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The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence?
    #28551589 - 11/21/23 01:34 PM (2 months, 5 days ago)

So I’ve been grappling with this one for a long time.
A priest is somebody who works for God. It’s like their employee. They do all of this work so they don’t go to hell. They want people to not go to hell. And they spend their whole lives in service to God because of the concept that they get to go to heaven. That’s it, that’s what motivates them in their lives.

Now separate of that. Is a saint. Now all saints aren’t recognized, but it doesn’t change the fact that they are. This is a person that acts genuinely, because they know it is the right thing to do. That is their motivation for doing it. These people will wash lepers. These people will build wells. These people will build homes. Just because that is what you’re supposed to do. You’re supposed to make this world a better place. You’re supposed to uplift people.

Now technically, if that person doesn’t belong to a church. The priest would tell them they’re going to hell.

The saint would say that is not true. They have served God in their way. If anything. The priest is going to hell…

I think it comes down to intention.

If you are in service of God. And your entire reason for being religious is to go to heaven, or to not go to hell.
You’re not actually serving a higher power.
If all of this is just for you getting across the finish line. You’re not actually trying to help the people. You’re just trying to make sure you go to heaven.

The saint on the other hand, doesn’t care about heaven or hell. it never did matter to the saint. They just want the world to be better. They just want to help people. That’s why they will be uplifted by God.

I often question if Mother Teresa was actually a saint or a priest.
Was she doing all of those things because she was scared of going to hell?
Or was she doing all those things because she genuinely wanted to just make peoples lives better?

This is why I feel like going to church is an optional thing. It doesn’t change anything about where you are spiritually as long as you do believe. As long as you are good. As long as you do things because you want to do good things. That is what actually matters in the grand scheme.

Doing something because you know it’s the right thing to do and you don’t want to go to hell. Will not be a genuine act of kindness.

It almost feels like the priest is selling you a line of bullshit to try and guarantee himself a good return on his investment.

The saint will work, their entire lives, and die in poverty. Because they died doing what they believed in.
That is the true faith. It isn’t for promises of glory or threats of anguish. It is because it is the right thing to do.


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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: Kickle]
    #28551685 - 11/21/23 02:54 PM (2 months, 5 days ago)

I thought I made it pretty clear. I think you’re getting too tied up on the actual terms.

A priest is anyone who teaches that you will be punished or rewarded for your religious doctrine.

A saint is someone who does good just for the sake of it.

This applies to everybody. It doesn’t need to be any specific priest or saint.


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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: Kickle]
    #28551696 - 11/21/23 03:01 PM (2 months, 5 days ago)

Precisely, I’m talking about the concept. It doesn’t need to be anything specific.

I have definitely met people that fit into the priest category. I have met some Saints.

All I mean, when I talk about the priest is. The only reason they do good things and don’t do bad things is because they want to go to heaven and not go to hell.
Which isn’t an benevolent motivation to be a good person. It’s a selfish motivation to not be punished or to get a reward.


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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: Kickle]
    #28551715 - 11/21/23 03:13 PM (2 months, 5 days ago)

See I don’t think you get it.

This has nothing to do with labels.

This has to do with your philosophy.

Your motivation.

Take away the labels. They don’t matter. They are a familiar term used to convey an idea of something quickly. That’s it. I need you to stop thinking about the terms themselves. And then start thinking about the concepts behind them.


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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: Kickle]
    #28551722 - 11/21/23 03:15 PM (2 months, 5 days ago)

Motivation.

Do they act out of benevolence.

Or out of fear/anticipation of a reward.

The original concept of this question was posed to me about 20 years ago. Somebody told me that Mother Teresa was a bitch. Because the only reason she did anything was so she wouldn’t burn in hell.

Wow, that was a very hard stance.
But it did make me start thinking about this concept.

Are people doing these things because of this reward/punishment system.

Or are they genuinely doing these things because they are good people.


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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: Kickle]
    #28551731 - 11/21/23 03:23 PM (2 months, 5 days ago)

No one ever said the word shunned until you did.

I think the concept of heaven & hell actually do paint a lot of what peoples motivations are for the actions they take.

I feel like without those motivations the actions people take are much more genuine. And actually give you a much better insight into who those people are.


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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: Kickle]
    #28551760 - 11/21/23 03:53 PM (2 months, 5 days ago)

They aren’t going to just tell you.

