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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: BrendanFlock] * 2
    #28559087 - 11/28/23 04:55 AM (1 month, 30 days ago)

I dislike the mrbeast video, not to shill for him but mrbeast is in good standing with me and this video shows stuff that doesnt touch what he's actually doing, its meanspirited.

God's on MrBeast's side you can't deny that.

MrBeast weaponized capitalism for philantrophy.

Sure he's probably making bank but at present he devotes his life, literally, to planting ever greater fields of generosity, afforded by virally paying it forward.

He is getting more efficient in doing works of greater good.

He is actually doing what megachurches promise, without preaching in word, but demonstrating goodness in deed.

Great respect for the guy, he's a youngster not knowing what to do with himself in this fcked society, so he's going full kamikaze in chasing this divine inspiration.

Saint is the wrong word but he is teaching the world.


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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 2
    #28591601 - 12/20/23 04:24 PM (1 month, 7 days ago)

Saints by definition work miracles.

Priests may just be members of the worlds oldest book club whose main pastime is asking for money.

At least with organized religion one has a choice in terms of the callings, which are related to social functions and the organizations needs.

I'm neither a Saint, nor  Priest, but am deeply religious.
I don't pursue nor desire reward, nor fear punishment. 
I don't even teach my religion to others.
It's private.

I occasionally discuss aspects of my religiosity and the related content with others, but rarely and never in great detail.

Let the divine initiate those who are meant to be initiated, it needs no human representative nor spokesperson and my understanding is that it never calls people to speak for it, because it can speak for itself.

It's easy to convert people to belief patters using their fear and avarice. Organized religion excels at this no? But they fail at the spiritual matters and so end up working very hard to label anything outside of their teachings and claims as a form of heresy that should be exterminated and extinguished. This is why those who are called typically hide themselves and do not speak of their faith and practice. They even adopt the symbolism of their oppressors to do this.


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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: syncro] * 2
    #28604397 - 12/31/23 09:49 AM (27 days, 21 hours ago)

I think the saint is signified by not expecting return from their deeds.

The priest, well, he wants to go to heaven.

If judgement isn't static it's not a sin, only an exploration, step by step. Is it still judgement if the judgment isn't static?


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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 2
    #28604785 - 12/31/23 03:56 PM (27 days, 15 hours ago)

I think as long as one identifies with their beliefs, they will feel threatened when those beliefs are challenged....


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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: blessed] * 2
    #28622372 - 01/15/24 04:19 PM (12 days, 14 hours ago)

Quote:

blessed said:


Please stop blaming the God of the Bible for the things dumb, stupid, 2-faced c@nts, lying, sick, depraved, evil sacks of poops (aka people/humans) do!!!!!!





I was responding to this statement :

Quote:

First of all, no one is holding a gun to your head saying believe or you're dead.




My point was that things aren't all one way. I've met a lot of people, especially Catholics, that had various degrees of trauma because of the way their families but beliefs on them.

The idea of the devil terrifies a lot of people. For a long time the idea of hell was so absurd to me I didn't think anyone could actually believe in it, but it was people who were terrified and shared their terror with me that convinced me they actually did believe.

There is nothing innately good or bad about squiggles of ink on paper bound together in a book, how those squiggles are interpreted and how that interpretation affects people that's important. This also can't be separated from all the other aspects of the religion and culture, in terms of main stream religion.

Over the centuries the bible has been interpreted in many different ways and used to justify or vilify many different things.


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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
    #28551768 - 11/21/23 03:58 PM (2 months, 5 days ago)

Sorry to hear :hug:


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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
    #28551881 - 11/21/23 05:51 PM (2 months, 5 days ago)

Essence, say, present in any religion or contemplation is not kept for oneself, separation a concept left behind as well thought of future and past. That mind is in service.

An example I heard recently- a string of a musical instrument vibrating brings those close along with it.


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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: syncro] * 1
    #28557833 - 11/26/23 10:23 PM (2 months, 8 hours ago)

About 20 years ago the Church finally admitted they leveraged the concept of hell as a place/destination as a way to control people.  They've since said it was really nothing more than a state of existence that is different than being in connection with their God in the way they find most gratifying.

Most people never got the memo and certainly others are still trying to manipulate others with this fear.


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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
    #28558626 - 11/27/23 05:34 PM (1 month, 30 days ago)

Many priests and pastors do it as a job to get paid.

I spoke an African "pastor" online a few years back. He was collecting donations to set up a congregation. The purpose of the congregation was to get him enough money. When he had enough money he would ditch the congregation, handing it over to his brothers while he would go to America. Why America? "to make a lot of money there" for his family? nope. his congregation? no he would have left that behind. What do you find inspiring about America? "the money." What will you do there? "whatever makes the most money"

even the locusts have phones now, it seems.

of course he'll never make it, but he'll fck the faithful and anything in his path to get there.

