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Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog * 1
    #28542658 - 11/14/23 01:10 PM (6 months, 20 hours ago)

Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog
November 14, 2023 - The Messenger

Bryn Spejcher, 32, had her charges downgraded from murder to involuntary manslaughter after a psychiatrist backed her defense

An "animal lover" who is accused of fatally stabbing her boyfriend 108 times then killing her dog has had her charges reduced from murder to involuntary manslaughter after a psychiatrist testified that "cannabis-induced psychosis" caused her to kill.

Bryn Spejcher, 32, clutched a photo of herself with her pup, a husky, during jury selection last week in Ventura County.

The audiologist allegedly smoked marijuana from a bong before plunging three knives — including an 8-inch serrated bread knife — into her boyfriend Chad O'Melia 108 times, according to the Ventura County Star.

The purportedly weed-spurred killing occurred inside O'Melia's condominium in Thousand Oaks, and the victim had stab wounds to nearly every part of his body, according to investigators.

Prosecutors say she then killed her dog with one of the knives before stabbing herself.

Responding police said she continued stabbing herself even as an officer used his stun gun on, trying to stop her. She only dropped the knife after another officer hit her nine times with his retractable steel baton.

Surgeons managed to save her life.

Her defense team contends that Spejcher was in the midst of a marijuana-induced psychosis the night she killed O'Melia and her pooch.

Recreational pot use was legalized in California after voters approved a 2016 ballot measure. For two decades before that, it was available for medical use with a doctor's note.

Spejcher confessed to police and was charged with murder. But last month, Judge David Worley approved a motion from prosecutors, seeking to have the charge reduced to involuntary manslaughter, reports the Thousand Oaks Acorn.

Her maximum possible sentence was reduced from 25 years to just four.

The decision followed the district attorney's receipt of Spejcher's psychological evaluations. Experts have suggested in court filings Spejcher's decision to harm her dog had to have resulted from a psychotic episode, as she's an "animal lover."

O'Melia's family staunchly opposed the move, and continues to insist Spejcher be charged with murder.

O'Melia and Spejcher had met at a dog park and were only dating a few weeks at the time of his killing. She was 27 and he was 26.

Spejcher allegedly told police that, after smoking the pot, she'd had an out-of-body experience, and thought she was dead. Voices then started telling her to save herself, she needed to kill O'Melia, according to police.

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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: veggie] * 5
    #28543289 - 11/14/23 08:26 PM (6 months, 12 hours ago)

This sets a very bad precedent, we all know that when a person smokes weed they still have control of what they do. This is going to make it easier for someone else to get away with murder.

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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: sk8fast] * 2
    #28543573 - 11/15/23 03:09 AM (6 months, 6 hours ago)

4 years for murder, 10 for drugs.
Welcome to America i guess?


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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: veggie]
    #28543702 - 11/15/23 08:00 AM (6 months, 1 hour ago)

Such bullshit
Nobody tht I know even fights on cannabis


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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: oursoulsinmotion]
    #28544029 - 11/15/23 01:18 PM (5 months, 30 days ago)

Bullsh*t cannabis didn’t induce a murder spree she was just crazy as hell to begin with. Don’t blame these plant medicines for evil.

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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: veggie] * 1
    #28544487 - 11/15/23 07:11 PM (5 months, 30 days ago)

There's gotta be more to this story.
Did the defendant sleep with the judge or something?

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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake] * 1
    #28544579 - 11/15/23 08:31 PM (5 months, 30 days ago)

Is there any documented cases of cannabis induced temporary psychosis?  I know it can reveal mild schizophrenia symptoms in people, but I've never once in my entire life heard of cannabis solely causing a psychotic break in someone.

Like maybe it was the straw that broke the camels back, but it's never the last straw that breaks the camels back, it's all the straw underneath it.  And somehow this becoming a legal argument to drop her charges... what the fuck?

That's fucking insane that one single psychologist is enough for her to get her murder charges downgraded.  Is this the first ever documented case of cannabis induced psychosis resulting in murder in history?  If so, odds are it wasn't the cannabis.

I can't believe this bitch convinced someone she was actually crazy in order to get her sentence reduced, but the legal system does sway that way.

Regardless, it's still insane to me that people will get more time in prison for possessing drugs then this bitch will get for murdering someone.

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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: Typerwritermonky]
    #28544772 - 11/16/23 04:00 AM (5 months, 30 days ago)

It was laced IMO. Probably DMT or something. Maybe dudes roomamtes or their random friends used his bong while he was at work.

  I can't believe they didn't test the bong stem after finding the low 4% THC weed that they smoked, and also hearing testimony from the guys roommate that he also hit the bong for the first time and seen the walls moving, and started freaking out too, etc.

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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: veggie]
    #28544773 - 11/16/23 04:02 AM (5 months, 30 days ago)

Holy Shit.......Holy Shit. Gross.


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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: PsillySeeEms] * 1
    #28544805 - 11/16/23 05:41 AM (5 months, 30 days ago)

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It was laced IMO. Probably DMT or something. Maybe dudes roomamtes or their random friends used his bong while he was at work.

  I can't believe they didn't test the bong stem after finding the low 4% THC weed that they smoked, and also hearing testimony from the guys roommate that he also hit the bong for the first time and seen the walls moving, and started freaking out too, etc.




Naah DMT is too grounding and too short duration.
Theoretically could be salvia, it has weird effects on some people but IDK, i had only good experience on it.


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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: veggie]
    #28545794 - 11/16/23 09:03 PM (5 months, 29 days ago)

People should really stop blaming drugs for their own fucked up personalities and thoughts. She'll be forced to exhibit as much apologetic and remorseful behavior as possible because her dopamine sources have been forcefully taken away by being arrested. She would have to be clinically insane to continue acting the homicidal angry way after being arrested, which would imply that it wasn't anything caused by the cannabis.

