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Re: Pastywhyte’s Ez dialed monos (moved) [Re: Tathamet] 4
#28515675 - 10/23/23 06:44 PM (3 months, 3 days ago) |
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If you're worried about FAE you can try widening a couple of the top holes a bit. Just a little though cause you want to dial it in incrementally
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Re: Pastywhyte’s Ez dialed monos (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte] 1
#28515687 - 10/23/23 06:49 PM (3 months, 3 days ago) |
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Hey Pasty. Havent seen you in a hot minute. Wanted to let you know Ive switched over to ez-dials and i will never look back. Theyve been great man thank you. I posted this tek in the hitchhikers guide not once not twice but thrice because its just that nice.
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Re: Pastywhyte’s Ez dialed monos (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte]
#28515811 - 10/23/23 07:54 PM (3 months, 3 days ago) |
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Good to know thanks!
I’m a little too inexperienced to tell if I even should be concerned with the fae or not yet haha. I’ve read that fuzzy feet are a sign of low fae but also read that it’s only an issue if they’re growing leggy. which I don’t think they are?
Here’s a bit of a closer pic of them

Either way this grow has gone exponentially better than all my others so I probably won’t mess with it much until I’ve learned from it.
I also did a couple mini purple latch 27 quarts with the same hole design on some enigma. The pinsets on them were so insanely dense that you couldn’t even see a spec of substrate. Unfortunately I don’t think I kept up with the water demand well enough as almost the whole surface aborted on me. It looked super cool though!
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Re: Pastywhyte’s Ez dialed monos (moved) [Re: Tathamet]
#28516129 - 10/24/23 03:25 AM (3 months, 3 days ago) |
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I’m just doing something similar with my tubs. I didn’t know this idea was so well researched. Great to find this thread!
I saw a pic of tub a while back somewhere with these hole arrangements and it seemed a better idea than a couple of large holes. Better air flow across the substrate. So I thought I’d give it a try.
Unfortunately, I had a huge issue this year with pesky fungus gnats. They savaged my last grow really badly. This grow I’ve had to really seal the tubs up with tape during colonisation. I don’t know how they were getting in but they can’t this time.
The intake holes I’ve drilled are evenly spaced along the long sides. The holes are about 1.5cm to 2cm in diameter and are about 3 cm above the substrate level. The exhaust holes are done in the middle of the small sides near the top.
Owing to the fungus gnat problem, I’m going to have to run filters for the holes instead of leaving them open but I was planning to use coffee filters cut into panels and taped in place over the holes.
I’ll not be using polyfill again. I’m pretty sure the gnats found their way into my tubs somehow through the polyfill.
I’m a few days away from the surface of my current grow being colonised enough to introduce FC. I’m looking forward to seeing what this new FAE arrangement does.
I’m yet to get a tub with a full canopy. It’s usually spotty fruiting which I believe has been an FAE issue.
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Fungal-Infection said: I’m just doing something similar with my tubs. I didn’t know this idea was so well researched. Great to find this thread!
I saw a pic of tub a while back somewhere with these hole arrangements and it seemed a better idea than a couple of large holes. Better air flow across the substrate. So I thought I’d give it a try.
Unfortunately, I had a huge issue this year with pesky fungus gnats. They savaged my last grow really badly. This grow I’ve had to really seal the tubs up with tape during colonisation. I don’t know how they were getting in but they can’t this time.
The intake holes I’ve drilled are evenly spaced along the long sides. The holes are about 1.5cm to 2cm in diameter and are about 3 cm above the substrate level. The exhaust holes are done in the middle of the small sides near the top.
Owing to the fungus gnat problem, I’m going to have to run filters for the holes instead of leaving them open but I was planning to use coffee filters cut into panels and taped in place over the holes.
I’ll not be using polyfill again. I’m pretty sure the gnats found their way into my tubs somehow through the polyfill.
I’m a few days away from the surface of my current grow being colonised enough to introduce FC. I’m looking forward to seeing what this new FAE arrangement does.
I’m yet to get a tub with a full canopy. It’s usually spotty fruiting which I believe has been an FAE issue.
Good idea about covering the holes with coffee filters, but I think you could go with something even less restrictive, although they would still flow better than MP tape I suppose.
I worry about gnats too. I used to cover small plant pots with panty hose liners.. literally wrapping all the way around the whole pot and stalk with a twisty tie, and it was good enough to keep the flyers from coming in and out, eventually killing the cycle (along with some BTi). I would even stretch sections of the liners that I cut out over large openings on bigger pots, and make sure to put small sections over the drainage holes too. The little bastards will crawl in any little hole if you let them unfortunately. Coco substrate is prime real estate. Little sections of panty hose taped in place would make your EZ dial tubs even more sexy, and gnat proof.
That, or I have another suggestion. They can't really fly that good, and need to crawl in through the small holes, so you could spray some adhesive and put yellow sticky traps or pieces of it over all the holes, and then poke new holes through the sticky trap into the original ones. They will get stuck trying to crawl in that way, maybe. I dunno about this idea so much, because it would be like trying to attract them right to the holes with the yellow color.. Maybe they make a clear version of those traps?
