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[AL] Teen had eight grams of marijuana, that resulted in deadly SWAT raid * 2
    #28552232 - 11/21/23 10:05 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

Teen had eight grams of marijuana, that resulted in deadly SWAT raid
November 21, 2023 - Fox10 News

MOBILE, AL - FOX10 News has uncovered how much marijuana Mobile police officers allegedly found after a deadly, pre-dawn, SWAT raid last week.

16-year-old Randall Adjessom was shot and killed after police say he pointed a weapon at officers.

Police were actually there looking for Deangelo Adjessom on drug charges.

According to new court documents, Deangelo was in possession of eight grams of marijuana.

Court documents also show he had a digital scale.

During a press conference last week, Mobile Police Chief Paul Prine spoke briefly about what brought his officers there.

“I don’t know what was found in the home is of huge significance. What you have to understand was that probable cause was developed,” Chief Prine said. “During this past week that would show that there was distribution of marijuana and not simply possession of it.”

The raid was carried out Monday morning at a home on Sheringham Drive.

Chief Prine says the teen pointed a laser-sighted pistol at officers, and one officer opened fire.

Police were looking for Deangelo Adjessom on charges of drug possession and distribution.

Something that didn’t sit well with some city council members.

“On a marijuana warrant? Come on! Do you know how many states right now are making marijuana legal? Legal! On a marijuana warrant,” District 2 Council Member William Carroll said.

Carroll along with several other city council members expressed their frustration with why the raid even happened.

This is the second Mobile police SWAT raid this year that left someone dead, who was unrelated to the search warrant.

“The 16-year-old kid that was killed yesterday was not even the kid we were looking for,” Carroll said. “That makes this a thousand times worse. It wasn’t like somebody killed somebody, but we entered that place like we were going to find a murderer!”

Mayor Sandy Stimpson has ordered a temporary halt to pre-dawn raids except in extraordinary circumstances.

Mayor Stimpson has also asked Kenyen Brown, the former U.S. Attorney in Mobile, to conduct a review of the department’s policies and training.

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Re: [AL] Teen had eight grams of marijuana, that resulted in deadly SWAT raid [Re: veggie] * 4
    #28552606 - 11/22/23 09:37 AM (5 months, 23 days ago)

I live in California, and I sometimes travel to Alabama on business. You'd have to watch the video to see that the following people are white:

  • Police Chief Prine
  • Most of the Mobile City Council
  • All the uniformed police officers in the video


And the following people are black:

  • The dead teenager.
  • The "drug dealer" in possession of 8g of something. Some unknown fraction of his something contained cannabis product.
  • Council Member William Carroll (who objected to this killing).
  • Mayor Sandy Stimpson, who ordered a temporary halt to pre-dawn raids.


And the following person, though profoundly saddened by the news, is not the least bit surprised by any of this:

  • Sonoramo.

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Re: [AL] Teen had eight grams of marijuana, that resulted in deadly SWAT raid [Re: sonoramo] * 2
    #28552674 - 11/22/23 10:50 AM (5 months, 23 days ago)

Thanks for making it all about race pal…. This had nothing to do with pointing a pistol at an officer, presumably intending to shoot him.

Look moron, in all but a few states virtually everything discussed here is illegal.  That’s a fact.  Now get out there and collect signature to put legalization on the ballot. AND, for Chrissake, if you get busted just put your friggen hands up and surrender.  The battle moves into the courtroom and everyone stays alive to participate.

Drop the race bullshit..


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Re: [AL] Teen had eight grams of marijuana, that resulted in deadly SWAT raid [Re: Fidelus] * 3
    #28552715 - 11/22/23 11:40 AM (5 months, 23 days ago)

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Thanks for making it all about race pal…. This had nothing to do with pointing a pistol at an officer, presumably intending to shoot him.

Look moron, in all but a few states virtually everything discussed here is illegal.  That’s a fact.  Now get out there and collect signature to put legalization on the ballot. AND, for Chrissake, if you get busted just put your friggen hands up and surrender.  The battle moves into the courtroom and everyone stays alive to participate.

Drop the race bullshit..




Drop the ad hominem attack bullshit.

This was 100% about race. Your comments clearly indicate that you either know nothing about law enforcement and politics in the deep south, enjoy the taste of boot polish, or both.

I think you took a wrong turn on the way to whatever alt-right website you were headed to.

Or maybe you just think that people will help you grow felony drugs while also agreeing with your awful hot-takes regarding the war on said drugs.


