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durian_2008
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Re: [AL] Teen had eight grams of marijuana, that resulted in deadly SWAT raid [Re: sonoramo]
#28554983 - 11/24/23 12:37 PM (2 months, 2 days ago) |
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B Traven said:
...I actually think this story IS all about race...
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sonoramo said: Well, that depends on how we understand "race," doesn't it?
The main reason I object to "all about race" is that this phrase so often reduces history, oppression and continuing human suffering in the present to a dumbed-down pseudo-global argument about a term that has (at best) constructed meaning.
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It creates a de facto state of emergency, under which, we are subjected to collective punishment.
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Re: [AL] Teen had eight grams of marijuana, that resulted in deadly SWAT raid [Re: B Traven]
#28555024 - 11/24/23 01:26 PM (2 months, 2 days ago) |
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Mainet2r12 said: You are entitled to believe that it is OK to pull a gun when someone is knocking your door down and yelling Police, and you may find yourself shot up. But that is pointless. Even if it were a robber, unless you are a professional thug who expects a hit, just let them take what they want. You can replace it, but you cannot replace your life dude.
The point is, the kid died because he pulled a gun on a cop. It has nothing to do with his race. Read up on the numbers for each race shot by police every year, and the number of cops shot and who done it.
The more you blame things on race, the more racial everyone becomes. The more we regards each individual as a sovereign person, responsible for their own actions and the content of their own mind, the less race matters. Simple.
Go to fucking North Dakota and start a militia or whatever, then.
The simple fact is that, as a white dude living in the northeast, I'm about a million times less likely to have a SWAT team serve a warrant over some bullshit than the people in this story. Or for that matter, to get pulled over in a pretextual traffic stop. So they're gonna have many, many more opportunities to make that sort of split-second life-or-death decision.
I'm not gonna apologize for accurately describing reality, or accept the premise that anything I may say or do rises to the same level of wrong as these fucking jackbooted pigs.
The truth is that the first time some bad-ass criminal beats you up, steals your stuff, runs you off the road or whatever, you’ll be calling the police and begging for help. Fools like you with big mouths and weak self esteem like to make everything a race argument cause you think its getting you social points, and of course you have to assume and complain that the police are nothing but jack booted thugs, cause that makes you a righteous dude, but it don’t. You will beg for their help.
By the way, you do know some latin, but you don’t understand its meaning. Ad Hominem, the logical fallacy, means to argue that “because X is a bad guy, everything he says is wrong”. And that is not what I did. I never said that you were wrong about anything because there is something flawed about you, I said that your argument (bringing in race as proof of anything) is flawed. I don't’ have to impeach you to impeach your flawed argument.
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Re: [AL] Teen had eight grams of marijuana, that resulted in deadly SWAT raid [Re: Fidelus] 2
#28555110 - 11/24/23 03:03 PM (2 months, 2 days ago) |
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Mainet2r12 said: Ad Hominem, the logical fallacy, means to argue that “because X is a bad guy, everything he says is wrong”. And that is not what I did. I never said that you were wrong about anything because there is something flawed about you, I said that your argument (bringing in race as proof of anything) is flawed. I don't’ have to impeach you to impeach your flawed argument.
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Mainet2r12 said: Look moron...
You started by calling him a moron, that is the definition of an ad hominem attack
"Ad hominem attacks can take the form of overtly attacking somebody, or more subtly casting doubt on their character or personal attributes as a way to discredit their argument"
By labeling him a moron, you're saying you will simply dismiss what he said because you believe his words aren't worthy of considering. It's a weak tactic used by people that aren't as sure of their beliefs as they wish they were
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Mainet2r12 said: The truth is that the first time some bad-ass criminal beats you up, steals your stuff, runs you off the road or whatever, you’ll be calling the police and begging for help. Fools like you with big mouths and weak self esteem like to make everything a race argument cause you think its getting you social points, and of course you have to assume and complain that the police are nothing but jack booted thugs, cause that makes you a righteous dude, but it don’t. You will beg for their help.
What kind of help do you think people beg police for in these situations? You get beat up, you go get medical care if needed. You call an ambulance if it's bad enough. You call police if you'd like to pursue charges which is not asking for help while being beat up The same goes for all of your other completely irrelevant hypotheticals. Police make no claims about preventing crimes. They are there to arrest people after a crime is committed
Your arguments are weak and you come across like a hot head that can't be bothered to think about ideas you don't already have.
