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Asante
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Re: woodlover hunters - you GOT to read this!! [Re: cactu]
#7490941 - 10/06/07 10:22 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Also the cardboard tek is SLOW. I've tried both numerous times and I THOROUGHLY reccommend using BRF cakes to grow woodlover myc, it grows at a similar speed to cubensis. It is by far the quickest way to grow lots of woodlover spawn.
BRF cakes have high speed, this is a great virtue and I'll be the last one to rag on conventional cultivation techniques. But my Woodlover Smoothie TEK, though slower, has simplicity and this is also a great virtue. No pressure cooking, no painstaking sterile technique, just gardening techniques to mimick the spread of mushrooms as it occurs in the wild. Many people are put off by the technicalities and cost of conventional cultivation. Simplicity is a virtue.
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Re: woodlover hunters - you GOT to read this!! [Re: Asante]
#7490968 - 10/06/07 10:38 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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this thread is great. im trying to work out my own tech right now. i dont think washing the wood chips is that big of a deal yo just gotta make sure there "ripe". iv read one tech, the lasanya tech, or somthing. that is like a layered card board wood and mcelium hole. it forms a pretty sollid hold for a whole big family im gonna try to have a few secret comunial patches hidden in the widerness up north.
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Re: woodlover hunters - you GOT to read this!! [Re: notapillow]
#7491350 - 10/06/07 01:05 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hi, just hoping someone could answer my questions. are my Q's stupid or something?
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Asante
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Re: woodlover hunters - you GOT to read this!! [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7491567 - 10/06/07 02:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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In step number 2, How do I go about leaching the woodchips of moisture?
It depends on the quantity you're working with. It can be as simple as filling a pillowcase with wet woodchips and hanging it on a rope for a few hours, or fastening the pilowcase over the open end of your container and putting it on it's side with something under the side so all water will leach out. If you are cultivating on a semi-commercial scale you can make a plateau from a few cinderblocks and a chain linked fence (with frame), cover it with sheets and put your wet chips on that.
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If I buy a spore syringe, for instance of cyans or azures, is there any way to form the mycellium enough so I can without too much hassle continue to follow on this process? (if this is a stupid Q, please forgive me)
If you buy spore syringes, you might as well make "PF cakes" using the "PF TEK". You can learn how on This Page in the words of our own admin Anno. Then when these cakes have fully grown shut, crumble them and mix with leached or fresh hardwood chips.
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Also, If I start this now, will I have fruiting within a couple months? can you do this any time of the year? does it have to be a certain temp?
These are mushrooms that grow in autumn. Its autumn now so you can probably only get mushrooms next autumn. Now is a good time to cultivate though. If you start now (early october) you can have a load of PF jars ready in early december, take these to woodchip spawn in boxes indoors until about early April, and then, weather permitting, use these whitened woodchips to start one or several outdoor beds which might just start forming mushrooms around this time next year. These outdoor beds require virtually no care if you make them right (I never had to water mine) and year after year they will give you a supply of some of the strongest and most pleasurable shrooms in the world.
Cyans are NOTHING like Cubies, the common shroom. Those from my outdoor bed consistently are 2.5-3.5x as strong as cubies, so that one gram can be as strong as 1/8oz of shrooms you buy.
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can you do this any time of the year?
Start now! but the cultivation can be started any time of the year.
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does it have to be a certain temp?
Outdoors it has to be moist and between 5-10'C (40-50'F) for them to fruit. In temperate zones this usually means autumn. Frost stops the fruiting, but it takes a few weeks of hardcore freezer frost to kill the mycelium.
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Do I have to spray it every now and then?
If it stays damp but not overly wet or dry, as little as possible of direct sun and not too hot or cold it will thrive. Last year I watered my outdoor patch with the garden hose. Once woodlovers have taken posession of the wood, they are by no means fragile, woodlovers on wood are diehard survivors.
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How about adding nutrients?
No need. Give woodlovers the right kinds of wood and they are happy. Adding nutrients may backfire as they might make the substrate more susceptible to contaminants.