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Re: [AL] Teen had eight grams of marijuana, that resulted in deadly SWAT raid [Re: sonoramo]
    #28552723 - 11/22/23 11:45 AM (5 months, 23 days ago)

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sonoramo said:
I live in California, and I sometimes travel to Alabama on business. You'd have to watch the video to see that the following people are white:

  • Police Chief Prine
  • Most of the Mobile City Council
  • All the uniformed police officers in the video


And the following people are black:

  • The dead teenager.
  • The "drug dealer" in possession of 8g of something. Some unknown fraction of his something contained cannabis product.
  • Council Member William Carroll (who objected to this killing).
  • Mayor Sandy Stimpson, who ordered a temporary halt to pre-dawn raids.


And the following person, though profoundly saddened by the news, is not the least bit surprised by any of this:

  • Sonoramo.





Thank you for pointing all that out. I'd pretty much suspected as much...


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Re: [AL] Teen had eight grams of marijuana, that resulted in deadly SWAT raid [Re: Fidelus] * 2
    #28552755 - 11/22/23 12:13 PM (5 months, 23 days ago)

I paused before clicking "Ok, submit" on that post because I knew that some people would respond the way you did. And I decided I'm OK with the fact of responses like yours.

While I agree that the story is not "all about race," I didn't say that, and I stand by my observation. Black people are among the most vulnerable among us to excessive enforcement like this SWAT party. They've been the canary in the coal mine, the ones who show us what can happen to any of us who will not buy into the mainstream's expectations for how minds or societies should work.

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Re: [AL] Teen had eight grams of marijuana, that resulted in deadly SWAT raid [Re: sonoramo]
    #28552789 - 11/22/23 12:32 PM (5 months, 23 days ago)

I wanted to say, which is the greater, social cost:


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I live in California, and I sometimes travel to Alabama on business. You'd have to watch the video to see that the following people are white...




My experience as a passably "white" person in southern California is being on the receiving end of reverse prejudices, particularly when the authorities are colored and laying it on thick.

No disrespect is intended toward present company, because I would like to think that anyone participating in a psychedelics forum has some notions of "cognitive liberty".

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Re: [AL] Teen had eight grams of marijuana, that resulted in deadly SWAT raid [Re: sonoramo] * 2
    #28552794 - 11/22/23 12:35 PM (5 months, 23 days ago)


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I paused before clicking "Ok, submit" on that post because I knew that some people would respond the way you did. And I decided I'm OK with the fact of responses like yours.

While I agree that the story is not "all about race," I didn't say that, and I stand by my observation. Black people are among the most vulnerable among us to excessive enforcement like this SWAT party. They've been the canary in the coal mine, the ones who show us what can happen to any of us who will not buy into the mainstream's expectations for how minds or societies should work.




I'm gonna go ahead and push back on your attempt to ameliorate there.

I actually think this story IS all about race.

Serving a no-knock warrant over a 1/4 of bud and a gram scale, and then lighting up a 16-year-old boy in the process, is absolutely about all the racist policies and tropes that the former slave-catchers in Alabama live and breathe.

And the fact that local politicians and community leaders are horrified that this could happen over a little bit of weed is also absolutely par for the course in southern racial politics.


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Re: [AL] Teen had eight grams of marijuana, that resulted in deadly SWAT raid [Re: durian_2008] * 3
    #28552800 - 11/22/23 12:39 PM (5 months, 23 days ago)

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I paused before clicking "Ok, submit" on that post because I knew that some people would respond the way you did. And I decided I'm OK with the fact of responses like yours.

While I agree that the story is not "all about race," I didn't say that, and I stand by my observation. Black people are among the most vulnerable among us to excessive enforcement like this SWAT party. They've been the canary in the coal mine, the ones who show us what can happen to any of us who will not buy into the mainstream's expectations for how minds or societies should work.



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I wanted to say, which is the greater, social cost:


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sonoramo said:
I live in California, and I sometimes travel to Alabama on business. You'd have to watch the video to see that the following people are white...




My experience as a passably "white" person in southern California is being on the receiving end of reverse prejudices, particularly when the authorities are colored and laying it on thick.

No disrespect is intended toward present company, because I would like to think that anyone participating in a psychedelics forum has some notions of "cognitive liberty".




I grew up white in an area where similar things could sometimes happen.

Nothing prepared me for the horrors I witnessed when I moved to the deep south. Nor how quickly people would either be ready to invite me to a Klan rally, or cut me off when it became apparent that I wasn't on board with that shit.

If you haven't seen it in person, it can be hard to believe how casual and out in the open this shit is.


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Re: [AL] Teen had eight grams of marijuana, that resulted in deadly SWAT raid [Re: B Traven]
    #28552823 - 11/22/23 01:04 PM (5 months, 23 days ago)

One of my grandparents had emigrated from a European shithole country and was taken in by Mexicans. There is this culture shock, where they don't even know how to buy food at the store and cook it. This was also my first solid food. I can translate the braceros, when they go from speaking Spanish to speaking Mexican.

