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GenesisCorrupted
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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: durian_2008]
#28583188 - 12/14/23 09:01 PM (1 month, 13 days ago) |
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What really bugs me is when people that don’t believe in God at all, become somebody who has a lot of power over the church. The Catholics used to let you pay money. And then you were absolved of your sins.
Just a coin in the box. And you could go out and do anything you wanted. Because you had five more coins in your pocket.
This kind of ludicrous punishment reward system. Led people to feel justified in the crusades.
 One of the greatest tragedies that befel humanity. Those men were promised blanket immunity. They thought they were going to heaven for all that murder they were doing.
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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: durian_2008]
#28584800 - 12/16/23 02:30 AM (1 month, 12 days ago) |
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I’ve been thinking about this. I think that’s the core of it. If you aren’t being watched. You have an opportunity to do something good. Let’s say something that would hurt you. But it is the right thing to do. But if you didn’t do it. No one would know.
This isn’t a small matter. This is going to really hurt you. You might have permanent scarring maybe burns. But you did it because it was the right thing to do. Not because you wanted to die with some grand purpose in mind. Not because you were getting rewarded. Not because you were going to get punished if you didn’t do it. Just because it was the right thing to do.
That is a saint. Anyone can be a saint. That’s what we should all strive to be like. But peoples perspectives are skewed, because most religion gives you a reward for staying in line. To keep doing what you’re told. Or you are met with hellfire for breaking the rules. Now those rules are important.
There were no rules. It was awful. A group of people banded together, and they all agreed what we need is a set of rules to keep people from doing this.
 That wasn’t going to be enough. They felt like they needed to threaten them. So they convinced them of the concept of hell. Something I don’t believe in.
I think if your soul has been tainted through this life. With its misery that it can put you through. You have to go into a sort of spiritual rehab. Where you wash this taint from you. And then you can come back and try again.
That’s just how I feel.
Edited by GenesisCorrupted (12/18/23 09:42 PM)
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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
#28585382 - 12/16/23 01:24 PM (1 month, 11 days ago) |
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The Spanish conquistadors had conquered the Inca. The king saw how they coveted treasure above all else. So he offered to fill a room with gold in one day. Then he said he would fill it twice with silver. If they would just leave his people alone.
He accomplished that. Now the conquistadors demanded one more thing. The requerimiento: A speech requiring the listener to submit to the authority of the Spanish Crown and accept the Christian faith. He refused. Knowing that in their religion being killed in fire, guaranteed no afterlife. They said they were going to burn them to death. He needed to submit, or they would kill everybody.
They tortured him for days.
 Until he finally submitted to their Christian God. Fully believing in his religion. He was willing to sacrifice himself to hell for his people. They immediately killed him. Then they went out of their way to take some of his clothes and some of his skin to burn. His remains were given a Christian burial.
That is the saint versus the priest…
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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: blessed]
#28589092 - 12/18/23 09:19 PM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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Here’s the original post. Because you edited it in a negative fashion.
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blessed said:
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GenesisCorrupted said: Even with mistakes made. I’m a good person.
That may be true, but you are still a sinner.
How so?
But how have I sinned? Also there are tons of things not true in that. Number 11 particularly stands out to me. So you have never met anyone who sought out spiritual meaning or God? I am not a sinner. But somebody who tries to tell me, I’m gonna burn in hell for not reading that book page to page and believing every single thing in it.
 That sounds like terrorism to me.
Edited by GenesisCorrupted (12/20/23 05:56 PM)
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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
#28604129 - 12/31/23 04:26 AM (28 days, 2 hours ago) |
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GenesisCorrupted said: Here’s the original post. Because you edited it in a negative fashion.
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GenesisCorrupted said:

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blessed said:
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GenesisCorrupted said: Even with mistakes made. I’m a good person.
That may be true, but you are still a sinner.
How so?
But how have I sinned? Also there are tons of things not true in that. Number 11 particularly stands out to me. So you have never met anyone who sought out spiritual meaning or God? I am not a sinner. But somebody who tries to tell me, I’m gonna burn in hell for not reading that book page to page and believing every single thing in it.
 That sounds like terrorism to me.