Sure, drugs can be bad. Drugs are bad... for BAD PEOPLE.

I've used and been addicted to crack/cocaine, meth, heroin, and the legal drugs like tobacco, alcohol, and coffee, and used cannabis frequently since I was like 18, but right now, I haven't used any cannabis in like 3 months.

Never caused problems for anyone while under the influence or addicted to drugs. It's strange that even though someone who is guilty of a crime is not going to get out of it or get a lenient sentence if they were confirmed to be under the influence of drug(s) yet there is always someone saying how the drugs were the cause, just like in this news article's title. These stupid idiotic people are not difficult to understand or figure out. So it's dumb as shit to try and blame a drug. It doesn't really make any sense for everyone to claim that a drug caused it, yet the criminal will still face the same consequences as someone who did what they did while sober. The use of a drug does not explain homicidal behavior, and when murderers are confirmed to have not used drugs when they murdered, people don't know what to think. Although I do think it's possible that someone could be so unhealthy that when they take a drug, it could cause some serious problems because they are trying to make their body do something that it just may not be able to do. A long time ago at some point in my life when I was just not taking care of myself or eating right and was depressed, I noticed that certain drugs seem to cause me to very quickly develop symptoms of mental illness. Like over the course of a few days, that was when I realized that being unhealthy and using drugs can nearly instantly cause symptoms of mental illness. My only symptoms weren't anything violent or crazy, just having really depressing/unhappy/strange/weird thoughts, feelings and experiences that I don't remember ever having before.

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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: veggie] * 2
    #28546075 - 11/17/23 06:20 AM (5 months, 29 days ago)

Maybe she was smoking spice?


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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: oursoulsinmotion]
    #28546550 - 11/17/23 02:15 PM (5 months, 28 days ago)

Everyone seems to be using anecdotes to disprove her position. Just because you've not experienced something like this doesn't mean it couldn't happen. This guy shot his wife after eating THC gummies. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/denver-man-who-said-marijuana-made-him-kill-his-wife-n744056
There was some history of schizophrenia in his family. I imagine if Bryn's history were looked into, something similar might turn up. It might be worth investigating whether or not she's had any episodes or indication of something like schizophrenia prior to this event.

Atorvastatin is said to be the most prescribed prescription drug, but carries the risk of kidney, liver, and muscle damage. It is safe for a majority of users. Some people get fucked up from using it. They same is true for marijuana. The substance is under-studied and the rare adverse reactions are over-reported. Ultimately, I doubt anyone's position on the substance is changed much. People who were opposed are still opposed. Those in favor still are. I don't think it's good form to attack the woman in this story. She's lost her boyfriend, her dog, and almost killed herself.

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This part is interesting.
"Spejcher confessed to police and was charged with murder. But last month, Judge David Worley approved a motion from prosecutors, seeking to have the charge reduced to involuntary manslaughter, reports the Thousand Oaks Acorn."

Seems the reduction in charges originated with the prosecution


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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenericHero]
    #28547667 - 11/18/23 09:28 AM (5 months, 27 days ago)

Prosecutors realized they wouldn't get murder charges to stick so they motioned to have the charges lowered to involuntary manslaughter to get those to stick.  Classic tactic.

But there is no fucking way prosecutors submitted this evidence.  This is reaction to the defense claiming psychosis and act of insanity.

Cannabis doesn't cause people to kill people, even schizophrenic people.  You don't just smoke weed and then start murdering people.  These people are sick in the head and should be institutionalized for at least a decade, they'd have murdered them anyway.

It's just selfish ass people wanting less consequences and not giving a fuck what they have to do to get it.  Honestly I used to have so much more compassion but these days I say just turn them to mulch or soylent green.

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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: Typerwritermonky]
    #28547764 - 11/18/23 10:57 AM (5 months, 27 days ago)

The woman in this story is worse than the average murderer.
She stabbed the guy 108 times.  That's dedication.  That takes a lot of energy and effort and persistence.
And to top it off, she stabbed the poor dog to death.
This person is the epitome of evil and should get death penalty.

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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake] * 1
    #28548181 - 11/18/23 04:46 PM (5 months, 27 days ago)

I'll take undiagnosed pre-existing conditions for $1000 Alex.


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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: veggie]
    #28549703 - 11/19/23 10:59 PM (5 months, 26 days ago)

Well, it’s a good thing that we’re past the point where people will believe anything like this.
It’s been a long time since marijuana madness was shown as a play.
I heard of some dude who brought a gun to a festival. Took a bunch of mushrooms. Then decided to go back to the tent and start murdering people with his gun.

That asshole got arrested too. No one’s buying “the drugs made me do it” excuse anymore.

As long as we don’t let anybody become the scapegoat. Psychedelics should be legalized in this country soon.

Dumb ass holes like this will be probably the only thing that could get that taken away.
But even the guy who tried to crash a plane while on mushrooms. Still is responsible for trying to crash a plane. The mushrooms are not responsible for making him crash a plane.

Bunch of Chuds. They should have an extra 5 years put onto their sentences anytime someone tries to claim “the drugs did it, not me.”

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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28551838 - 11/21/23 05:18 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

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Prosecutors realized they wouldn't get murder charges to stick so they motioned to have the charges lowered to involuntary manslaughter to get those to stick.  Classic tactic.




If there were evidence enough to convict her of murder they would pursue those charges.
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But there is no fucking way prosecutors submitted this evidence.  This is reaction to the defense claiming psychosis and act of insanity.



Right, because it's basically a get out of jail free card. Insanity plea represents 1% of all court cases and of those only 25% are successful.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/law-disorder/202002/not-guilty-reason-insanity?amp

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Cannabis doesn't cause people to kill people, even schizophrenic people.  You don't just smoke weed and then start murdering people.  These people are sick in the head and should be institutionalized for at least a decade, they'd have murdered them anyway.



