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Choiceless Awareness
    #28539972 - 11/12/23 09:40 AM (2 months, 15 days ago)

Any of you heard of choiceless awareness?

What I hate:
Overview of Law #31: Control the Options: Get Others to Play with the Cards You Deal. To deceive people, seem to give them a meaningful choice. But sharply limit their options to a few that work in your favor regardless of which they choose. Your victims will feel in control, but you'll pull the strings.

Do any of you have people in your life who try to control your options?  Kind of like, do you want this or do you want that?

I'm a bit sick of choosing from some limited options that are presented to me, it feels like I'm being controlled in a malign way. Malignant choice is how I would describe some of my relationships. I guess it's the price we pay for being dependent on others. They can deal your options, and you've got not choice but to pick one or the other, and neither one seems like a good fit.


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C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know."

"I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung

Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti

"All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]


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Re: Choiceless Awareness [Re: Cory Duchesne]
    #28540016 - 11/12/23 10:13 AM (2 months, 15 days ago)

Sounds like a marketing trick, Carnival slight of hand etc.
Tell them you already made your choices, and none of them include what they are offering.


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Re: Choiceless Awareness [Re: Cory Duchesne]
    #28540117 - 11/12/23 11:24 AM (2 months, 15 days ago)

What are you dependent on them for? Does it involve the choices you are being offered?

Choiceless awareness is nice if you have the viewpoint that any choice you make is the choice you ultimately would make anyway. Saves a lot of time and anxiety of making a decision.

Like RGV said if you have the choice of saying no and limiting people with these traits in your life pick that option.


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Re: Choiceless Awareness [Re: cubedryeguy]
    #28540134 - 11/12/23 11:40 AM (2 months, 15 days ago)

What I love about collection day is it is a freedom from choice. Action without choice. Awareness without choice. Yes, I'm aware of the garbage. I'm taking the compost bin and garbage to the curb because it's the right thing to do, not because someone gave me a choice. Kind of like cleaning the toilet. It's not a choice that it gathers filth, and the urge to clean is a choiceless state of needing Cleanliness.

Cleanliness is one of the basic needs of life, I don't see how needs are choices.

Anyways, I can't get away from the person in question, she's really good at controlling the options and presenting choices that seem to be a distraction from 'regular basis'.  I'm a regular basis kind of guy, and I don't believe choosing from choices other people give us is any kind of life worth living and it's not much of a relationship.


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C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know."

"I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung

Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti

"All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]


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Re: Choiceless Awareness [Re: cubedryeguy]
    #28540141 - 11/12/23 11:44 AM (2 months, 15 days ago)

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cubedryeguy said:
What are you dependent on them for?




Transportation, food, family. I kind of got my self stuck in a holding pattern, community treatment order (CTO) and the choices that are presented to me seem to be a distraction from wellness. Financially I'm up shits creek and would like to end my suffering but it's a bit by bit, day by day, hour by hour creeping kind of existence. Time goes by really slowly and I don't seem to have enough to do.


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C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know."

"I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung

Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti

"All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]


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Re: Choiceless Awareness [Re: cubedryeguy]
    #28540282 - 11/12/23 12:57 PM (2 months, 15 days ago)

31 GET OTHERS TO PLAY WITH THE CARDS YOU DEAL | The 48 Laws of Power | Animated Book Summary



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C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know."

"I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung

Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti

"All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]


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Re: Choiceless Awareness [Re: Cory Duchesne]
    #28540610 - 11/12/23 04:31 PM (2 months, 14 days ago)

If you truly can’t get away from a person or the situation and the choices presented are all equally suffering inducing then just flip a coin. You at least save yourself the stress and anxiety of making a decision.

Work on little victories each day that are within your control. Little steps can lead to better choices and outcomes that are presented along the way.

For myself financially I’m trying to cut out all the unnecessary purchases until I feel like I’m on better footing. Even skipping something as simple as a $2 drink here and there.

Of course none of this takes away the suffering immediately but a little space is always more comfortable.

I’ve been up and down shit creek myself and can always smell it nearby. Best of luck!


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Re: Choiceless Awareness [Re: cubedryeguy]
    #28540829 - 11/12/23 07:50 PM (2 months, 14 days ago)

very empowering


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Re: Choiceless Awareness [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28540924 - 11/12/23 08:52 PM (2 months, 14 days ago)

It’s the only whey

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Re: Choiceless Awareness [Re: Cory Duchesne]
    #28541010 - 11/12/23 11:09 PM (2 months, 14 days ago)

At the start of this year I chose not to be responsible for the emotional security of another person and it's been a liberating experience so far.

But if that wasn't an option and I had a cto.. It's hard to say.

It's not quite a deprivation of liberty, but it doesn't sound like freedom.