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Re: Pastywhyte’s Ez dialed monos (moved) [Re: PsillySeeEms] 1
#28516262 - 10/24/23 07:40 AM (3 months, 3 days ago) |
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Fungal-Infection said: I’m just doing something similar with my tubs. I didn’t know this idea was so well researched. Great to find this thread!
I saw a pic of tub a while back somewhere with these hole arrangements and it seemed a better idea than a couple of large holes. Better air flow across the substrate. So I thought I’d give it a try.
Unfortunately, I had a huge issue this year with pesky fungus gnats. They savaged my last grow really badly. This grow I’ve had to really seal the tubs up with tape during colonisation. I don’t know how they were getting in but they can’t this time.
The intake holes I’ve drilled are evenly spaced along the long sides. The holes are about 1.5cm to 2cm in diameter and are about 3 cm above the substrate level. The exhaust holes are done in the middle of the small sides near the top.
Owing to the fungus gnat problem, I’m going to have to run filters for the holes instead of leaving them open but I was planning to use coffee filters cut into panels and taped in place over the holes.
I’ll not be using polyfill again. I’m pretty sure the gnats found their way into my tubs somehow through the polyfill.
I’m a few days away from the surface of my current grow being colonised enough to introduce FC. I’m looking forward to seeing what this new FAE arrangement does.
I’m yet to get a tub with a full canopy. It’s usually spotty fruiting which I believe has been an FAE issue.
Good idea about covering the holes with coffee filters, but I think you could go with something even less restrictive, although they would still flow better than MP tape I suppose.
I worry about gnats too. I used to cover small plant pots with panty hose liners.. literally wrapping all the way around the whole pot and stalk with a twisty tie, and it was good enough to keep the flyers from coming in and out, eventually killing the cycle (along with some BTi). I would even stretch sections of the liners that I cut out over large openings on bigger pots, and make sure to put small sections over the drainage holes too. The little bastards will crawl in any little hole if you let them unfortunately. Coco substrate is prime real estate. Little sections of panty hose taped in place would make your EZ dial tubs even more sexy, and gnat proof.
That, or I have another suggestion. They can't really fly that good, and need to crawl in through the small holes, so you could spray some adhesive and put yellow sticky traps or pieces of it over all the holes, and then poke new holes through the sticky trap into the original ones. They will get stuck trying to crawl in that way, maybe. I dunno about this idea so much, because it would be like trying to attract them right to the holes with the yellow color.. Maybe they make a clear version of those traps?
Yes, of course.. panty hose! Great idea!
That’s what I’ll use. Like you suggested. Cut out some panels and tape in place. That will definitely give the air flow I’m looking for.
Thanks for that suggestion!
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A million thank you's for this Pasty.
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Re: Pastywhyte’s Ez dialed monos (moved) [Re: xVadisx]
#28516345 - 10/24/23 09:12 AM (3 months, 3 days ago) |
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really doesnt crack? i make my lids and stuff that way but i always melt my tub holes.
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Re: Pastywhyte’s Ez dialed monos (moved) [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
#28516347 - 10/24/23 09:13 AM (3 months, 3 days ago) |
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BeefSupremeJr said: really doesnt crack? i make my lids and stuff that way but i always melt my tub holes.
I've never had a tub crack using a step drill bit (yet). I like that I can dial my holes up a notch super easy as well.
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Re: Pastywhyte’s Ez dialed monos (moved) [Re: xVadisx] 1
#28544327 - 11/15/23 05:42 PM (2 months, 11 days ago) |
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The pasty tubs are da best design in da world. In a thousand years people will still use the pasty tubs as secret ancient knowledge, just like the great pyramid of egypt. I dont believe in god but I believe in pasty tubs.
This is the way
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Re: Pastywhyte’s Ez dialed monos (moved) [Re: Anomalocaris]
#28544970 - 11/16/23 08:14 AM (2 months, 11 days ago) |
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I’m using 16L tub instead of a 60L tub this time… wanted to make smaller tubs as might be easier for me (less likely to destroy multiple grows)
Anyways.. should I still do 3inch measurements from the sides? MR whytes measurements were on a much larger tub so thinking should I dial it down?
Anyone got a measurement idea for me? Thanks
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Re: Pastywhyte’s Ez dialed monos (moved) [Re: Elskiiworld] 1
#28547389 - 11/18/23 05:24 AM (2 months, 9 days ago) |
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Pasty’s easy dial is my go-to for full sized tubs, prepared exactly as per the tek. But I’ve seen a lot of posts about scaling down the standard issue easy dial, and figured I’d add this here. I’m sure lots of variations have been discussed throughout the thread.
I experimented with hole configurations and found this to work well for the 27qt version of the same purple latch sterilite tub, regardless of whether it’s two separate trays or one substrate. It’s slightly less than 1/2 the volume of the full sized tub, and holes are sized accordingly.
I added middle holes on each long side, but ended up taping over them to “delete” them… I’d recommend leaving these out. If I did these again I’d start with 1/8”-5/32” holes, as opposed to 3/16”, and increase if needed - Holes are easy to widen and hard to undrill.