You got proofs for these claims?

"Cannabis is involved in approximately 50% of psychosis, schizophrenia, and schizophreniform psychosis cases. Cannabis is a known risk factor for schizophrenia, although the exact neurobiological process through which the effects on psychosis occur is not well understood."https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3927252/#:~:text=TRANSITION%20TO%20PSYCHOSIS%20AND%20CANNABIS,occur%20is%20not%20well%20understood.
"the consumption of marijuana is associated with an increase in violent behavior over the course of an individual’s lifespan, a high risk of psychosis for frequent users..."
"According to research studies, marijuana use causes aggressive behavior, causes or exacerbates psychosis, and produces paranoia. These effects have been illustrated through case studies of highly publicized incidents and heightened political profiles.

These cases contain examples of repeated illustrations of aggression, psychosis and paranoia by marijuana users and intoxication. Ultimately, without the use and intoxication of marijuana, the poor judgment and misperceptions displayed by these individuals would not have been present, reducing the risk for actions that result in senseless deaths."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7084484/

She seemed to be managing before she used marijuana. There's absolutely no way to prove she would've killed without it. Then, when she used it, everything went sideways. Wonder what the reason could be.
As for "You don't just smoke weed and then start murdering people" ever hear of gangs?
"Other research on drug use among gang members reveals some similar substance use patterns reported on here. For instance, several studies have indicated marijuana is the most commonly used illegal drug, whereby over 90% of the samples reported such use."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4160842/#:~:text=Other%20research%20on%20drug%20use,et%20al.%2C%202006).
It is said that 13% of murders in the United States are gang related.
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It's just selfish ass people wanting less consequences and not giving a fuck what they have to do to get it.  Honestly I used to have so much more compassion but these days I say just turn them to mulch or soylent green.




The "ass" is the one from which you've pulled all these assumptions.

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The woman in this story is worse than the average murderer.
She stabbed the guy 108 times.  That's dedication.  That takes a lot of energy and effort and persistence.
And to top it off, she stabbed the poor dog to death.
This person is the epitome of evil and should get death penalty.




Did you miss the part where she had to be tazered twice and her arm broken before she would stop stabbing herself?

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Well, it’s a good thing that we’re past the point where people will believe anything like this.
It’s been a long time since marijuana madness was shown as a play.
I heard of some dude who brought a gun to a festival. Took a bunch of mushrooms. Then decided to go back to the tent and start murdering people with his gun.

That asshole got arrested too. No one’s buying “the drugs made me do it” excuse anymore.

As long as we don’t let anybody become the scapegoat. Psychedelics should be legalized in this country soon.

Dumb ass holes like this will be probably the only thing that could get that taken away.
But even the guy who tried to crash a plane while on mushrooms. Still is responsible for trying to crash a plane. The mushrooms are not responsible for making him crash a plane.

Bunch of Chuds. They should have an extra 5 years put onto their sentences anytime someone tries to claim “the drugs did it, not me.”




Jesus, what's with you people? If no one was buying it, the court wouldn't consider those sorts of things. If it were just a trick to avoid responsibility, wouldn't someone have figured it out by now? The psychologists who were playing these games found out and punished? Wouldn't the judge have to be in on it too? If these people were functioning prior to having ingested psychoactive drugs and then not. Doesn't that indicate that the drugs caused them to be in a such a state? The defense had a phycology expert and so did the persecution. The prosecution's expert agreed with the defense's.
"On Wednesday, jurors heard from the witness whose opinion was perhaps most influential in prosecutors' decision to reduce the charge to manslaughter: Kris Mohandie, a psychologist and consultant to law enforcement agencies who was hired by the Ventura County District Attorney’s Office to examine Spejcher. He interviewed Spejcher in January, after her defense attorneys raised the issue of cannabis-induced psychosis.

Mohandie testified that he reviewed evidence in the case, including police body camera footage and recordings of Spejcher’s interviews with detectives, and met with Spejcher for more than four hours. He administered two standard psychological tests and wrote a 37-page report concluding that Spejcher’s marijuana use that night triggered a psychotic episode that led her to kill.

One of the tests Mohandie gave Spejcher is meant to measure whether someone is “malingering,” or faking their symptoms, and Mohandie said there is no evidence Specjher was faking or exaggerating"
https://news.yahoo.com/experts-testify-bryn-spejcher-lost-133018294.html

Involuntary manslaughter could mean she will spend four years in jail or prison if convicted. "A conviction is punishable by up to 4 years in jail or prison and a fine of up to $10,000.00."
https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/defense/laws/involuntary-manslaughter/
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    #28551847 - 11/21/23 05:22 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

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The woman in this story is worse than the average murderer.
She stabbed the guy 108 times.  That's dedication.  That takes a lot of energy and effort and persistence.
And to top it off, she stabbed the poor dog to death.
This person is the epitome of evil and should get death penalty.




Did you miss the part where she had to be tazered twice and her arm broken before she would stop stabbing herself?




No, I didn't.

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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenericHero]
    #28551854 - 11/21/23 05:26 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

I’m saying that lady had pre-existing conditions. I’m saying she was already insane. I’m saying she was already suicidal. I’m saying that she used marijuana as an excuse. To act out everything she wanted to do.

I’m tired of the scapegoating, put her away. There she can await her psychotherapy.

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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28551885 - 11/21/23 05:58 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

She's been examined by two psychologists. One of them acts as a consultant for law enforcement and was hired by the county da's office. If he had a soft on crime approach I doubt he would be able to maintain his position as consultant to law enforcement. Two professionals, the ones best suited to determine these sorts of things, have come into agreement on what had happened. You've never ever met the woman. You can't diagnose someone you've never met. I don't know what point you are trying to make about the pre existing condition. She hadn't killed anyone or tried to kill herself before. Suppose she did have some sort of condition? Sounds like it was being managed considering she hadn't killed anyone up til the point at which she smoked marijuana. It's like the COVID conspiracies. "Why blame COVID for death when these people had pre existing conditions?" Because those conditions were being managed. They contributed to the death but ultimately it was the virus they got that killed them.