We can cross certain streets and see exactly where that red line has been drawn. And, if not, they are vocal and confrontational and call the police on us.

There were a few years, when I think all the police on this beat knew my name, from repeated encounters, tbh.

I can get along with the ones who raise goats for tamales and barter tree fruit with me and  might defend their daughter's honor, if they are that kind.

Where there are shit tons of broken booze bottles and skidmarks in donuts... :shrug:

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Re: [AL] Teen had eight grams of marijuana, that resulted in deadly SWAT raid [Re: veggie] * 5
    #28553390 - 11/22/23 10:55 PM (5 months, 23 days ago)

Regardless of anything else, an innocent 16 year old is dead. I just don't want that to get lost in all this other stuff.

Innocent, 16, dead. He didn't even have any weed.

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Re: [AL] Teen had eight grams of marijuana, that resulted in deadly SWAT raid [Re: Fidelus] * 2
    #28553418 - 11/22/23 11:47 PM (5 months, 23 days ago)

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Thanks for making it all about race pal…. This had nothing to do with pointing a pistol at an officer, presumably intending to shoot him.

Look moron, in all but a few states virtually everything discussed here is illegal.  That’s a fact.  Now get out there and collect signature to put legalization on the ballot. AND, for Chrissake, if you get busted just put your friggen hands up and surrender.  The battle moves into the courtroom and everyone stays alive to participate.

Drop the race bullshit..




The tension in the scenario was needlessly created. They could've done a daytime search. A no-knock raid is almost the same as a break-in from the homeowner's perspective. The police tactics are what trigger fight or flight - and scenarios like this.

The question is, why was a no-knock raid, such an extreme tactic, being conducted over a bit of marijuana? And I see no justification at all for that, other than cops desiring to use violence for fun. They could've easily confronted this kid with 8 grams of cannabis with two officers and a calmly-served warrant. They instead bust the door down on a petty charge. And that is where I could see race factoring in - are they just as likely to do the same thing if it were a white kid with 8 grams? I'd have to look at the data on no-knock to evaluate that question.

I don't put all the blame on someone whose only crime is to take arms up against home invaders, though. If it is a no-knock warrant a person has no way of verifying who these armed men are - they are actually responding to a home invasion. And many in this country say that they have guns to kill home invaders. And if someone breaks into your home and yells they are police, do you really have assurance that they are? And did they even have time to identify themselves before shooting him?

Even if he knew they were cops a no-knock warrant creates a life-or-death scenario for those in the home, and this makes it hard to be rational. Sometimes instinct takes over and one simply cannot think clearly when they are under threat. For this reason a no-knock raid is a deadly dangerous practice that basically creates these scenarios entirely. The only crime I could see ever justifying it would be suspicion of murder in progress - anything else, and there's no reason they can't just knock with two officers and no guns drawn.

The question is why they need to come into a home and threaten with deadly violence merely over 8 grams of cannabis.

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Re: [AL] Teen had eight grams of marijuana, that resulted in deadly SWAT raid [Re: CreonAntigone] * 3
    #28553609 - 11/23/23 07:08 AM (5 months, 23 days ago)

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Thanks for making it all about race pal…. This had nothing to do with pointing a pistol at an officer, presumably intending to shoot him.

Look moron, in all but a few states virtually everything discussed here is illegal.  That’s a fact.  Now get out there and collect signature to put legalization on the ballot. AND, for Chrissake, if you get busted just put your friggen hands up and surrender.  The battle moves into the courtroom and everyone stays alive to participate.

Drop the race bullshit..




The tension in the scenario was needlessly created. They could've done a daytime search. A no-knock raid is almost the same as a break-in from the homeowner's perspective. The police tactics are what trigger fight or flight - and scenarios like this.

The question is, why was a no-knock raid, such an extreme tactic, being conducted over a bit of marijuana? And I see no justification at all for that, other than cops desiring to use violence for fun. They could've easily confronted this kid with 8 grams of cannabis with two officers and a calmly-served warrant. They instead bust the door down on a petty charge. And that is where I could see race factoring in - are they just as likely to do the same thing if it were a white kid with 8 grams? I'd have to look at the data on no-knock to evaluate that question.

I don't put all the blame on someone whose only crime is to take arms up against home invaders, though. If it is a no-knock warrant a person has no way of verifying who these armed men are - they are actually responding to a home invasion. And many in this country say that they have guns to kill home invaders. And if someone breaks into your home and yells they are police, do you really have assurance that they are? And did they even have time to identify themselves before shooting him?

