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Science catches up to Buddhism and psychedelic insight.
    #28553555 - 11/23/23 05:59 AM (2 months, 4 days ago)



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Re: Science catches up to Buddhism and psychedelic insight. [Re: Neurotech]
    #28553593 - 11/23/23 06:47 AM (2 months, 4 days ago)

do you have a good link?
is this what you had in mind?
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/ideas/biocentrism-rethinking-time-space-consciousness-and-the-illusion-of-death-1.3789414

I think Lanza is a flake.


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Re: Science catches up to Buddhism and psychedelic insight. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28554572 - 11/24/23 01:58 AM (2 months, 3 days ago)

yes the mind is the electromagnetic and chemical matter in the brain
that is all we are
so we only see ourselves ever
when i see this screen that is matter in my brain
and it is me


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Re: Science catches up to Buddhism and psychedelic insight. [Re: Ferdinando]
    #28554688 - 11/24/23 06:46 AM (2 months, 3 days ago)

yes - it is you in the ocean of all of us.
not just you in the electrochemical response region of mental contents.

mental contents is always a mix of external stimuli (i.e. both not you, eg. outside your body, and you inside your flesh) AND perceptions from your memory (which is memory of both you and your impressions of the outside world which is not you)

Be careful about assuming things are all you. we are a mix, a process of mixing, and well equipped to take care of the garden in which we live.


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Re: Science catches up to Buddhism and psychedelic insight. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28554747 - 11/24/23 08:10 AM (2 months, 3 days ago)

What's your take on the non-dual belief that the boundary between outside/inside you is illusionary?


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Re: Science catches up to Buddhism and psychedelic insight. [Re: fractalFox]
    #28555489 - 11/24/23 09:57 PM (2 months, 2 days ago)

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What's your take on the non-dual belief that the boundary between outside/inside you is illusionary?



I am not sure about the particular non-dual belief you mean, however, my take is that in our minds, there is no separation, in fact, every memory engram is a mix of all mental contents of a mind moment (citta) ~1/10th of a second of experience - signals of which which come from within and without, and no mental content is 100% in-stuff or 100% outstuff.

even dreams, which are disconnected from live input of outstuff, are formed of the mix of the in and out mental contents that is saved in memory.


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Re: Science catches up to Buddhism and psychedelic insight. [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #28555992 - 11/25/23 12:38 PM (2 months, 1 day ago)



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Re: Science catches up to Buddhism and psychedelic insight. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28566693 - 12/03/23 12:16 PM (1 month, 24 days ago)

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redgreenvines said:
do you have a good link?
is this what you had in mind?
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/ideas/biocentrism-rethinking-time-space-consciousness-and-the-illusion-of-death-1.3789414

I think Lanza is a flake.





yES, THAT IS THE IDEA. mOST RECENTLY i CAME ACROSS THIS: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-consciousness-part-of-the-fabric-of-the-universe1/


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Re: Science catches up to Buddhism and psychedelic insight. [Re: Neurotech]
    #28566741 - 12/03/23 12:53 PM (1 month, 24 days ago)

ok then


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Re: Science catches up to Buddhism and psychedelic insight. [Re: fractalFox] * 1
    #28566803 - 12/03/23 01:49 PM (1 month, 24 days ago)

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What's your take on the non-dual belief that the boundary between outside/inside you is illusionary?



I believe this is true, but it is true only in the sense that there is no boundary in perception. There is an outside world, which we are part of, that is not what we call “me/us/I”. But for any one of us, all one’s perceptions are part of one’s being, and there is no boundary.

So what Ferdinando said is true if they’re just talking about their perception of the world, their consciousness.

That is my take on non-dualism at the moment.


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Re: Science catches up to Buddhism and psychedelic insight. [Re: Bardy]
    #28566883 - 12/03/23 02:57 PM (1 month, 24 days ago)

Things are not you. That is too easy.

Think about how irrelevant it is, for others to be you. Could it get more irrelevant? Could they?


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Re: Science catches up to Buddhism and psychedelic insight. [Re: lostintimenspc] * 1
    #28566898 - 12/03/23 03:08 PM (1 month, 24 days ago)

What is you? Where do you begin? Where do you end?


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Re: Science catches up to Buddhism and psychedelic insight. [Re: Bardy]
    #28566965 - 12/03/23 03:57 PM (1 month, 24 days ago)

The principle of these theories seem nonsensical to me. Junk religion masquerading as science.


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Re: Science catches up to Buddhism and psychedelic insight. [Re: Northerner]
    #28566988 - 12/03/23 04:09 PM (1 month, 24 days ago)

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The principle of these theories seem nonsensical to me. Junk religion masquerading as science.



which theories?
am I missing the thread of this?


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Re: Science catches up to Buddhism and psychedelic insight. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28567015 - 12/03/23 04:33 PM (1 month, 24 days ago)

I was referring to the two articles linked there about panpsychism etc and what it theorizes.


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Re: Science catches up to Buddhism and psychedelic insight. [Re: Northerner] * 1
    #28567025 - 12/03/23 04:37 PM (1 month, 24 days ago)

oh yeah, trendy mental vapor perhaps


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Re: Science catches up to Buddhism and psychedelic insight. [Re: Northerner]
    #28567082 - 12/03/23 05:15 PM (1 month, 24 days ago)

I tried to pick particular lines out of the articles to bring attention to, but it's basically every line in both of them that I would end up dissecting.

Like this nonsense.

“Physical science is, in principle, incapable of telling us the complete story.” Of the various alternatives that have been put forward, he says that “panpsychism is our best bet.”

Oh... so no one knows how life and consciousness came about, so his theory of how it happened must be the best. How about an omnipotent and omnipresent Spaghetti Monster? That seems like the best bet to me.

:facepalm:

Next he's gonna be starting "research" facilities and getting followers. Maybe start collecting money to further his teachings.


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Re: Science catches up to Buddhism and psychedelic insight. [Re: Northerner]
    #28567100 - 12/03/23 05:25 PM (1 month, 24 days ago)

it's about gambling obviously.
place your bets

I'd rather go with charity than gambling


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Re: Science catches up to Buddhism and psychedelic insight. [Re: Northerner]
    #28567428 - 12/03/23 08:00 PM (1 month, 24 days ago)

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The principle of these theories seem nonsensical to me. Junk religion masquerading as science.




The principle of panpsychism seems nonsensical how? I didn’t read those articles, and I’m sure there’s a lot of bullshit that surrounds it, and I know there is no real evidence to support it so saying it is the “best bet” is pretty silly. But I’m not sure how the basic principle of panpsychism is nonsensical. It’s just a vague hypothesis that consciousness might be a property of all matter that just becomes stronger or weaker in different configurations isn’t it? That’s what I thought it was anyway.

It’s seems like a vague hypothesis that they don’t know how to test to me. So yeah, it’s not a science at this point in time as far as I know.

How consciousness arises from matter is still a complete mystery. And at what point does it arise? We’re all made from inanimate matter… somehow inanimate matter + inanimate matter + …  = consciousness.


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Re: Science catches up to Buddhism and psychedelic insight. [Re: Northerner]
    #28567486 - 12/03/23 08:23 PM (1 month, 24 days ago)

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I was referring to the two articles linked there about panpsychism etc and what it theorizes.




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