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Bustaboo said: That sounds reasonable. I’ve mainly run shoeboxes, but looking at putting multiple shoeboxes in a larger tub that I’ll probably set up for easy dial.
The 27qt Sterilite clearview works well as a half scale easy dial. Same hole configuration as Pasty’s tek but with smaller holes. 5/32”-3/16” is about half the area of a 1/4” hole, to suit a tub of about half the size.
Fits two of these 2qt containers perfectly, with no gaps - Each gets a myco quart @ 1:2


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Edited by Nonagon (11/18/23 05:27 AM)
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Re: Pastywhyte’s Ez dialed monotubs [Re: Pastywhyte]
#28548110 - 11/18/23 03:33 PM (2 months, 9 days ago) |
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And the way this works is that humid air rises out of the top holes creating a vacuum which pulls in fresh air from the bottom holes? Or how does it work? Please only someone who knows for sure answer this.
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Re: Pastywhyte’s Ez dialed monotubs [Re: spuitzakje] 2
#28548161 - 11/18/23 04:28 PM (2 months, 8 days ago) |
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There will be exchange throughout all the holes generally. Proximity to walls and the way natural air currents in the room draft may effect this. We of course want less exchange near the sub surface to prevent drying. The configuration of the box in this case assumes the sub volume will be significantly within a range to withstand the humidity drop.Adding further holes beyond what I’ve outlined may be needed for some people in humid environments. I recommend widening existing holes slightly before adding new ones.
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Re: Pastywhyte’s Ez dialed monotubs [Re: Pastywhyte]
#28552596 - 11/22/23 09:28 AM (2 months, 5 days ago) |
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So I have a bunch of these small filter stickers lying around. Do you think they would work to keep insects out but allow FAE? How do I know if I need to enlarge holes or add more holes? I live in a very dry environment so I’m more concerned with too little moisture than too much. I’m a first time grower so this is new territory for me.
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Re: Pastywhyte’s Ez dialed monotubs [Re: Pastywhyte]
#28557773 - 11/26/23 09:08 PM (2 months, 18 hours ago) |
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replying so i can save the post
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Re: Pastywhyte’s Ez dialed monos (moved) [Re: Nonagon] 1
#28574846 - 12/08/23 07:16 PM (1 month, 19 days ago) |
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Nonagon said: Pasty’s easy dial is my go-to for full sized tubs, prepared exactly as per the tek. But I’ve seen a lot of posts about scaling down the standard issue easy dial, and figured I’d add this here. I’m sure lots of variations have been discussed throughout the thread.
I experimented with hole configurations and found this to work well for the 27qt version of the same purple latch sterilite tub, regardless of whether it’s two separate trays or one substrate. It’s slightly less than 1/2 the volume of the full sized tub, and holes are sized accordingly.
I added middle holes on each long side, but ended up taping over them to “delete” them… I’d recommend leaving these out. If I did these again I’d start with 1/8”-5/32” holes, as opposed to 3/16”, and increase if needed - Holes are easy to widen and hard to undrill.

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Nonagon said:
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Bustaboo said: That sounds reasonable. I’ve mainly run shoeboxes, but looking at putting multiple shoeboxes in a larger tub that I’ll probably set up for easy dial.
The 27qt Sterilite clearview works well as a half scale easy dial. Same hole configuration as Pasty’s tek but with smaller holes. 5/32”-3/16” is about half the area of a 1/4” hole, to suit a tub of about half the size.
Fits two of these 2qt containers perfectly, with no gaps - Each gets a myco quart @ 1:2


Thank you for this! answered my questions without having to ask them
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Re: Pastywhyte’s Ez dialed monos (moved) [Re: Dirtbaggery]
#28574920 - 12/08/23 08:08 PM (1 month, 19 days ago) |
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Any time pal
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Re: Pastywhyte’s Ez dialed monos (moved) [Re: Nonagon] 1
#28585369 - 12/16/23 01:11 PM (1 month, 12 days ago) |
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hey fellas,
oh man i had so many great tubs with this tek. super grateful. THANK YOU!

but after moving to new location, and meeting winter time with a 25% RH at my location, i'm having real problems making favorable surface conditions. the side of the tubs are well moist and full of condensation, as is the lid of the tub. however, the substrate it self is drying out almost faster than i can moist it. the yields are very sad, and i'm not sure if the solution simply is to MP the holes up? hoping for clues to move forward from this despair
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Re: Pastywhyte’s Ez dialed monos (moved) [Re: incal] 1
#28585475 - 12/16/23 02:43 PM (1 month, 12 days ago) |
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incal said: hey fellas,
oh man i had so many great tubs with this tek. super grateful. THANK YOU!

but after moving to new location, and meeting winter time with a 25% RH at my location, i'm having real problems making favorable surface conditions. the side of the tubs are well moist and full of condensation, as is the lid of the tub. however, the substrate it self is drying out almost faster than i can moist it. the yields are very sad, and i'm not sure if the solution simply is to MP the holes up? hoping for clues to move forward from this despair
I had a similar issue going into winter - RH dropping and sub drying out quicker than during the more humid seasons. Increasing the water content in sub and/or adding MP tape over the holes on the long side should alleviate this.
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