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New York launches Internet Surveillance System to "protect" against "Anti-Semitism"
#28544143 - 11/15/23 03:06 PM (2 months, 11 days ago) |
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In response to a protest (Comprised of 200 Jews) against the genocide of the Palestinian people in Gaza, governor Kathy Hochul of New York is creating a statewide surveillance system to "combat anti-semitism". They're going to monitor/police social media of New York citizens...
This is the "Major Incident" at Grand Central Station that she is referring to:
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LOCAL NEWS Over 200 arrested at Grand Central Terminal during rally for ceasefire in Gaza. NEW YORK -- Hundreds of demonstrators took over Grand Central Terminal on Friday, calling for a ceasefire in the Israel-Hamas war. More than 200 were arrested.
Hundreds of demonstrators from a Jewish activist group made their way into Grand Central Terminal's main concourse and staged a sit-in during rush hour.
The group, Jewish Voice for Peace, demanded a ceasefire in Gaza on a day Israeli military forces increased incursions.
"Right now, you are hearing thousands of Jewish New Yorkers who are raising our voices so clear that our safety can never come at the expense of another community's safety," Jewish Voice for Peace spokesperson Jay Saper said.
"So many people are grieving, and we believe that life is precious. And right now, the way that we can take action to save lives, is to have a ceasefire to stop the bombing of Palestinians," said one Israeli American.
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Embedded within the dozen bills and hundreds of line items that make up her plan for next year’s state budget, Hochul’s administration has proposed tens of millions of dollars and several new initiatives to expand state policing and investigative power, including agencies’ ability to surveil New Yorkers and gather intelligence on people not yet suspected of breaking the law.
Among Hochul’s proposals are a new statewide system of police intelligence gathering centers, which would engage in mass surveillance, and whose model hinges on the use of unproven forensic science. Other proposals include funds for new law enforcement social media surveillance personnel, the expansion of existing police intelligence gathering and sharing efforts, and most likely technology that downloads the full contents of people’s cellphones, on top of millions of dollars for more street policing.
“All we’ve seen from this type of information sharing is not any kind of reduction in crime or increased safety,” said Elizabeth Daniel Vasquez, director of the Science and Surveillance Project at Brooklyn Defender Services, “but instead an overarching cataloging of our Black and brown communities.”
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This woman is a terrible speaker. She doesn't enunciate words very well. Anyways, she's also creating a "hate and bias prevention unit" to combat what they call anti-semitism. This is something I would be fine with, if anti-semitism wasn't synonymous with criticism of Israel's policy toward Palestine. They're investing $50 million in this project.
She said they're going to be very active, and go into communities throughout the state, "educating people".
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Re: New York launches Internet Surveillance System to "protect" against "Anti-Semitism" [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#28544165 - 11/15/23 03:29 PM (2 months, 11 days ago) |
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They're talking about technology that can download your entire cellphone. I don't know how they can do this shit legally... They are targeting people who aren't even suspected of crimes...
It reminds me of "stop and frisk"... Something that just seems on it's face to be government overreach.
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Re: New York launches Internet Surveillance System to "protect" against "Anti-Semitism" [Re: Bigbadwooof] 1
#28544213 - 11/15/23 04:14 PM (2 months, 11 days ago) |
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Unfortunately, it is the position of the US government that anti-Zionism is antisemitism. That was made pretty clear with the continued proliferation of anti-BDS laws across the country.
Which in my mind is simply using Jews as human shields.
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Re: New York launches Internet Surveillance System to "protect" against "Anti-Semitism" [Re: Kryptos]
#28544256 - 11/15/23 04:48 PM (2 months, 11 days ago) |
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Can't the government just buy that shit/data from a third party? I havent read much about it but it seems a way around getting a warrant. Something thay maybe should be clarified....seizing data vs buying it.
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Re: New York launches Internet Surveillance System to "protect" against "Anti-Semitism" [Re: Bigbadwooof] 1
#28544345 - 11/15/23 05:52 PM (2 months, 11 days ago) |
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Get used to it. According to a person I trust very much with this, both the US and China as well as a few others, are quickly approaching the capability to monitor all speech over cellphones in real time in any language. Thanks AI.
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Re: New York launches Internet Surveillance System to "protect" against "Anti-Semitism" [Re: SirTripAlot]
#28544346 - 11/15/23 05:52 PM (2 months, 11 days ago) |
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I'm guessing that's what they're gonna do with the budget increase.
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Re: New York launches Internet Surveillance System to "protect" against "Anti-Semitism" [Re: Ice9] 2
#28544436 - 11/15/23 06:39 PM (2 months, 11 days ago) |
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Everyone should randomly pick up their phones and ramble incoherent shit twice a day.... make it more difficult for them.
"Bomb chicken wings purple dingle dangles on my fisting day" or something like that.
Looks like hand written notes, physically handed and burned after reading would still be the safest way (private) to communicate....thats gonna be fun.
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Re: New York launches Internet Surveillance System to "protect" against "Anti-Semitism" [Re: SirTripAlot] 1
#28544511 - 11/15/23 07:32 PM (2 months, 11 days ago) |
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The problem with that tactic is technology scales much better than humans.
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Re: New York launches Internet Surveillance System to "protect" against "Anti-Semitism" [Re: Ice9] 1
#28544646 - 11/15/23 10:05 PM (2 months, 10 days ago) |
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So not having a cell phone all but guarantees more privacy but comes with being ostracized from society. I type this on a PC, and if it was possible, I would omit a cell from my life, but thats just not in the cards.
We have never been here before though, the culmination of thoughts and intent via communication culminated and analyzed instantaneously...worldwide. What could possibly go wrong....what a tool for anything political.... its gonna be great like when we split the atom.