Sorry for the delayed response. I'm going to reply to you on a point by point basis.
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GenesisCorrupted said: Here’s the original post. Because you edited it in a negative fashion.
This was not intentional but merely a editing error. I've now fixed it in my previous post.
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GenesisCorrupted said: But how have I sinned?
Most people if they are honest, will admit that they have done bad things. This can include lying, stealing, gossiping, losing their temper, not doing something they know they should have done, deceiving others for ones own benefit, wrongly judging others, putting others down from a sense of pride, treating others in a bad way (causing mental or physical harm) and so on. Now I'm not going to pretend to know you but I'm sure you've done at least one or more thing that I just mentioned. I'm also quite sure you've also broken one or more of the 10 Commandments.
Now from the Bibles point of view, a sin is the breaking of God's law. This means if you lie (even just once), then you have committed a sin. Now the same can be said of the laws of the land. Should you go over the speed limit while driving you would be a law breaker. Now while you may not go to jail for going over the speed limit, if you were honest you would have to admit that you've broken the law (of the land). The same principle applies with us and sin.
Now there's also another aspect to sin. Thanks (or no thanks) to Adam & Eve's disobedience (breaking God's laws) sin entered and now all men are destined to die. This dying is not because of the result of the natural ageing process but a direct result of sin (breaking God's commandments). I'd like to mention also that prior to man committing sin, that death was not a reality for mankind. Now, your and my problem is this......, just like a mother that has aids will have babies that also have aids, we are all offspring of sinful parents/people (right back to Adam & Eve). So you see, even a new born baby, has the sin nature and not only that, he or she also carries with in them the curse and penalty of sin too, which is death. This is in fact everyone's lot, everyone.
Long story short if you are honest with yourself, you can't deny you have sinned (according to the Bible definition of what sin is). That is, disobeyed and broken God's commandments and wronged your fellow man.
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GenesisCorrupted said: Also there are tons of things not true in that. Number 11 particularly stands out to me. So you have never met anyone who sought out spiritual meaning or God?
I'd like to answer this in two ways.
First, can an unborn child meet their parents? In the same manner we are created by God and in this, the only way we could ever know (or seek him out) is that he first made us. On this point, in making us, he made it possible to know him, and without him making us, it IS impossible.
Second, every person is born with a sin nature, and by default there is no (genuine) desire (within us) to seek and find and know God. Now we live in a time where we can share idea's, opinion's, world views, beliefs, and knowledge (some fact's and some theories), but it hasn't always been like this. Still even with the way the world is today, we as individuals are no different from people who live before technology made the world smaller allowing many to communicate and share information (right and wrong) at a speed that is quite something. Now today children are brought up being taught (many things) both from their parents and from society and yet this simple fact remains, that unless we are taught something we will not know of it.
Maybe a good way to say it concerns myself. I would not have believed in God if my parents hadn't also believed in God, and in doing so forced me to go to church. Now if you take away my parents belief in God, and also removed all that made them know about God, then my parents would not have known about God at all and they would have not made me go to church. Apparently there have been those in the past that have wanted to rid the world of the Bible, and had they succeeded I would not be having this conversation with you today.
So I agree with what the Bible says in that no one (genuinely) seeks out God. Now the Bible says,
Psalm 119:130 The entrance of Your words gives light; It gives understanding to the simple.
In this context, we are all walking in darkness, and only by God's word can we come to know the truth. The truth of God, and the truth of ourselves.
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GenesisCorrupted said: I am not a sinner. But somebody who tries to tell me, I’m gonna burn in hell for not reading that book page to page and believing every single thing in it.

First, whether you like it or not, whether you believe it or not, fact remain, the Bible calls you a sinner.
Second, you are wrong in thinking that you are going to hell because (as you say), "for not reading that book page to page and believing every single thing in it.". This is not what the Bible says at all.
Seems you've ether been, a. lied to (willfully). b. misled (not intentional but still same end result). c. You haven't truly seek'd out God and therefor never found the truth because you were never really looking for it? Note - Some/Many people open the Bible not to find the truth it contains, but their desire is (before they even read one verse) is to find reasons NOT to believe. d. Some of all the above.
Lastly to call the Bible and it's message (or the sharing of it) as terrorism is an very interesting take on where you stand concerning the Bible. First of all, no one is holding a gun to your head saying believe or you're dead. The Bible presents it's self as "The Truth" and leaves each person to ether believe it or not (accept or reject). Again, there is NO gun to your head.
Now only lies are terrified (terrorized) of, and by truth, and if the Bible and it's message is an act of terrorism (as you say), it is only to "the lie", and those that love "the lie". It does this in that it will ultimately destroy/exposes the foundation ("the lie") on which a person stand and how they live their life, which is..............., the lie that there is no God and that we are not accountable to him.
The Bible just sit there waiting to be opened. Now one of the things that God does require of the reader is that they ether believe (have faith) in the message of the cross or they don't. If one believes then great, if one does not believe then also great. The main issue that both those who believe and those who don't will have to one day deal with is this, the consequence of their choice (concerning the Bible). Simple as that.
Edited by blessed (12/31/23 04:34 AM)
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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: durian_2008]
#28604707 - 12/31/23 03:08 PM (27 days, 15 hours ago) |
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Why do you keep not answering my questions in the wrong threads?
 What are you hiding?
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