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my observations [Re: Asante]
#7491782 - 10/06/07 03:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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mild bleach/water solution is a killer to bacteria and molds and yet psilocybe mycelia seem to be fairly tollerant of what little remains residualy in bleach pasteurized wood which has subsequently been dried.
cyans which are growing from wood can easily be pulled out with care and little damage to the patch if one puts two fingers down on the wood/mulch at the base to hold it down as one pulls them out. a healthy and robust stipe base is generaly pulled free, which would otherwise die off, rot and present a possible vector to further competitive or pathogenic organisms. these stipe bases are dense and robust, and if one where not aiming to make spawn, add at the least a small but appreciable quantity to your collections. waste not, want not.
when one emulsifies a surface exposed tissue from a mushroom in water, they introduce all surface contaminations into anaerobic conditions, which promote bacteria, now evenly dispursed throughout the inoculum to flourish, giving such bacteria even footing with the intended organism, at least during the period following inoculation, and conditions continuing to be supportive as long as the spawn remains very moist.
P. cyanescens are aggressive, tollerant of dry conditions and in somewhat dry conditions, will out colonize such molds as i have encountered in the course of guerrilla spawn grneration. they seem also able to survive almost complete drought conditions that can kill off a mold colony completely. in this later case, the mushroom colony will need a period to reactivate vegetatice growth from many vectors of surviving hyphae [i'm assuming it's vegetative hyphae and not some stromal or sclerotial type of structure] whereas the mold is reduced to beginning again from spores. bacteria seem even less tollerant to dry conditions.
my conclusions are that P. cyanescens spawn, not generated under axenic conditions can generaly out preform many contaminant organisms when conditions are drier than one might think appropriate. it may be useful to induce such conditions to prevent the proliferation of many contaminants in outdoor spawn, once detected.
[note: these hypotheses are not scientificaly tested and result rather from my base observations and may be wildly speculative]
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Re: my observations [Re: canid]
#7492667 - 10/06/07 09:06 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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so is the reason they don't grow/survive in southeast Texas the summer heat? because it seems like all winter would be ideal fruiting conditions, at least where I am. It's almost constantly humid and cool/cold from about November to January, and damn cold in January and February, then just cold again in March, warming up in April and May, and damn hot by the end of May. We don't get snow, and rarely get hard freezes.
Seems like one could get indoor spawn going and transfer it to outdoor patches for fruiting purposes, without having to do much to monitor the humidity and temp.
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Re: my observations [Re: PinheadX]
#7493560 - 10/07/07 03:56 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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PinheadX said: so is the reason they don't grow/survive in southeast Texas the summer heat? because it seems like all winter would be ideal fruiting conditions, at least where I am. It's almost constantly humid and cool/cold from about November to January, and damn cold in January and February, then just cold again in March, warming up in April and May, and damn hot by the end of May. We don't get snow, and rarely get hard freezes.
Seems like one could get indoor spawn going and transfer it to outdoor patches for fruiting purposes, without having to do much to monitor the humidity and temp.
I doubt it, our Summer gets pretty hot but the mycelium seem to survive fine.
That's what most people do, except you need to establish the outside bed early so it has a chance to settle down and consolidate. Some people find mushrooms don't even pop up until the second season after you made the patch.
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Re: woodlover hunters - you GOT to read this!! [Re: undergrounder]
#7494090 - 10/07/07 11:31 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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<======wonders if this would work with Gyms. Do you think? may have to see for myself.
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Asante
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Re: woodlover hunters - you GOT to read this!! [Re: akb112211]
#7494547 - 10/07/07 02:01 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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wonders if this would work with Gyms.
I think, definitely. Gyms are so aggressive as to attack whole logs so they'll probably grow well when a smoothie of them is spread in wet woodchips.
The more I read up, the more I think that using bleach can be omitted.
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Re: woodlover hunters - you GOT to read this!! [Re: Asante]
#27152662 - 01/17/21 03:39 AM (3 years, 11 days ago) |
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Has anyone experimented with mixing some pasteurized hardwood sawdust (pellets) in with the smoothie or the woodchips for more surface area?
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This is a 13+yr old thread. Probably get more help if you start a new thread. I don’t see why pasteurized pellets wouldn’t help...
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Edited by Nitro87 (01/17/21 06:17 AM)
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Re: woodlover hunters - you GOT to read this!! [Re: Nitro87]
#28510323 - 10/19/23 08:52 AM (3 months, 7 days ago) |
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I was wondering if such smoothie can be made out of a clean, 100% colonized agar plate with woodlover mycelium. As in, instead of using a mushroom/fruit, I blend a colonized agar puck and then use that smoothie to inoculate fermented woodchips.