I think the problem everyone is having with this is the same problem gun people have with discussions about the negative aspects of firearms. Whatnot becomes part of their identity and any negative talk makes them feel personally attacked.


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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenericHero]
    #28551901 - 11/21/23 06:12 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

I don’t need to have met her to know that marijuana did not cause her to go into a psychotic murder spree.

I’m tired of these people trying to throw drugs under the bus as an excuse to kill.

Hope she gets better and stops being crazy. I hope she apologizes to marijuana for being scapegoated again.

Dude, I’ve seen this play out way too many times to care what possible excuse she could’ve cooked up.In fact, I could not care less what she has to say for herself. She’s a murderer.

Have you ever heard of reefer madness?

“ well, if there’s a turkey in the bassinet!”
Does that sound realistic to you?

Like even a little bit?

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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28551905 - 11/21/23 06:17 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

Honestly, you’re getting me a little spun up here. I have seen a man bite into a pound of weed as if it was a brick of cheese.

I’m still here. That guy passed out. That’s what happens when you do too much weed. You fall asleep. You might have a little bit of a hallucination. You do not get suddenly filled with murderous rage.

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    #28551908 - 11/21/23 06:19 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

This propaganda piece was carefully cherry picked from millions of case reports. Of people doing far more marijuana than her.

They found the most insane person. They could possibly find that had ever used marijuana and did a violent crime afterwards.

The very fact that we’re talking about it right now. Means that they’re propaganda has you questioning how safe marijuana is.

I’m sick of it!

This story is trash.
It’s actually worse than trash, because trash used to serve a purpose. This was designed to hurt people and ruin knowledge. It is worse than trash, because it never served a good purpose.

Sorry I got a little hot.

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    #28551933 - 11/21/23 06:41 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

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I don’t need to have met her to know that marijuana did not cause her to go into a psychotic murder spree.




Very scientific. She also stabbed herself. People keep leaving that out

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I’m tired of these people trying to throw drugs under the bus as an excuse to kill.




Who is doing this? You mentioned the festival guy with the handgun. Anyone else?

She didn't need marijuana as an excuse to kill. How does that even make sense? You see that statistic about how rare the insanity defense is? How unsuccessful it is? She also stabbed herself. Where's the reason in what she did? What's the motive?

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Hope she gets better and stops being crazy.





Is that how it works? I mean, I know we're all fully trained psychologists and everything, but I'm asking for a friend.

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I hope she apologizes to marijuana for being scapegoated again.




Quite the pedestal. I'm starting to wonder. Do you think there's anything negative about marijuana consumption? If not, what sort of evidence would convince you?


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Dude, I’ve seen this play out way too many times to care what possible excuse you could’ve cooked up. I could not care less. In fact, what she has to say for herself. She’s a murderer.




I don't know why you think I'm cooking things up.
Where have you seen this play out? You got sources?
You've seen it so much you've been made immune to any evidence to the contrary? 

She might have said she's a murderer but common speech and legal definitions are two different things.

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Have you ever heard of reefer madness?




Yes. A propaganda film made last century doesn't prove or disprove anything.


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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenericHero]
    #28551940 - 11/21/23 06:46 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

Not you😂

She is the person I was referring to when I was referencing somebody cooking up a plan.

Like the guy who cooked up the plan to kill a bunch of people at a festival while on mushrooms.

If he hadn’t already planned that why did he bring the gun?

This is just more sensationalist propaganda against marijuana. I’m tired of it. I’m not going to indulge this person’s ridiculous alibi.

She didn’t want to go to jail. She already had done the murder. She wanted to kill herself so she wouldn’t have to face her repercussions of her crimes.
More likely, she was always suicidal.

Haven’t you ever heard of the term “going out with a bang”
I don’t blame her for being a murderous suicidal person. I’m angry at her for getting marijuana wrapped up into her mental instability.

Just because she got high before she went on a murderous rampage. Does not mean that she didn’t go on a murderous rampage because she wanted too. It has nothing to do with the drug she did before it.

Marijuana isn’t a deliriant!

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    #28551944 - 11/21/23 06:48 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

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Honestly, you’re getting me a little spun up here. I have seen a man bite into a pound of weed as if it was a brick of cheese.

I’m still here. That guy passed out. That’s what happens when you do too much weed. You fall asleep. You might have a little bit of a hallucination. You do not get suddenly filled with murderous rage.




Anecdotes

It wasn't murderous rage. She thought she needed to kill her boyfriend and dog to survive. She's been examined and subject to tests from a licensed psychologist who found that she wasn't lying or exaggerating.
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This propaganda piece was carefully cherry picked from millions of case reports. Of people doing far more marijuana than her.

They found the most insane person. They could possibly find that at ever use marijuana and did a violent crime afterwards.

The very fact that we’re talking about it right now. Means that they’re propaganda has you questioning how safe marijuana is.

I’m sick of it!

This story is trash.
It’s actually worse than trash, because trash used to serve a purpose. This was designed to hurt people and ruin knowledge. It is worse than trash, because it never served a good purpose.

Sorry I got a little hot.




The story got circulated because it would generate views. That you think it's part of some overarching anti marijuana campaign designed to "hurt people and ruin knowledge" seems a bit paranoid. You should think about how worked up you are about this and ask yourself if you are being rational or letting your emotions do your thinking.


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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenericHero]
    #28551948 - 11/21/23 06:49 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

You just said that this propaganda was rotated around in groups. Here you are on a drug forum. Talking about how you think she might have actually been affected by marijuana to affect her decision to kill.

Stop spreading propaganda here and expecting people to actually respond well to it.

I despise propaganda.

