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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: Freedom]
#28583175 - 12/14/23 08:53 PM (1 month, 13 days ago) |
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The problem with the 'Great Commission' of missionaries coming to everyone's house and proselytizing them, is numerous passages about predestination / foreordainment in which prophets and blood feuds would be known from the womb and even when the foundations of the Earth were laid.
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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: durian_2008]
#28583183 - 12/14/23 08:57 PM (1 month, 13 days ago) |
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Unrepentant people could suffer terrible curses. They could recover. They could change from their evil ways. Or, have some vision without any missionary or pastor, because no medium or intermediary or intercessor is needed between mankind and God.
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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: GenesisCorrupted] 1
#28583187 - 12/14/23 09:00 PM (1 month, 13 days ago) |
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GenesisCorrupted said: You’re right.
 You shouldn’t go to someone and tell them they’re going to suffer because they don’t believe the same thing as you.
Regardless of our politics, there is still such a thing as being objectively evil...
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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: durian_2008]
#28583194 - 12/14/23 09:07 PM (1 month, 13 days ago) |
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"that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse" -- from Romans 1
"...not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another..." -- from Romans 2
This says you know right from wrong. Is that true?
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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: durian_2008]
#28583224 - 12/14/23 09:31 PM (1 month, 13 days ago) |
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Have you been naughty or nice?
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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
#28583232 - 12/14/23 09:36 PM (1 month, 13 days ago) |
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You've really never missed a beat, never once felt sorry for anything you have ever done? I thought you have a conscience.
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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
#28583703 - 12/15/23 09:46 AM (1 month, 12 days ago) |
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GenesisCorrupted said: mistakes made
Did you feel guilty as a matter of indoctrination?
Or, were you born with a conscience?
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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: durian_2008]
#28583719 - 12/15/23 09:57 AM (1 month, 12 days ago) |
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durian_2008 said: were you born with a conscience?
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blessed said: you are still a sinner.
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GenesisCorrupted said:

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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: GenesisCorrupted] 1
#28583758 - 12/15/23 10:19 AM (1 month, 12 days ago) |
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There are what are called modalities or different modes of thinking.
Some people are into video games, drugs, or that exercise machine, or take your pick of any fictional universe, role play, or hobby.
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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
#28583935 - 12/15/23 01:15 PM (1 month, 12 days ago) |
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GenesisCorrupted said: How have I sinned? That’s why I was laughing.
Did you do something that made you feel bad, even without threat of condemnation or punishment?
The moral of the story is that everyone sins.
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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
#28583950 - 12/15/23 01:25 PM (1 month, 12 days ago) |
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It appears that you have a conscience, independent of any threats or shaming, on my part.
Is it such a bad thing to say about you?
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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
#28583988 - 12/15/23 02:01 PM (1 month, 12 days ago) |
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I haven't accused you of anything or asked the details your personal business or said that anything in particular was going to punish you, ever. 
You were not being religious. There should be nothing to be afraid of.
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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: durian_2008]
#28583992 - 12/15/23 02:03 PM (1 month, 12 days ago) |
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Do you believe that every person contains a spark of the divine or was made in the image of God?
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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
#28584000 - 12/15/23 02:09 PM (1 month, 12 days ago) |
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Christians believe that the kingdom of God is within a person, and you are doing wrong against a likeness of God or against his handiwork.
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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: GenesisCorrupted] 1
#28584054 - 12/15/23 02:58 PM (1 month, 12 days ago) |
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That depends on how far you want to take it, philosophically. Interpreted with all different levels of literalness.
We are subjected to lots of fantasy genre and punditry, but life itself is a miracle. What's going on, away from the monitor.
Some reasons not to do wrong are when you pity something or consider it valuable of your own accord.
(But, we assume someone is looking.)
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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
#28585167 - 12/16/23 10:24 AM (1 month, 11 days ago) |
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Besides doing good when you are not under threat, some people faced persecution, were imprisoned and tortured for the sake of their conscience.
They would not bow down to foreign gods nor eat what was unclean to them. It wouldn't have caused any inconvenience to their physical body or required any effort on their part, if they had complied with demands.
So, it's not based on peer pressure or consequences.
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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
#28585401 - 12/16/23 01:42 PM (1 month, 11 days ago) |
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Inca or Inquisitor, was either religious or afraid of the consequences?
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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: durian_2008] 1
#28585405 - 12/16/23 01:44 PM (1 month, 11 days ago) |
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What about Pontius Pilate and Jesus?
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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
#28585446 - 12/16/23 02:16 PM (1 month, 11 days ago) |
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(I didn't realize that the discussion was leading to a victimhood narrative.)
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Capac Hucha as an Inca Assemblage https://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/capa/hd_capa.htm
The performance began in Cuzco, the Inca capital, with the marriage of juveniles selected by Inca nobility. The juveniles, wearing a range of ornaments, were taken on processions to different locations, where they were killed and buried with varied materials, including metals.
Although it is written, "The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God," one possible interpretation is that brother turns against brother and the Earth turns against them.
Authors at the time of the original missionaries, and political, and business contacts -- first contacts -- claimed to have found societies in decline due to plagues, warfare, probably killing off the best of their best, and the dumping of national treasures with those sacrificed.
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The Cult of Sol Invictus https://spacezilotes.wordpress.com/2009/12/18/the-cult-of-sol-invictus/
The Roman Empire began their official recognition of sun worship during the time of Aurelian when he instituted the cult of "Sol Invictus". There is virtually no difference between the cult of Sol Invictus and that of Mithraism or for that matter catholicism.
I find their observances very beautiful, irl. Except, in my version of intersectionality, would have been subject to the Inquisition on several issues.
LIST OF CATHOLIC HERESIESAnd HUMAN TRADITIONSADOPTED and PERPETUATED by the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCHIN THE COURSE OF 1600 YEARS(Compiled by Rev. Stephen L. Testa) https://d3hgrlq6yacptf.cloudfront.net/5f19468dbebc0/content/pages/documents/1393876384.pdf
The notorious Jack Chick asks whether Catholics are Christians: https://www.chick.com/products/tract?stk=71 Maybe, in a little booklet you were once given in your Halloween candy.
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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: durian_2008]
#28585457 - 12/16/23 02:27 PM (1 month, 11 days ago) |
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In modern times, I think most people are religious on the level of Hallmark holidays, the WCOC, and Tomorrowland Music Festivals.
My grandmother claimed to be Catholic at an opportune time so escaped persecution and was taken in by Catholics.
I put a motor scooter back on the van of a an elderly grandmother, on my way to work, passing a Catholic church.
The parishioners around the block from me were uncommonly gentle, not acting like Crusaders, although their churchbell is no longer allowed, here.
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