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Re: New York launches Internet Surveillance System to "protect" against "Anti-Semitism" [Re: SirTripAlot] 1
#28544707 - 11/16/23 12:38 AM (2 months, 10 days ago) |
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I've found myself leaving my phone at home more and more often lately.
It's becoming worse at its intended function, since everything is ads now. Used to be you could Google a place to eat or something, but now it's basically faster to drive around and find a place.
Unless you wanna pay the extra 30% door dash upcharge, or get sponsored ads for the taco bell on the other side of town.
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Re: New York launches Internet Surveillance System to "protect" against "Anti-Semitism" [Re: Kryptos]
#28544793 - 11/16/23 05:10 AM (2 months, 10 days ago) |
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Kryptos said: Unfortunately, it is the position of the US government that anti-Zionism is antisemitism. That was made pretty clear with the continued proliferation of anti-BDS laws across the country.
Anti-BDS laws don't seem legal... I want to read more about it, because I can see it being legal to make laws that prevent state governments from boycotting Israeli goods, or something like that, but you can't force people not to boycott something. That's our right, and I don't see how it would be enforceable anyway.
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Which in my mind is simply using Jews as human shields.
Ooooooh!!!
 
Lol... The wiki page calls anti-bds laws "Lawfare"... I've never heard that term before.
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SirTripAlot said: Can't the government just buy that shit/data from a third party? I havent read much about it but it seems a way around getting a warrant. Something thay maybe should be clarified....seizing data vs buying it.
I know that the Federal Government does this. As far as I have understood it, there's never been a way for anyone to actually download your entire phone's contents. I wonder if they're going to be indiscriminately stealing the content of people's phones without them knowing? How the hell could they even do that? Hmm..
I'm at the point where any time the government tells me they are doing something to protect me, or for my safety, I instinctively assume they are trying to take away my rights. People need to understand that the government fundamentally does not give a SHIT about you, or your safety. That's always the guise by which they take away your rights.
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Re: New York launches Internet Surveillance System to "protect" against "Anti-Semitism" [Re: Ice9]
#28544800 - 11/16/23 05:24 AM (2 months, 10 days ago) |
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Ice9 said: Get used to it. According to a person I trust very much with this, both the US and China as well as a few others, are quickly approaching the capability to monitor all speech over cellphones in real time in any language. Thanks AI.
I wonder if using Tails/TOR + a VPN, and accessing the darknet are the solution to these privacy concerns, though I do think AI will eventually be able to track people, even with these precautions. We need a legal framework that protects people from the government, but it's very unlikely that we will ever get that. The fact that we have such an amazing constitution in this country is so incredibly unlikely and wonderful. Originally, it wasn't even meant to be applied to all people.
I heard one of the presidential candidates suggesting that the USPS should provide email, because then the government would need a warrant to search it. Idk how far that would go as a solution, but it was an interesting idea.
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Re: New York launches Internet Surveillance System to "protect" against "Anti-Semitism" [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#28544809 - 11/16/23 05:46 AM (2 months, 10 days ago) |
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I would think there is a good deal of government alphabet agencies in the whole dark net and VPN space, for obvious reasons. I don't know, never fucked with the darknet...anything advertised as off the books seems highly suspect for me.
-------------------- “I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”
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Re: New York launches Internet Surveillance System to "protect" against "Anti-Semitism" [Re: SirTripAlot]
#28544811 - 11/16/23 05:49 AM (2 months, 10 days ago) |
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SirTripAlot said: I would think there is a good deal of government alphabet agencies in the whole dark net and VPN space, for obvious reasons. I don't know, never fucked with the darknet...anything advertised as off the books seems highly suspect for me.
I've purchased relatively pure cocaine, and pure amphetamine powder off the darknet. Everything went perfectly, and the product was amazing. That was quite some time ago, though. Bitcoin was selling at around $500 a coin, and I thought that was preposterous.
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Re: New York launches Internet Surveillance System to "protect" against "Anti-Semitism" [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#28545102 - 11/16/23 10:08 AM (2 months, 10 days ago) |
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Bigbadwooof said:
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Kryptos said: Unfortunately, it is the position of the US government that anti-Zionism is antisemitism. That was made pretty clear with the continued proliferation of anti-BDS laws across the country.
Anti-BDS laws don't seem legal... I want to read more about it, because I can see it being legal to make laws that prevent state governments from boycotting Israeli goods, or something like that, but you can't force people not to boycott something. That's our right, and I don't see how it would be enforceable anyway.
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Which in my mind is simply using Jews as human shields.
Ooooooh!!!
 
Lol... The wiki page calls anti-bds laws "Lawfare"... I've never heard that term before.
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SirTripAlot said: Can't the government just buy that shit/data from a third party? I havent read much about it but it seems a way around getting a warrant. Something thay maybe should be clarified....seizing data vs buying it.
I know that the Federal Government does this. As far as I have understood it, there's never been a way for anyone to actually download your entire phone's contents. I wonder if they're going to be indiscriminately stealing the content of people's phones without them knowing? How the hell could they even do that? Hmm..
I'm at the point where any time the government tells me they are doing something to protect me, or for my safety, I instinctively assume they are trying to take away my rights. People need to understand that the government fundamentally does not give a SHIT about you, or your safety. That's always the guise by which they take away your rights.
I mean, the state can't stop you from doing BDS, they can stop doing business with you, though. That seems legit. Iffy, but legit.
I also take issue with the idea that the government doesn't care about your safety. It very much does, because dead taxpayers don't pay taxes. The problem is that people assume it means the government cares about individual safety...which it does not. It cares about the aggregate safety of the population. Omelet, breaking a few eggs.
Which is why safety lies in becoming part of the faceless aggregate.
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