Marijuana madness is a myth made by the government because they were super racist against Mexicans!

She got high and murdered. She then attempted to kill herself.

I don’t think it had anything to do with marijuana.
I bet they can’t prove it either.
Because there is no correlation.
Taking psychoactive drugs, when you have a pre-existing underlying psychotic condition. Is a different story…

Her psychosis led to her actions. Not the marijuana.

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    #28551977 - 11/21/23 07:11 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

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Not you😂

She is the person I was referring to when I was referencing somebody cooking up a plan.

Like the guy who cooked up the plan to kill a bunch of people at a festival while on mushrooms.

If he hadn’t already planned that why did he bring the gun?



That's how you know it was premeditated? There are guns everywhere. Guy was ex military. Those guys carry guns when they go places. In some states just being a vet allows one to conceal carry.

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This is just more sensationalist propaganda against marijuana. I’m tired of it. I’m not going to indulge this person’s ridiculous alibi.


why do two psychologists who've examined her think otherwise?

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She didn’t want to go to jail.
She already had done the murder. She wanted to kill herself so she wouldn’t have to face her repercussions of her crimes.
More likely, she was always suicidal.




The trial is still ongoing. I don't know why you think she won't face any consequences. Manslaughter is a serious charge. You don't have any proof that she wanted to murder or that she wanted to kill herself afterward. Do you have any evidence that she was always suicidal?

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Haven’t you ever heard of the term “going out with a bang”



You aren't going to win me over with a cliche.

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I don’t blame her for being a murderous suicidal person. I’m angry at her for getting marijuana wrapped up into her mental instability.



I can see you have your priorities in order. What evidence do you have that she was a murderous suicidal person?

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Just because she got high before she went on a murderous rampage. Does it mean that she didn’t go on a murderous rampage. It has nothing to do with the drug she did before it.



She's been evaluated. How can you explain what they've determined? Don't you like and study psychology? You're unwilling to accept how it's employed the moment it doesn't align with your preconceptions?

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Marijuana isn’t a deliriant!



Are you saying people kill others in murderous rampages on deliriants?


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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenericHero]
    #28551984 - 11/21/23 07:17 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

The way you keep cutting things into pieces and then referring to certain slices of my comment.
Seems to be making you lose context.

The two psychologist were both both paid 1 billion billion dollars by all of the people that don’t want any psychedelics to be legal in our country.
I don’t know why I would have to tell you that bribery exists.

When I said she was trying to not face the repercussions. That is in the context of her, stabbing herself in the neck with a knife!
Obviously, if she’s going to court, she is going to face repercussions for her crimes.

I don’t have to prove anything. She’s the murderer. She hast to prove her innocence.
I don’t have to do that.

Deliriants  remove you from the knowledge that you are hallucinating. which is why I thought that would be the only possible choice for something that would make you go into an absolutely completely detached from reality hallucination.

Putting words in my mouth will not make anything that I’ve said less true. I’m not saying that people on ketamine go on murderous rampages. Because my argument has been that nobody goes on murderous rampages on drugs because of drugs. They go on murderous rampages because they wanted to.

Stay succinct.

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    #28552000 - 11/21/23 07:29 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

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You just said that this propaganda was rotated around in groups. Here you are on a drug forum. Talking about how you think she might have actually been affected by marijuana to affect her decision to kill.




Quote it please. I don't recall that.
I trust the fact that psychologists on both sides have agreed on their analysis of her.

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Stop spreading propaganda here and expecting people to actually respond well to it.



If that's how you feel why aren't you on veggies case for posting the story in the first place?

I'm just stating information from and related to the story. I've provided many links to information about the link between marijuana and psychosis.

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I despise propaganda.

Marijuana madness is a myth made by the government because they were racist against Mexicans!



I don't think anyone's says MJ madness. I think it was marijuana induced psychosis. I don't think they are the same thing.

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She got high and murdered. She then attempted to kill herself.

I don’t think it had anything to do with marijuana.
I bet they can’t prove it either.
Because there is no correlation.
Taking psychoactive drugs, when you have a pre-existing underlying psychotic condition. Is a different story…

Her psychosis led to her actions. Not the marijuana.



How did she become psychotic? When a person is fine and managing not to kill anyone for their whole life and then smokes mj, becomes psychotic and stabs others and themselves, what do you think the cause is?
It's like that COVID thing I talked of earlier. She might have had an "underlying condition" whatever that might be, but it was obviously under control seeing as how she wasn't stabbing anyone. Then she smoked and stabbed. What was the difference? Well it seems like smoking the marijuana caused her to be in such a state. Two experts have examined her and concluded this to be the case.


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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenericHero]
    #28552005 - 11/21/23 07:35 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

She probably had schizophrenia.
Veggie posted an interesting story. You’re the one debating that it might actually not be propaganda.

Don’t you remember the story about the guy on mushrooms trying to crash a plane?

The two people in Amsterdam that died, and then all the mushrooms became illegal?

This happens on a very predictable cycle. Before the story showed up, I actually did kind of predict. This was going to happen soon.

Every time we get really close to psychedelic legalization.
A whole bunch of these bunk stories show up.
Trying to throw shade and doubt on all these compounds.
It’s propaganda dude. Plain & simple.

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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28552010 - 11/21/23 07:41 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

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The way you keep cutting things into pieces and then referring to certain slices of my comment.
Seems to be making you lose context.




It's better this way. I haven't erased anything or put it out of order.

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The two psychologist were both both paid 1 billion billion dollars by all of the people that don’t want any psychedelics to be legal in our country.
I don’t know why I would have to tell you that. Bribery exists.



We know communism exists and also platypuses. Maybe they are behind this scheme.



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When I said she was trying to not face the repercussions. That is in the context of her, stabbing herself in the neck with a knife!
Obviously, if she’s going to court, she is going to face repercussions for her crimes.

