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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 2
    #28591601 - 12/20/23 04:24 PM (1 month, 7 days ago)

Saints by definition work miracles.

Priests may just be members of the worlds oldest book club whose main pastime is asking for money.

At least with organized religion one has a choice in terms of the callings, which are related to social functions and the organizations needs.

I'm neither a Saint, nor  Priest, but am deeply religious.
I don't pursue nor desire reward, nor fear punishment. 
I don't even teach my religion to others.
It's private.

I occasionally discuss aspects of my religiosity and the related content with others, but rarely and never in great detail.

Let the divine initiate those who are meant to be initiated, it needs no human representative nor spokesperson and my understanding is that it never calls people to speak for it, because it can speak for itself.

It's easy to convert people to belief patters using their fear and avarice. Organized religion excels at this no? But they fail at the spiritual matters and so end up working very hard to label anything outside of their teachings and claims as a form of heresy that should be exterminated and extinguished. This is why those who are called typically hide themselves and do not speak of their faith and practice. They even adopt the symbolism of their oppressors to do this.


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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: durian_2008]
    #28604483 - 12/31/23 10:54 AM (27 days, 20 hours ago)

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durian_2008 said:
Christians believe that the kingdom of God is within a person.



I don't see too many people today who believe that, but it is a correct reading of Christian teachings in my opinion. A lot of them misunderstand that stuff and make it into a claim about a magic eternal kingdom in an afterlife.


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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28604566 - 12/31/23 12:13 PM (27 days, 18 hours ago)

Any God that would damn an unbaptized child to an eternity of torture is an evil God.
Anyone who serves such a God serves evil.


God cannot commit an act that would be evil if done by others and make it righteous just because God is the one doing it. It doesn't work that way.

Anyone with a pure heart who is not an idiot knows this without question.


Edited by Nillion (12/31/23 12:16 PM)


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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: blessed] * 1
    #28622073 - 01/15/24 11:38 AM (12 days, 19 hours ago)

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blessed said:
Now for my second point, there is nowhere in the Bible that parents are instructed to treat their children in a, bad , abusive , demeaning , fear based ("you're going to hell if you don't eat your vegetables") , with verbal or physical attacks, or by treating them like scum.




Deuteronomy 21:18-21

Quote:

If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.




It literally says that if your kid is not obedient then take them before the elders and make false accusations about them being gluttons and drunkards so that they will be stoned to death.

The Bible is so fucked when it comes to parenting that it's not even funny.

The loyalty test of telling Abraham to kill his son is an example of that.

And then you have to realize it comes from Judaism, which traditionally is NOT child friendly. Find any copy of the Babylonian Talmud and look up Mishnah Niddah 5:4. It's about how a man can become betrothed to female child who is 3 years and one day old by having sex with her. If she is younger than this, it says it doesn't count, same  if she doesn't bleed.

Both the Bible and Judaism treat children horrifically.

The exception to this are the Teachings of Jesus, but he was baptized a Mandaean, he wasn't a practitioner of Judaism in any way shape or form. He abandoned it quite early in his life when he was in Egypt. In fact his family had a Rabbi traveling with them when this occurred and in the Talmud, again, they talk shit on him for this and say he became a brick-worshiper. His teachings have nothing to do with Judaism.

In fact, in the Bible there is a quote about what he actually thought about Judaism. It is John 8:44-45:

Quote:

You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me.





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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28622227 - 01/15/24 01:59 PM (12 days, 17 hours ago)

I always hint that I have more but don't share it. Well, I'm sharing a bit of the life of Jesus now. Here's a synopsis of the real story:

In some other ancient texts and accounts, which Catholics used to murder people for having after the vote at Nicaea, the story of the man we call Jesus today is very different.

Jesus’ mother was in the line of hereditary succession for both the throne of Judea and the position of high priest. She was also betrothed to a man from an early age, she was not given a choice in this.

When she was young, she fell in love with a man and had a child with him. This man was not the one she was betrothed to.  According to Judaic law she was to be stoned to death while pregnant. She knew that forcing little girls to marry people was wrong and that there is no sin in love. This is why it is said she bore Jesus without sin. Not because she never had sex or because he was half deity, but because there is no sin in a woman determining the course of her own life. Judaism historically,  however, says otherwise.