Would you consider MrBeast a saint?


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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
    #28559268 - 11/28/23 09:51 AM (1 month, 29 days ago)

Speaking of: today your donations get quadrupled in the culmination of shroomsgiving!


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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
    #28566990 - 12/03/23 04:10 PM (1 month, 24 days ago)

George Orwell - 1984
'We are the priests of power,' he said. 'God is power. But at present power is only a word so far as you are concerned. It is time for you to gather some idea of what power means. The first thing you must realize is that power is collective. The individual only has power in so far as he ceases to be an individual. You know the Party slogan: "Freedom is Slavery". Has it ever occurred to you that it is reversible? Slavery is freedom. Alone -- free -- the human being is always defeated. It must be so, because every human being is doomed to die, which is the greatest of all failures. But if he can make complete, utter submission, if he can escape from his identity, if he can merge himself in the Party so that he is the Party, then he is all-powerful and immortal. The second thing for you to realize is that power is power over human beings. Over the body but, above all, over the mind. Power over matter -- external reality, as you would call it -- is not important. Already our control over matter is absolute.'
https://www.abhaf.org/assets/books/html/1984/174.html


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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
    #28582494 - 12/14/23 11:25 AM (1 month, 13 days ago)

I think this is more a matter of understanding/perspective than authenticity.

and also comes in shades of gray rather than black or white

i see two aspects in your comments. One is self centeredness  vs say whole centeredness. The other is your understanding of the world. If someone really believes in eternal torture, trying to save people from that sounds like a sane, authentic and nobel cause.


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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
    #28583187 - 12/14/23 09:00 PM (1 month, 13 days ago)

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GenesisCorrupted said:
You’re right.
:fingerpistol:
You shouldn’t go to someone and tell them they’re going to suffer because they don’t believe the same thing as you.




Regardless of our politics, there is still such a thing as being objectively evil...


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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: syncro] * 1
    #28583419 - 12/15/23 04:28 AM (1 month, 13 days ago)

I think in the Magic, White and Black book read recently, or related, was described a scene where a young man was leaving overseas perhaps as a soldier, and was with his sweet amor who spoke words of love and promise, and astrally on the front side was perceived manifest vibes of said beauty and promise, yet behind her the same was peopled with shadow things. The falsehood of separation must carry the shadow I guess.


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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
    #28583457 - 12/15/23 05:46 AM (1 month, 13 days ago)

I grew up very religious and my entire family is religious .
In response to the hypothetical question priest & saint
My parents would be saints
Becoming an adult and going more into the real world i was unaware of hypocrisy and people who hide behind their religion. As that was not my experience growing up.
It was baffling to me as a young adult
Now
It disgusts me
When we started the syringe exchange program the person who opposed it the most - preachers wife
She drove bus and wanted to be able to refuse to take people to buy tobacco or alcohol. Refuse to pick up people in active addiction
A preachers wife
She told us in her congregation no one was in need or had problems
Complete opposite of my parents, in their 70's who not only support the syringe exchange and harm reduction program but ask questions
And attend community meetings and ask how they can support
They do support
When we had a community meeting the genuine questions were from boomers wanting to understand opiate addiction
I don't understand turning your back on others in the name of religion when the religion I know teaches the opposite


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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
    #28583758 - 12/15/23 10:19 AM (1 month, 12 days ago)

There are what are called modalities or different modes of thinking.

Some people are into video games, drugs, or that exercise machine, or take your pick of any fictional universe, role play, or hobby.


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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
    #28583880 - 12/15/23 12:08 PM (1 month, 12 days ago)

Devotion, Bhakti, is the same as the ecstasies, Anandakaya, the bliss body.

Chanting, singing, music, is most easily explicable by its fruits.


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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
    #28584054 - 12/15/23 02:58 PM (1 month, 12 days ago)

That depends on how far you want to take it, philosophically. Interpreted with all different levels of literalness.

We are subjected to lots of fantasy genre and punditry, but life itself is a miracle. What's going on, away from the monitor.

Some reasons not to do wrong are when you pity something or consider it valuable of your own accord.

(But, we assume someone is looking.)


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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
    #28584956 - 12/16/23 06:57 AM (1 month, 12 days ago)

This is stuck in my head GC! Now you must pay. All together now. :awedance:

As I went down in the river to pray
Studyin' about that good ol' way
And who shall wear the starry crown?
Good Lord, show me the way...


"Come on in boys, the water is fine."



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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: durian_2008] * 1
    #28585405 - 12/16/23 01:44 PM (1 month, 11 days ago)

What about Pontius Pilate and Jesus?


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