I don’t have to prove anything. She’s the murderer. She hast to prove her innocence.
I don’t have to do that.



Nice deflection. It's nice to just be able to say anything you want since you aren't the one on trial and have no burden of proof. Why don't you start prefacing every sentence with "I feel that..." or something?

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Deliriants  remove you from the knowledge that you are hallucinating. which is why I thought that would be the only possible choice for something that would make you go into an absolutely completely detached from reality hallucination.



Based on what? Your own experience? There are more things Horatio something something

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Putting words in my mouth will not make anything that I’ve said less true. I’m not saying that people on ketamine go on murderous rampages. Because my argument has been that nobody goes on murderous rampages on drugs because of drugs. They go on murderous rampages because they wanted to.

Stay succinct.




Asking for clarification isn't putting words in your mouth. If they went on rampage because they wanted to, why wait for the drugs?


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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenericHero]
    #28552017 - 11/21/23 07:47 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

So, what is your question?
Do you think that money isn’t a good excuse for why those two people might want to make drugs illegal again with a false statement?

Or are you arguing that a platypus is a better candidate?

I don’t need to be there to touch it.
To know what it is.

Kind of like on the flat earth thread. I don’t need to be 50,000 feet above the earth. In a chair, suspended upside down, for an hour. To know that the earth is round.

I like you. But you’re not thinking logically about this. Use Occam’s Razor.

This is trashy propaganda. Not even good stuff.
If they had anything to back this up except from her testimony. Maybe there would be some teeth to this. Maybe this would be the big scapegoat the far right is looking for.

But this is garbage propaganda.
There is no such thing as marijuana madness.
You agreed to that.
Marijuana psychosis. Is the exact same thing.
Psychosis is just a more marketable term than madness right now.
Once you realize that. You will realize that this is mud.

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    #28552050 - 11/21/23 08:03 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

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She probably had schizophrenia.
Veggie posted an interesting story. You’re the one debating that it might actually not be propaganda.



Suppose she did. Why'd she wait to smoke mj to go stabbing?

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Don’t you remember the story about the guy on mushrooms trying to crash a plane?



Yeah, it seemed like he was sleep deprived. If we're talking about the same story.
I don't know what it proves though.

The Bryn story I don't understand to be trying to influence anyone's opinion. Seems like a report of events without a spin.

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The two people in Amsterdam that died, and then all the mushrooms became illegal?




Not familiar with that one.

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This happens on a very predictable cycle. Before the story showed up, I actually did kind of predict. This was going to happen soon.



Oh? So you think it was staged or something?

You've claimed you've seen this so much that you are tired of it. Yet you've got like four stories related to it. some of them from another country. Where are all the other stories? It takes just four stories for you to become sick from seeing so much of it?

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Every time we get really close to psychedelic legalization.
A whole bunch of these bunk stories show up.
Trying to throw shade and doubt on all these compounds.
It’s propaganda dude. Plain & simple.



Marijuana is legal in many states and decriminalized in others. Mushrooms have been decriminalized in a few places. There are many companies invested in researching these things for treatment purposes. This story won't change that. And it isn't propaganda. It was a report of events. If anything, they seem a bit sceptical with their use of "purportedly" and putting animal lover in quotes.


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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenericHero]
    #28552075 - 11/21/23 08:17 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

I think she wanted to get really high to go murder someone. She probably thought it might make it more fun. I don’t know. I’m not insane.

In Amsterdam, there was a girl she claimed to be, and seem to be a completely normal individual.
While she was in the throes of a deep mushroom trip. She realized that her life was over…
Then she ended it. I think she was always depressed. People blamed the mushrooms.

Same exact story. Only this kid decided to do it through a window. I think they always wanted to kill themselves. This is the time to act on these things. Your ego is gone. There’s nothing protecting you from your innermost thoughts. If deep down inside your core. You want to not exist anymore. That is what you are going to do.

I don’t think it was staged. I think this story was cherry picked. By people that don’t want marijuana to be federally legalized. Something that has not happened yet.
And is close to happening.

If this story is lawded as a scapegoat. It could be used to cause a huge backlash against psychedelic research. Taking them off of the table. And re-criminalizing them and all the places that they have been decriminalized.

Seriously think about the implications of this kind of propaganda if it was taken seriously. Instead of being immediately dismissed, like I have & and like you should.

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    #28552114 - 11/21/23 08:39 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

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So, what is your question?
Do you think that bribery isn’t a good excuse for why those two people might want to make drugs illegal again?



If you show me some evidence that is what took place I will consider it, absolutely

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Or are you arguing that a platypus is a better candidate?



I thought we were just guessing what went on

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I don’t need to be there to touch it.
To know what it is.



I think mysticism is more your bag

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Kind of like on the flat earth thread. I don’t need to be 50,000 feet above the earth in a chair, suspended upside down, for an hour. To know that the earth is round.



You only know this because it's been proven by experts

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I like you. But you’re not thinking logically about this. Use Occam’s Razor.




The official explanation is simpler. Why'd she wait for drugs to stab? Why'd she pretend to be an animal lover and take her dog to dog parks just to kill it later? If she was suicidal why'd she wait to smoke and kill her boyfriend and dog before killing herself? It only seems simpler if you reduce her to having like two traits and don't consider things like motive or her life previous to this incident.
She smoked and became psychotic. See how much more simple that one is?

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This is trashy propaganda. Not even good stuff.
If they had anything to back this up except from her testimony. Maybe there would be some teeth to this. Maybe this would be the big scapegoat the far right is looking for.




They do. They have the testimony of two experts. How could they prove it to you otherwise? What would satisfy you and why is it nothing?

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But this is garbage propaganda.
There is no such thing as marijuana madness.
You agreed to that.



Maybe. You should quote these things.
Marijuana madness is a colloquial term. It means wherever the speaker wants it to. Psychosis is real and defined.

