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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
    #28582494 - 12/14/23 11:25 AM (1 month, 13 days ago)

I think this is more a matter of understanding/perspective than authenticity.

and also comes in shades of gray rather than black or white

i see two aspects in your comments. One is self centeredness  vs say whole centeredness. The other is your understanding of the world. If someone really believes in eternal torture, trying to save people from that sounds like a sane, authentic and nobel cause.


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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: blessed]
    #28604415 - 12/31/23 10:00 AM (27 days, 21 hours ago)

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Lastly to call the Bible and it's message (or the sharing of it) as terrorism is an very interesting take on where you stand concerning the Bible.  First of all, no one is holding a gun to your head saying believe or you're dead.





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RTS begins in toxic religious environments centered around two basic narratives: "You are not okay" and "You are not safe."[6] These ideas are often enforced by theology such as the doctrines of original sin and hell.[6]

The development of RTS can be compared to the development of Complex PTSD, defined as a psychological disorder that can develop in response to prolonged, repeated experience of interpersonal trauma in a context in which the individual has little or no chance of escape. Symptoms of RTS are a natural response to the perceived existence of a violent, all-powerful God who finds humans inherently defective, along with regular exposure to religious leaders who use the threat of eternal death, unredeemable life, demon possession and many other frightening ideas to control religious devotion and the submission of group members.[1]

Members of the LGBTQIA+ community are at particular risk of RTS and C-PTSD as they attempt, over an extended period of time, to alter their sexual orientation and gender identity to fit the expectations of authoritarian religious communities. The process of attempting to alter one's orientation can create emotionally abusive thought patterns that are prone to exacerbate the C-PTSD-like symptoms of RTS. Chronically living in fear of eternal damnation and lifelong separation from loved ones and religious communities if they fail to comply with sexual identity restrictions can induce long-term symptoms of RTS.[7][8]

Leaving
Leaving a controlling religious community, while often experienced as liberating and exciting, can be experienced as a major traumatic event. Religious communities often serve as the foundation for individuals' lives, providing social support, a coherent worldview, a sense of meaning and purpose, and social and emotional satisfaction. Leaving behind all those resources goes beyond a significant loss; it calls on the individual to completely reconstruct their reality, often while newly isolated from the help and support of family and friends who stay in the religion.[3][9][10]

In addition, when violent or threatening theology, such as a belief in hell, divine punishment, demons, and an evil "outside world," have been incorporated into the basic structure of an individual's worldview, the threats of engaging the outside world instead of remaining in the safe bubble of the controlling religious community can induce further anxiety.[1][7][9]

As individuals identify the harm they are experiencing in authoritarian religious settings, their concerns may be minimized by the religious group itself, but they can also be compounded by society's investment in positive views of religion.[3] Institutional betrayal, first at the hands of beloved religious communities, second at the hands of a world that upholds the utility of religion rather than the experiences of religious abuse survivors, can make symptoms of RTS worse.[3] People leaving religion can experience extreme hostility from their former co-religionists.[11]




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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: loladoreen]
    #28604421 - 12/31/23 10:05 AM (27 days, 20 hours ago)

My grandmother had borderline and was split within herself the good and bad parts, and she totally identified with catholicism, was terrified of the devil. I wonder how much that fear made her split within herself.

She put that on her children, and it was really harmful.


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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: durian_2008]
    #28604661 - 12/31/23 02:14 PM (27 days, 16 hours ago)

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I think that it's evil to inflict moral injury on others, by posing hypothetical moral dilemmas, ad infinitum, so take a revisionist approach to social justice narratives.

I find that normies typically like to virtue signal, venally, to put their typical moral compass on display.

The reprobates and nihilists like to posit no-win situations, to show everyone their hopelessness, bonding by commiseration. There is no way to honor the line of inquiry without accepting some kind of imaginary loss.

I don't feel that way.





good points, how to be free of all that?


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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 2
    #28604785 - 12/31/23 03:56 PM (27 days, 15 hours ago)

I think as long as one identifies with their beliefs, they will feel threatened when those beliefs are challenged....


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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: blessed] * 2
    #28622372 - 01/15/24 04:19 PM (12 days, 14 hours ago)

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Please stop blaming the God of the Bible for the things dumb, stupid, 2-faced c@nts, lying, sick, depraved, evil sacks of poops (aka people/humans) do!!!!!!





I was responding to this statement :

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First of all, no one is holding a gun to your head saying believe or you're dead.




My point was that things aren't all one way. I've met a lot of people, especially Catholics, that had various degrees of trauma because of the way their families but beliefs on them.

The idea of the devil terrifies a lot of people. For a long time the idea of hell was so absurd to me I didn't think anyone could actually believe in it, but it was people who were terrified and shared their terror with me that convinced me they actually did believe.

There is nothing innately good or bad about squiggles of ink on paper bound together in a book, how those squiggles are interpreted and how that interpretation affects people that's important. This also can't be separated from all the other aspects of the religion and culture, in terms of main stream religion.

Over the centuries the bible has been interpreted in many different ways and used to justify or vilify many different things.


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