A man was trying to gain control of Judea by marrying into the royal family. He sought to have all the male heirs to the throne killed, this allowed him to marry a woman from the royal line and it was his hope that this would legitimize his rule over Judea in the mind of the people, who were mainly Jews. His name was Herod.  The woman we call Mary had already gone into hiding when pregnant and had concealed that there was a child. That was until three men entered the kingdom asking where the kid was, not because the saw a magic star that guided them, but because they heard from other human beings about how she had given birth and her son was legitimately in both the line of royal succession and in the line of the high priest succession. Herod was furious because this child had been hidden from him and he sent people out to kill the kid. This caused the family to go to Egypt. It was there in Alexandria that Jesus was initiated into the scribal tradition and learned to read and write, among other things.

And get this, she ended up marrying the guy she was betrothed to in the end and he was like a father to Jesus and considered his wife without sin. He wasn’t a bad guy at all.

Eventually Herod died and they returned thinking things were cool. Jesus became a Nazarene, which is the name of the Mandaean priests. This is why he was called Jesus of Nazarus.  The title meant literally that he was a priest of that religion, baptized by John the Baptist. Eventually Jesus went out teaching and developed an enormous following, he was very intelligent and kind and well loved. He also preached things like forgiveness, which is basically blasphemy to old school Judaism. When his travels took him to Jerusalem he caught the attention of the authorities and he was identified as the son of his mother, he was considered living proof of her adultery. In Jerusalem he had few followers and the Jews captured him and brought him to Pilate and Pilate found him innocent of any crimes.  However the Pharisees were furious, they bribed Pilate with 30 pieces of silver and he turned Jesus over to them. They stoned him to death and then hung his body on a cross shaped like an X, Pilate was disgusted and knowing that Jesus was literally Judaic royalty had his soldiers put a sign on the corpse that said basically “this is what Jews do to their Kings” and the Jews kept taking the sign down and Pilate kept having his guys put one back up. Then the corpse disappeared and was never seen again.

This was so horrific, brutal and evil that it caused a massive political movement that totally changed Judea and Jerusalem, not that long after his murder the number of followers Jesus had vastly increased. There were several sects, but eventually as a way to control the political issue Rome converted to Christianity by renaming all things Roman as Christian and then making it punishable by death to practice any other form of Christianity. This happened under Constantine, who after his so called conversion killed far more Christians than he did when he was a pagan. Rome kept the same location, rites, days of worship and more of their Pagan ways. They changed the doctrine to reflect the Roman pagan claim that Gods mate with humans and made Jesus a new form of Hercules.
Eventually we get to Nicaea and the Nicene Creed when the neopagan Catholics voted on what they thought was true in regard to Jesus and came up with the version we have in the bible today.

I know more about this than any Christian I have ever met, because they just assume the Bible is true and don’t look for other accounts and records of the life of Jesus and his mother. 

And as for Q source, Tatianus didn’t combine the synoptics into a harmony, that was the original work, it had 3 perspectives together in one tale and then later to flesh the material out more they were separated into 3 books, which were 80% verbatim because of their origin. Justin, Tatianus’ teacher, wrote the book we call John. The rest were Pauline inventions from later.  I’ve thought about writing about this, but I keep a lot to myself and just keep learning.  This isn’t even the detailed version of these events. There are more details and aspects, like about the trial where Pilate found Jesus innocent before the bribe.

Christ taught salvation through good conduct, he never taught that he was magically going to make it so that sinners who accepted him as master were immune from the consequences of sin. He also never taught that he was the son of the God of the Jews. That’s all stuff that came later from organized religion that perverted his teachings into a way to control people and make money from them while doing it.

Christians today think that we know almost nothing about the life of Jesus Christ, but that isn’t true, they just reject the truth because it doesn’t fit their magical narrative of a Jewish God making his son a human sacrifice for the good of all mankind.

At least, this is what I've learned about the matter through years of study. I'm not sharing this synopsis here to offend Christians, Jews or Catholics, but so that people have a chance to hear the historically accurate account rather than the one told by religions that want their money. Naturally, I've not written of this in public before and may even delete this post at some point. I generally keep things like this private out of respect for the beliefs of others but perhaps some here can appreciate that Jesus was real, he isn't made up, but the real story is far more fucked up and sad than the bible version is.

Anyway, if this offends you feel free to add me to your ignore list.


Edited by Nillion (01/16/24 07:56 AM)


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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28622246 - 01/15/24 02:13 PM (12 days, 16 hours ago)

Incidentally the synoptic gospels were based on accounts of Jesus' teachings (logoi) and life and though they were messed up by the Catholics they still contain some direct teachings such as the two christian commandments and more. Much of the sermon on the Mount contains actual teachings of Jesus, though not every word is accurate.


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