"For the purposes of this article, the term psychosis refers to the presence of delusions, hallucinations without insight, or both. These symptoms are clearly defined common features of psychosis in both psychiatric disorders and neurologic conditions. They are captured by informal and structured clinical assessments and are reasonably amenable to treatment."
If you don't like that definition, there are others in the same article.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4455840/


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Marijuana psychosis. Is the exact same thing.
Psychosis is just a more marketable term than madness right now.
Once you realize that. You will realize that this is mud.




It was marijuana induced psychosis. Psychosis, a defined state or symptom, brought on by marijuana. Back when refer madness came about women probably still suffered from "hysteria". Our tools are better now, and our definitions more precise.


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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenericHero]
    #28552125 - 11/21/23 08:45 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

You can have psychosis. You can have marijuana. You cannot have marijuana psychosis. Because it does not exist. It is a form of propaganda used to make people against marijuana legalization. This conversation is over.

The two professionals could easily have been bribed by all of the billionaire lobbyist that don’t want federal legalization. The fact that you don’t see that is kind of alarming to me.

Also, the fact that you’ve had to relegate to insulting me and my take. Proves that we’re done.

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    #28552147 - 11/21/23 09:02 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

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I think she wanted to get really high to go murder someone. She probably thought it might make it more fun. I don’t know. I’m not insane.



If you are going to continue to make shit up, platypuses are back on the table.

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In Amsterdam, there was a girl she claimed to be, and seem to be a completely normal individual.
While she was in the throes of a deep mushroom trip. She realized that her life was over…
Then she ended it. I think she was always depressed. People blamed the mushrooms.



And you blame the person. If the person was fine before the drug, then it was the drug that caused then to be not fine. Psychotic or otherwise. I don't know why it's so hard for you to imagine that something might affect someone in an adverse way. I am skeptical that a person wouldn't like the effects of opiates and yet these people exist.

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Same exact story. Only this kid decided to do it through a window. I think they always wanted to kill themselves. This is the time to act on these things. Your ego is gone. There’s nothing protecting you from your innermost thoughts. If deep down inside your core. You want to not exist anymore. That is what you are going to do.




This is pure conjecture

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I don’t think it was staged. I think this story was cherry picked. By people that don’t want marijuana to be federally legalized. Something that has not happened yet.
And is close to happening.




Cherry picked out of what? Who wrote these articles? I doubt the local news in thousand oaks California has an anti marijuana legalization agenda. Other papers run the story to try to get people to read it. There's always deaths and violence in the news.

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If this story is lawded as a scapegoat. It could be used to cause a huge backlash against psychedelic research. Taking them off of the table. And re-criminalizing them and all the places that they have been decriminalized.



Lawded? I don't see any high praise going on.
What you suggest isn't going to happen I don't think.
Your booger man has teeth made from could and claws of maybe. Sounds like a slippery slope.

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Seriously think about the implications of this kind of propaganda if it was taken seriously. Instead of being immediately dismissed, like I have & and like you should.



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    #28552153 - 11/21/23 09:06 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

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You can have psychosis. You can have marijuana. You cannot have marijuana psychosis. Because it does not exist. It is a form of propaganda used to make people against marijuana legalization. This conversation is over.



Why can't you? And why can't you prove it with anything?

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The two professionals could easily have been bribed by all of the billionaire lobbyist that don’t want federal legalization. The fact that you don’t see that is kind of alarming to me.



Prove it. I still think it was the platypus

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Also, the fact that you’ve had to relegate to insulting me and my take. Proves that we’re done.



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I don’t need to have met her to know that marijuana did not cause her to go into a psychotic murder spree.




Very scientific. She also stabbed herself. People keep leaving that out





She is a suicidal murderer... a danger to others around her and herself.  She will bring down everyone and everything with her when she tries offing herself.  It wouldn't matter to me if she didn't stab herself or not in this case because once you're a danger to others then things change drastically.

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    #28553128 - 11/22/23 06:11 PM (5 months, 23 days ago)

I would think they would do a multi panel hair or finger nail test at this point. All kinds of forensics to find out what really happened. See if anything else comes up.. Like GHB, or some other weird f'ing substances kids do these days.. I still have my suspicions that she was drugged unknowingly. Maybe the room mates we're involved somehow. Maybe the gov was hitting her with MK ultra waves, you never know right?. I'm interested in how the case works out, and if she admits guilt & to being crazy..

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    #28556321 - 11/25/23 05:46 PM (5 months, 20 days ago)

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I don’t need to have met her to know that marijuana did not cause her to go into a psychotic murder spree.




Very scientific. She also stabbed herself. People keep leaving that out





She is a suicidal murderer... a danger to others around her and herself.  She will bring down everyone and everything with her when she tries offing herself.  It wouldn't matter to me if she didn't stab herself or not in this case because once you're a danger to others then things change drastically.




She wasn't a danger before consuming marijuana. She wasn't trying to kill herself or others. She was an accomplished person apparently.



"Bryn P. Spejcher, August 2017

Spejcher is an audiologist at the House Children’s Hearing Center at UCLA, according to social media posts. Her specialty is Otolaryngology with UCLA Health’s Head and Neck Surgery Department.

She earned her Doctor of Audiology degree from the St. Louis’ Washington University School of Medicine, AuD, in 2017, according to her LinkedIn profile. She was an Audiology Doctoral Extern with the Loyola University Health System while studying for her degree.

Originally from Bloomingdale, Illinois, Spejcher earned her Bachelor of Arts degree in Communication Sciences and Disorders from Augustana College in 2013."

She worked with children as a doctor, apparently. Doesn't seem like the crazy murderer type to me.


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    #28556326 - 11/25/23 05:47 PM (5 months, 20 days ago)

Oh, she worked with children.
No wonder she went insane.:lol:

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She worked with children as a doctor, apparently. Doesn't seem like the crazy murderer type to me.