You can’t just ask somebody if they actually do things for the right reasons. They’re gonna lie and say they do.

From having conversations and hearing the real ways, they think about things when they’re going about their lives. That’s how you can actually find out what really motivates them to be a good person or not.

I’ve met some vicious, mean bastards that claimed, and acted very religiously.


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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: Kickle]
    #28551771 - 11/21/23 04:01 PM (2 months, 5 days ago)

Yeah, I’ve had a pretty slanted perspective. Having some family members get sucked into the Mormonism cult really did a number on my perspective of organized religion.


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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: CrayolaHalls]
    #28557839 - 11/26/23 10:28 PM (2 months, 8 hours ago)

At most. I feel like a soul that had a really hard time. Would probably go into some sort of a spiritual rehab. But they’re certainly aren’t gonna put you in a fiery box. You can’t ever come back out of again.
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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: Asante]
    #28558647 - 11/27/23 05:44 PM (1 month, 30 days ago)

At least he makes the question complicated.
Donating 5 1/2 million dollars to charity. Does make it difficult to say that blowing up something to be famous, is only for vanity.

I’d say he’s having a lot of fun making a lot of money. And donating to charitable causes. Which is inherently good. But I say his enjoyment seems to be first and foremost what he is working towards. Saint Hood work is humble work. You don’t need people to see you doing it to know you’re doing the right thing.
So while I am convinced, he is a good guy.
He is no saint.


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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: Asante]
    #28559246 - 11/28/23 09:05 AM (1 month, 29 days ago)

I agree the video was mean spirited.
I don’t disagree. The guy is doing some amazing philanthropy. I’ve just seen some of his videos that seem like he’s having a blast. But just because you’re having fun, doesn’t mean you aren’t doing good things.

He is certainly doing a lot more for his community than the churches.


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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: durian_2008]
    #28583178 - 12/14/23 08:55 PM (1 month, 13 days ago)

You’re right.
:fingerpistol:
You shouldn’t go to someone and tell them they’re going to suffer because they don’t believe the same thing as you.


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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28583181 - 12/14/23 08:56 PM (1 month, 13 days ago)

Just having an actual faith in something happening after you die. Means you are right. As long as you really believe it. You’re not just waiting for a reward. You’re not just afraid of being punished. You just feel at ease because you know you’re good.

You don’t need to prove it.
You don’t need to be afraid.
You can just be a good person.


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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: durian_2008]
    #28583188 - 12/14/23 09:01 PM (1 month, 13 days ago)

What really bugs me is when people that don’t believe in God at all, become somebody who has a lot of power over the church. The Catholics used to let you pay money. And then you were absolved of your sins.

Just a coin in the box. And you could go out and do anything you wanted. Because you had five more coins in your pocket.

This kind of ludicrous punishment reward system. Led people to feel justified in the crusades.

One of the greatest tragedies that befel humanity.
Those men were promised blanket immunity. They thought they were going to heaven for all that murder they were doing.


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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: durian_2008]
    #28583226 - 12/14/23 09:32 PM (1 month, 13 days ago)

I am good.


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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: durian_2008]
    #28583240 - 12/14/23 09:41 PM (1 month, 13 days ago)

I thought you meant today! 😂

Even with mistakes made. I’m a good person.


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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: blessed]
    #28583710 - 12/15/23 09:52 AM (1 month, 12 days ago)

:lol:
Quote:

blessed said:
Quote:

GenesisCorrupted said:
Even with mistakes made. I’m a good person.



That may be true, but you are still a sinner.



How so?


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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: durian_2008]
    #28583734 - 12/15/23 10:07 AM (1 month, 12 days ago)

Quote:

durian_2008 said:
Quote:

durian_2008 said:
were you born with a conscience?





Quote:

blessed said:
you are still a sinner.





Quote:

GenesisCorrupted said:
:lol:







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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: durian_2008]
    #28583760 - 12/15/23 10:20 AM (1 month, 12 days ago)

How have I sinned? That’s why I was laughing.


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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: syncro]
    #28583822 - 12/15/23 10:55 AM (1 month, 12 days ago)

Quote:

syncro said:
By considering yourself and us as physical humans as explained. It's all your fault, corrupting Genesis.



I can’t explain humans.:lol:
They are inexplicable sometimes.


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