Do you really think using words like moron, fools, weak, etc make your argument any better? I'll tell ya, they don't. They just make you look like an ass
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durian_2008
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Re: [AL] Teen had eight grams of marijuana, that resulted in deadly SWAT raid [Re: TheStallionMang]
#28555193 - 11/24/23 04:12 PM (2 months, 2 days ago) |
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The truth is that the first time some bad-ass criminal beats you up, steals your stuff, runs you off the road or whatever, you’ll be calling the police and begging for help.
The person who successfully defends himself under reverse prejudices will be deemed guilty of "mutual combat" and being the "primary aggressor".
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Re: [AL] Teen had eight grams of marijuana, that resulted in deadly SWAT raid [Re: sonoramo] 2
#28556204 - 11/25/23 04:21 PM (2 months, 1 day ago) |
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I'm white (dad's from Ireland) and I was arrested on my front porch steps 6 days before I turned 18.
Because I was in possession of 1 gram of marijuana. The cop showed up out of nowhere. It was said that someone was seen with drugs, but it wasn't me, because I walked back to my place without even being near anyone and I didn't have anything in my hands.
The braindead psychopaths gave me a year of probation, with 1 or 2 drug tests a week, which costed $35 each. Never failed any of the drug tests, and never cheated on any of them. The cop was some fat white guy.
It's been pretty obvious that... people who speak truth get attacked by psychopaths who are hiding who they really are, and how they really feel. The decrease in the overall health of the population has led to an increasaed desire for material possessions. I'm not saying that I'm happy having nothing except something that is basically imaginary which stimulates dopamine, but even someone with the tiniest bit of common sense... would know that there is no reason whatsoever... for humanity to have the problems that it has... None... and I don't get people who say that you should just focus on your own life... it's exactly that kind of mentality that is a problem. People being selfish sociopaths who prioritize making money over anything else... when there is a better way. The reason that it just continues, and continues getting worse, is because, they... will... make... you... suffer... and if they can't, they... will... kill... you.
This post is entirely fictional and bears no resemblance to reality in any way, shape, or form and should not be taken seriously. It is only for the purpose of consideration and imagination.
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Re: [AL] Teen had eight grams of marijuana, that resulted in deadly SWAT raid [Re: thirtygoats] 1
#28556313 - 11/25/23 05:40 PM (2 months, 1 day ago) |
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thirtygoats said: I'm white (dad's from Ireland) and I was arrested on my front porch steps 6 days before I turned 18.
Because I was in possession of 1 gram of marijuana. The cop showed up out of nowhere. It was said that someone was seen with drugs, but it wasn't me, because I walked back to my place without even being near anyone and I didn't have anything in my hands.
The braindead psychopaths gave me a year of probation, with 1 or 2 drug tests a week, which costed $35 each. Never failed any of the drug tests, and never cheated on any of them. The cop was some fat white guy.
I bet you learned your lesson and stayed away from the jazz cabbage after that
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Re: [AL] Teen had eight grams of marijuana, that resulted in deadly SWAT raid [Re: thirtygoats] 1
#28556314 - 11/25/23 05:40 PM (2 months, 1 day ago) |
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EMT's saved me from police that would have killed me.
There is no excuse for the behavior of the officers or officials in the case of this story. Although realistically they will get away with it, I hope at the very least the family is able to win a civil suit against the officers and officials and hit them right in their wallets.
I'm Irish. My family has been enslaved and abused for thousands of years now. I feel for anybody who is abused by authoritarianism. Family members publicly killed and left to rot as an example of the crowns rule, family raped and murdered, family enslaved and displaced. Language and culture nearly completely lost.
There is indeed a massive race issue going on with this story which is undeniable. It is shameful and sad and my heart pours for the family.
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Re: [AL] Teen had eight grams of marijuana, that resulted in deadly SWAT raid [Re: Nichrome]
#28556993 - 11/26/23 10:04 AM (2 months, 12 hours ago) |
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I was almost taken from my (working) parents over a couple of charred seeds and roach clips.
On the school bus, I was told not to talk to my friends about weird stuff that was happening to them, while the were being institutionalized, at the end of the same street where I lived.
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