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Re: woodlover hunters - you GOT to read this!! [Re: Sentiklos]
#28510333 - 10/19/23 09:19 AM (3 months, 7 days ago) |
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In my experience mycelium on agar is weak for going straight to wood. It can work, but if your got good clean agar cultures you’ve got something you can take to grain. However, if you’re like me you’ve got far more plates than you’ll need for grain so why not give it a try. I have had ovoid fruits from where I’ve jammed a plate right into a chip bed, and I have colonized sterile wood chips with agar though it’s far from what I put attention and energy towards, I keep plates in my vehicle so when I find a chip bed I’ll jam them in, better use than the thrash. I know there’s other members whove done quite a bit with agar straight to wood. I’m actually glad you bumped this, now that my patches are starting to grow and should probably try out this smoothy tek.
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Re: woodlover hunters - you GOT to read this!! [Re: Land Trout]
#28510542 - 10/19/23 01:24 PM (3 months, 7 days ago) |
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Land Trout said: I’m actually glad you bumped this, now that my patches are starting to grow and should probably try out this smoothy tek.
Me too !! For the 99 of the 100 perfect areas I searched in the last week where they were not there (yet) ; )
I’m thinking smoothies into a bucket and adding (I’m a woodworker) fine sawdust until it’s a thick paste I can broadcast snowball style during heavy rains to wash the sawdust down into chipped areas
I’ve never tried bleach , I’ve been using the tek. I read on here (of course ) of chips in 5g bucket, add boiling water- cover top w/ new trash bag (holds in steam) cover w/ a few bath towels and wrap sides of bucket too ( just to keep heat in) and let sit overnight to kill the enemies and a helluva start softening/ breaking down the fibers - then emptied into gunny sack to hang a few hrs to drip/leach . Idk how much it helps, but in my head it helps….so I do ; )
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Re: woodlover hunters - you GOT to read this!! [Re: Dilligaf.360]
#28512045 - 10/20/23 03:57 PM (3 months, 6 days ago) |
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I'm fairly new to foraging as well as cultivation. Serendipitously I happened to find a nice cluster of Gyms last week and I used some of the older caps to blend into a silky-smooth paste which I then diluted into a watering can. I poured it into all my shaded mulch beds, the water was crazy vibrant orange from all the spores! Kinda funny how I did this and then discovered this thread haha.
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Re: woodlover hunters - you GOT to read this!! [Re: Harshshroom]
#28532662 - 11/07/23 08:55 AM (2 months, 19 days ago) |
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Sooo, as I work this thru in my head and maybe my hands…. Can one of you real deep myco-heads help with a few?’s Blending with bottled water, then sucking it up into ~ 40ml syringes - how soon would it start losing viability? How long until it loses all or most viability?
Aaaaand Would adding anything to the blend be beneficial either to the length or strength of its vitality? Like a specific sugar , brewers yeast , LME ??
( like for dispersion straight to habitat in microclimates well enough to get to growth before weather could maybe ruin its chances)
Thanks for any insight y’alls !!
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Re: woodlover hunters - you GOT to read this!! [Re: Dilligaf.360] 1
#28543745 - 11/15/23 08:52 AM (2 months, 11 days ago) |
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  Goin for it. Blended cyanescens, allenii, and subaruginosa, so they can have a big hot horny multiracial orgy together.
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Re: woodlover hunters - you GOT to read this!! [Re: Land Trout]
#28545161 - 11/16/23 10:58 AM (2 months, 10 days ago) |
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Land Trout said:
  Goin for it. Blended cyanescens, allenii, and subaruginosa, so they can have a big hot horny multiracial orgy together.
I’m not s’pose to see internet porn like that !! It triggers me
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Re: woodlover hunters - you GOT to read this!! [Re: Dilligaf.360]
#28545300 - 11/16/23 01:26 PM (2 months, 10 days ago) |
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Dilligaf.360 said:
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Land Trout said:
  Goin for it. Blended cyanescens, allenii, and subaruginosa, so they can have a big hot horny multiracial orgy together.
I’m not s’pose to see internet porn like that !! It triggers me
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