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amanita muscaria
    #28549800 - 11/20/23 04:02 AM (2 months, 7 days ago)

Hi!

I found these mushrooms in a pine forest in Central Eastern Europe(Hungary). I'm pretty sure these are a bunch of amanita muscaria, but don't know which exact variation. I think it never hurts to get a second opinion, and I'm a beginner so I need the coformation. I would like to know your opinion and maybe some tips or experience how to consume it for psychedelic effects. I know it's a controversial mushroom i've read both good and bad about amanita muscaria. For now i've just dried it cracker dry in an airfryer at dehydration setting, and just stored it an airtight jar. Before I try it I want to gather as much as information as possible, so i can decide if i want to take the risk or no, so I welcome any suggestion.






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Re: amanita muscaria [Re: szumszum] * 1
    #28549801 - 11/20/23 04:03 AM (2 months, 7 days ago)

Amanita muscaria for sure 👍


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Re: amanita muscaria [Re: Bardy]
    #28549806 - 11/20/23 04:24 AM (2 months, 7 days ago)

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Bardy said:
Amanita muscaria for sure 👍




Yep, some beautiful specimens too! :sunny:


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Re: amanita muscaria [Re: Bardy]
    #28549970 - 11/20/23 09:04 AM (2 months, 7 days ago)

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Bardy said:
Amanita muscaria for sure 👍




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Re: amanita muscaria [Re: Lucis]
    #28550774 - 11/20/23 07:53 PM (2 months, 6 days ago)

Amazing group you have there congratulations


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Re: amanita muscaria [Re: Kris1970]
    #28550790 - 11/20/23 08:05 PM (2 months, 6 days ago)

Amanita muscaria var. muscaria...


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Re: amanita muscaria [Re: Psilosadhu] * 1
    #28550945 - 11/20/23 10:51 PM (2 months, 6 days ago)

Beautiful specimens of Amanita Muscaria. 

I can only give a personal account of my experience with them.  Picked them locally and dried them.  Read as much lit. as possible about the consumption and effects.  Decided to throw them away.  I think it is possible to minimize the amount of ibotenic acid by some sort of prep.  But since psilocybin is so readily available wild, and has none of the crap shoot neurological risks, I'll leave the Muscaria be where it is.

IF you decide to eat them, go slow.  Alkaloid levels are known to be variable in different areas.

Do porcini grow alongside Muscaria in your area?  Here they are commonly found together.


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Re: amanita muscaria [Re: KissMycelium]
    #28550958 - 11/20/23 11:12 PM (2 months, 6 days ago)

I’ve paid out on Amanita muscaria similarly in the past, but I think I’m warming to the idea that there might be some benefits to be had with them for some people.

If you’re literally only looking to get high and trip balls, then yeah, psilocybin is very likely the better/safer option in most ways (maybe not all ways). But if you’re interested in the different properties of muscimol and/or you reason that a GABAergic substance that is naturally available might be of benefit to you then why not?

I had an experience years ago where I didn’t decarb properly and I got sick from them… but with what I know now I might be inclined to try a very small amount again. Would also be cool to experience it from a more experienced perspective to see if there was anything I missed the first time.


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Re: amanita muscaria [Re: KissMycelium]
    #28550995 - 11/21/23 12:50 AM (2 months, 6 days ago)

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Beautiful specimens of Amanita Muscaria. 

I can only give a personal account of my experience with them.  Picked them locally and dried them.  Read as much lit. as possible about the consumption and effects.  Decided to throw them away.  I think it is possible to minimize the amount of ibotenic acid by some sort of prep.  But since psilocybin is so readily available wild, and has none of the crap shoot neurological risks, I'll leave the Muscaria be where it is.

IF you decide to eat them, go slow.  Alkaloid levels are known to be variable in different areas.

Do porcini grow alongside Muscaria in your area?  Here they are commonly found together.




Why on earth would you minimize the amount of ibotenic acid??? To make them edible? I read that you can boil the shit out of them to make them edible, apparently they do that in some countries. I would find some other mushroom to eat, fly agaric isn't very tasty.
What neurological risks? Never heard of any.
Amanitas contains a very small amount of muscarine, however, which can make some people nauseous. Most of it dissapears with drying.


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Re: amanita muscaria [Re: Psilosadhu]
    #28551014 - 11/21/23 01:38 AM (2 months, 6 days ago)

Ibotenic acid makes people sick. I think it’s also a bit of an unpleasant stimulant? Not sure. But it has some nasty effects before it’s metabolised into muscimol.

Muscimol is the thing you want, not ibotenic acid. This is why people use heat to dry their mushrooms and then brew an acidic tea using them. It’s to decarboxylate the ibotenic acid to form muscimol.