Even if he knew they were cops a no-knock warrant creates a life-or-death scenario for those in the home, and this makes it hard to be rational. Sometimes instinct takes over and one simply cannot think clearly when they are under threat. For this reason a no-knock raid is a deadly dangerous practice that basically creates these scenarios entirely. The only crime I could see ever justifying it would be suspicion of murder in progress - anything else, and there's no reason they can't just knock with two officers and no guns drawn.

The question is why they need to come into a home and threaten with deadly violence merely over 8 grams of cannabis.





You are entitled to believe that it is OK to pull a gun when someone is knocking your door down and yelling Police, and you may find yourself shot up.  But that is pointless.  Even if it were a robber, unless you are a professional thug who expects a hit, just let them take what they want.  You can replace it, but you cannot replace your life dude.

The point is, the kid died because he pulled a gun on a cop.  It has nothing to do with his race.  Read up on the numbers for each race shot by police every year, and the number of cops shot and who done it.

The more you blame things on race, the more racial everyone becomes.  The more we regards each individual as a sovereign person, responsible for their own actions and the content of their own mind, the less race matters.  Simple.


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Re: [AL] Teen had eight grams of marijuana, that resulted in deadly SWAT raid [Re: Fidelus] * 2
    #28553764 - 11/23/23 09:19 AM (5 months, 23 days ago)

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Thanks for making it all about race pal




This is the world in which you live. People do that.


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You are entitled to believe that it is OK to pull a gun when someone is knocking your door down and yelling Police




Did they yell that?

Everyone is supposed to be operating under an assumption of lawful behavior regardless of who is the majority demographic and regardless of whomever is under the imaginary color of authority.

You have further confounded the argument about what is a civilized behavior by placing the state interest versus the private interest under a version of class warfare.

Anyone can assume the color of authority and play the part of bad cop.

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Re: [AL] Teen had eight grams of marijuana, that resulted in deadly SWAT raid [Re: veggie] * 2
    #28554176 - 11/23/23 04:09 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

Everything is abt race in AL , ive experienced it myself. No fun @ all


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Re: [AL] Teen had eight grams of marijuana, that resulted in deadly SWAT raid [Re: oursoulsinmotion] * 2
    #28554305 - 11/23/23 06:39 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

durian 2008, just one question, if the cops break down your door are you gonna pull a gun?


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Re: [AL] Teen had eight grams of marijuana, that resulted in deadly SWAT raid [Re: Fidelus]
    #28554877 - 11/24/23 10:50 AM (5 months, 21 days ago)

Don't ask me question that sound like legal entrapment. Thx. :super:

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    #28554907 - 11/24/23 11:22 AM (5 months, 21 days ago)

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...I actually think this story IS all about race...





Well, that depends on how we understand "race," doesn't it?

The main reason I object to "all about race" is that this phrase so often reduces history, oppression and continuing human suffering in the present to a dumbed-down pseudo-global argument about a term that has (at best) constructed meaning.

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    #28554914 - 11/24/23 11:31 AM (5 months, 21 days ago)

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B Traven said:

...I actually think this story IS all about race...





Well, that depends on how we understand "race," doesn't it?

The main reason I object to "all about race" is that this phrase so often reduces history, oppression and continuing human suffering in the present to a dumbed-down pseudo-global argument about a term that has (at best) constructed meaning.

$0.02




Well, yeah, duh.

But globally speaking, yes, an Alabama SWAT team kicking someone's door in over their head stash is almost certainly about racial politics. As is said SWAT team lighting up a 16 year old with zero hesitation.


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    #28554917 - 11/24/23 11:34 AM (5 months, 21 days ago)

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You are entitled to believe that it is OK to pull a gun when someone is knocking your door down and yelling Police, and you may find yourself shot up.  But that is pointless.  Even if it were a robber, unless you are a professional thug who expects a hit, just let them take what they want.  You can replace it, but you cannot replace your life dude.

The point is, the kid died because he pulled a gun on a cop.  It has nothing to do with his race.  Read up on the numbers for each race shot by police every year, and the number of cops shot and who done it.

The more you blame things on race, the more racial everyone becomes.  The more we regards each individual as a sovereign person, responsible for their own actions and the content of their own mind, the less race matters.  Simple.




Go to fucking North Dakota and start a militia or whatever, then.

The simple fact is that, as a white dude living in the northeast, I'm about a million times less likely to have a SWAT team serve a warrant over some bullshit than the people in this story. Or for that matter, to get pulled over in a pretextual traffic stop. So they're gonna have many, many more opportunities to make that sort of split-second life-or-death decision.

I'm not gonna apologize for accurately describing reality, or accept the premise that anything I may say or do rises to the same level of wrong as these fucking jackbooted pigs.


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