Is it the interactions with community mental health engagements or personal endeavours you're struggling with?



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Re: Choiceless Awareness [Re: sudly]
    #28541131 - 11/13/23 05:44 AM (2 months, 14 days ago)

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Is it the interactions with community mental health engagements or personal endeavours you're struggling with?





The nurses and doctors make lots of suggestions and ask lots of questions about whether or not I'm getting enough food. It's a lot of financial probing, trying to gauge my access to food and transportation and steer me in various directions such as the food bank. Sometimes they make suggestions about things I'm already doing. Imagine going to therapy CBT, and then later a nurse asks, 'have you considered therapy?"  The medical establishment as it's combined with the financial institution of the state has no memory, so it's like De Ja Vu all over again. Family members tend to put me in the double bind asking me questions that yes, require a coin toss. Chance, 50-50 toss, as it relates to intelligent orderly functioning, eats away at my sanity.


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C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know."

"I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung

Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti

"All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]


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Re: Choiceless Awareness [Re: Cory Duchesne]
    #28541162 - 11/13/23 06:52 AM (2 months, 14 days ago)

I think the food bank is a good source of protein and drinks


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Re: Choiceless Awareness [Re: sudly]
    #28541240 - 11/13/23 08:42 AM (2 months, 14 days ago)

Art, Animation and Waste:



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C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know."

"I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung

Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti

"All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]


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Re: Choiceless Awareness [Re: Cory Duchesne] * 1
    #28541911 - 11/13/23 08:19 PM (2 months, 13 days ago)

Is choiceless awareness associated with learned helplessness?

Just kidding.  I think the pairing of the two terms has a musical quality to it.  I'm employed at a school assisting a 2nd grade teacher.  There are many significant behavior challenges, with aggressive disruptive kids jumping on tables, hitting other students, shouting, and throwing shoes. It's mayhem. 

I'm reading a book on classroom management, and providing clear choices is featured.  This empowers the child to determine the path the teacher will take.  You can do A and this will happen, or you can do B this will happen. Yes, it's a form of control.  It teaches the kids they make choices that will affect them. It's one way to teach consequences.  Many adults never fully learned this.


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Re: Choiceless Awareness [Re: Cory Duchesne]
    #28542107 - 11/13/23 10:43 PM (2 months, 13 days ago)

Quote:

Cory Duchesne said:
Quote:


Is it the interactions with community mental health engagements or personal endeavours you're struggling with?





The nurses and doctors make lots of suggestions and ask lots of questions about whether or not I'm getting enough food. It's a lot of financial probing, trying to gauge my access to food and transportation and steer me in various directions such as the food bank. Sometimes they make suggestions about things I'm already doing. Imagine going to therapy CBT, and then later a nurse asks, 'have you considered therapy?"  The medical establishment as it's combined with the financial institution of the state has no memory, so it's like De Ja Vu all over again. Family members tend to put me in the double bind asking me questions that yes, require a coin toss. Chance, 50-50 toss, as it relates to intelligent orderly functioning, eats away at my sanity.




Got a bit too loose I imagine..

Are you allowed to leave?


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Re: Choiceless Awareness [Re: sudly]
    #28542163 - 11/14/23 12:00 AM (2 months, 13 days ago)

identity may interfere with survival of the inner self and the outer body


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Re: Choiceless Awareness [Re: sudly]
    #28544915 - 11/16/23 07:17 AM (2 months, 11 days ago)

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Got a bit too loose I imagine..





That's an accurate way to describe my mind and it's relationship to other minds. It's a go faster, go quicker, go harder mentality. It's a roar of aggression to really go, whether through work, play, anything, it's a demand that doesn't lie softly on my ears. 

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Are you allowed to leave?




That question reminds me of a situation in an Ashram in India:


My younger brother once came to the ashram. He was not in the habit of drinking tea or coffee and generally refused when he was offered some. When the afternoon cup of coffee was distributed, he asked to be excused. He was told that he must drink it, for all food given in the ashram, he was informed, was Bhagavan’s Prasad and cannot be refused.
My brother went straight to Bhagavan and said, “They say that coffee is your Prasad. I am not accustomed to coffee and I do not like it.’
Bhagavan answered, ‘I never ask for coffee. Whether I like it or not, people make me drink coffee, say that coffee is my prasad, and then drink coffee to their heart’s content. They also induce others to drink it, saying that if they refuse, they refuse my prasad.’ (Bhagavan’s Prasad)

I can only understand reality through idols and role models. I tend to do what I see other people doing. I'm not sure I lived a single day where I didn't think about a role model or idol. I suppose I could make a mountain or tree my guru, to visualize the mountain when I meditate. I'm a prisoner in my mind. Food, ingestion, is one of the mechanisms of control, as is sleep.


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C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know."

"I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung

Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti

"All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]


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