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Re: amanita muscaria [Re: Bardy]
    #28551031 - 11/21/23 02:58 AM (2 months, 6 days ago)

Yes, you want to convert it to muscimol. I guess you could call that minimizing it. I thought you meant removing it. My bad!
I kinda like amanitas. But the taste is disgusting. Never had a full on trip, though.


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Re: amanita muscaria [Re: Psilosadhu]
    #28551875 - 11/21/23 05:43 PM (2 months, 5 days ago)

Converting it to something else is for sure minimising it lol. I thought it was odd that you didn’t already know that, you seem pretty knowledgeable :lol:


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Re: amanita muscaria [Re: Bardy]
    #28554650 - 11/24/23 05:00 AM (2 months, 3 days ago)

I had a need for some mushrooms, could not find psychedelics and tried Amanita. Still using. Here's what I can say on this...

If there are subspecies, I eat them all.
Dry at max 48 Celsius, not to spoil natural molecules.
I have picked in Northers Sweden, Northern Poland and in Latvia, in Lithuania. As I move and travel.. Now I have good batch of dried Amanitas.

Eat them in empty stomach. Morning or starve a bit till afternoon and eat then.
I have about 2 hats in one go. One hat around 10cm diameter. That amount I eat..

Often smell and taste nauseates me. Few times there is very slightly feeling of upset stomach but that's nothing. Makes me thirsty, i try to drink moderately.
I feel no need to eat food but after effect is gone in about 8h, then some healthy hunger comes in.

Makes you sleep like a baby, that is for sure!
It takes away all entities that we all have attached... Either addiction thoughts or energy suckers.
So for me it has been Blissful Help. I was in a bad state and after eating these, in half an hour i felt like new born.
I am in last days of work and have to eat every morning before work to live through days at that place. It helps immensely!
There is feeling of bodily freedom and that makes me move faster, and mental freedom which makes me think more clear, more creativity can come in. Time suffering is gone, at work i don't look at clock, time just goes by. So basically all the human suffering is off. 

Maybe some people are carrying less garbage, I do not know.
I think, if you do not feel effect, then try to clean the body from shitty foods and make sure to eat in empty stomach.

If I eat more than 2 hats, then there is bouncy feeling, like when getting drunk and have to hold to walls to walk straight. So I have not gone beyond that, as my plan was to heal not to intoxicate. But I might sometime overdose and see what happens.

I have sometimes eaten amount of one fresh hat, it did not do much, maybe i am used to bigger amount. But when I am picking in the forest, i like to eat a bit fresh, natural :smile:

I am educated (aka brainwashed) biochemist/molecular biologist but I do not perceive mushrooms as these and those molecules and how much milligrams they have, and what else holly science tells me.
My approach is more like pagan or native american.


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Re: amanita muscaria [Re: Forest Spirit]
    #28575700 - 12/09/23 10:55 AM (1 month, 19 days ago)

Thank you everybody for the ID conformation and the informations, I appreciate it. I've found some books about how to microdose amanita muscaria and also there is a more comprehensive book about the fly agaric and it's history by Kevin M Feeney,I've ordered it but it hasn't arrived yet. I've read a lot about the fly agaric, and in my opinion microdosing looks promising to improve life quality. My main goal is to improve my sleep, in duration and quality too, with a catious, slow titration of the hot water extract of the dried mushroom. I've made my "tea" as I saw on amanitadreamer's webpage(she is an influencer  and she also wrote a book about microdosing fly agaric) I've put 15 gramm cracker dry shroom(I didn't use just one big cap, i've used pieces from lot of different caps, to minimalize the chance to make it too strong or too weak, because the concentration of actives is very variable) in 250 ml water simmered it for 20 minutes, then I drained it, I throwed out the mushroom, and kept the mixture, I added water to make it 250 ml again, so I'll get always the same amount, and it will make the dosage calculation more consistent. 2/3 of the portion I froze and 1/3 went to the fridge. Baba Masha MD, who wrote the first book about microdosing the fly agaric, suggested that we should begin our journey with 0,5 gramm once a day from the dried mushroom. So I' ll start today with approximately equal dose of that, which is 8ml from my hot water extract. I'll put it in a cup of regular tea and add lemonjuice to it to make it more acidic, then boil it for 10 more minutes to help further decarboxylation. All in all I think it has potential, mainly the microdosing  aspect of it, after I get a little bit more experience with amanita muscaria maybe I'll try a little bit higher doses to get some psychedelic effect, more insight in life, but for now just the microdosing. There is so much fear accumulated with this mushroom that after all that research, and the fact that I'll be only microdosing it and I'm still a little bit scared of it, but improved sleep quality just too good opportunity to just pass on.


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