What you said about her definitely makes her sound like a good person. 
If she didn't stab her boyfriend 108 times and kill the poor dog then I would agree with your second statement.

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    #28556335 - 11/25/23 05:54 PM (5 months, 20 days ago)

You know what psychosis is?


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Yea.

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    #28556664 - 11/26/23 02:07 AM (5 months, 20 days ago)

ya, In this context its a term used to promote a global drug war, paranoia and which murderers use to escape justice. The bitch is a lying murderer, probably getting off on class and gender corruuption.

Some people fall for anything. Look  at the lack of details in this article. Doesn't even name a fucking city where it happened. Just another bitch getting away with murder.

From the same website.

https://themessenger.com/news/woman-accused-of-fatally-stabbing-father-of-her-children-also-killed-previous-boyfriend-16-years-ago?utm_source=onsite&utm_medium=related_story

the poor womens, set them free!

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    #28558458 - 11/27/23 02:56 PM (5 months, 18 days ago)

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Yea.




do you think that a psychologist could identify it?

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ya, In this context its a term used to promote a global drug war, paranoia and which murderers use to escape justice.




i don't see that. it seems like a report. i don't see any sort of spin. can you point out where the drug war and paranoia promotion occurs in the story?

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The bitch is a lying murderer, probably getting off on class and gender corruuption.




how do you know she is lying? and what is class and gender corruption?

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Some people fall for anything. Look  at the lack of details in this article. Doesn't even name a fucking city where it happened. Just another bitch getting away with murder.




what details are missing?
you can't read apparently, the story says that the incident occurred inside "o'melia's condominium in Thousand Oaks."
how many "bitches" get away with murder? i don't think that you could prove some kind of pattern.


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From the same website.

https://themessenger.com/news/woman-accused-of-fatally-stabbing-father-of-her-children-also-killed-previous-boyfriend-16-years-ago?utm_source=onsite&utm_medium=related_story




from the same website:

https://themessenger.com/news/hamas-hostages-released-israel-fourth-day-ceasefire-exchange-extension

apparently they run stories about many things. how does the story i've linked tie into their women aren't accountable narrative?

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the poor womens, set them free!




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    #28558507 - 11/27/23 03:46 PM (5 months, 18 days ago)

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Yea.




do you think that a psychologist could identify it?




Yea.
How are the psychologists so sure it was marijuana-induced psychosis?  What's their evidence?

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    #28558509 - 11/27/23 03:49 PM (5 months, 18 days ago)


Trashy story with no weight beside 2 sleezy psychologists and a psycho killer.

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    #28558779 - 11/27/23 07:30 PM (5 months, 18 days ago)

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Yea.




do you think that a psychologist could identify it?




Yea.
How are the psychologists so sure it was marijuana-induced psychosis?  What's their evidence?




Probably because she became psychotic after smoking marijuana. There was body cam footage they reviewed. They found THC in her system and nothing else. "The review, which included examination of body-worn camera video from the scene, noted Spejcher was described as appearing "possessed," which is consistent with acute psychosis.

The psychologist, Kris Mohandie, noted that Spejcher's stabbing of "her own beloved dog, without any evidence of animal cruelty tendencies, is highly inconsistent with her love of dogs, and underscores her level of impairment," according to the filing.
Cannabis-induced psychotic disorder can develop shortly after a high dose and usually involves persecutory delusions, among other symptoms, the psychologist noted.

"The county wants the doctor to administer the so-called MMPI-2 Psychological Test, better known as the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory. It involves over 560 true-or-false questions and is the most widely used and researched clinical assessment tool to help diagnose mental health disorders." https://www.toacorn.com/articles/prosecution-shrink-to-conduct-pretrial-examination-of-accused-killer/
This story is from dec 22.
The op is a more recent story. The prosecution's "shrink" has examined her since then. If a psychologist is asked to testify as an expert they must have the judges approval and proper credentials.

Here's some stuff from
https://www.jurispro.com/category/psychology-s-493/CA#:~:text=A%20psychology%20expert%20witness%20should,of%20psychological%20testing%20and%20therapies.

"What is a psychology expert witness?
A psychology expert witness is a person who is qualified to give testimony about a person's mental state, psychological diagnosis, or psychological treatment, among other issues."

"What is the role of a psychology expert witness?
A psychology expert witness provides testimony on the diagnosis and treatment of mental health conditions and their impact on behavior."

"What are the qualifications of a psychology expert witness?
A psychology expert witness should be a licensed psychologist with specialized training and experience in the assessment and treatment of mental and behavioral disorders, and possess knowledge of psychological testing and therapies."

I can't find/don't have access to mohandie's report, but it was enough to cause the defence to make a motion to reduce the charges to which the judge agreed. They wouldn't do that for no reason. It isn't some ploy to demonize marijuana as has been suggested.
But I guess that the evidence you're looking for is the testimony of the expert. Consider the definitions above. These people have been determined qualified to assess these sorts of things



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Trashy story with no weight beside 2 sleezy psychiatrists and a psycho killer.





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    #28558984 - 11/27/23 11:29 PM (5 months, 18 days ago)

So she specializes in head and neck surgeries huh? Mainly works with deaf kids though right? I bet she has seen things that only a war vet with ptsd could associate with. Maybe it got to her.. the demons that is. Possession by demonic forces sounds more like it to me, Likely because she became susceptible to the malevolent forces due to whatever drugs she was taking. Trying to cope with seeing kids eyeballs get chopped up on a consistent basis.

Sounds like she probably has access to some highly potent or rare alternative types of drugs/tranqs/etc, just for kids surgeries. Probably the usual laughing gas, maybe some special k, and who knows what else?..  Some that probably wouldn't even show up on the tests they administered to her afterwords. Weed though? I'm not buying it.

She's hanging out with a bunch of dudes smoking weak ass low THC weed..  Surely they wouldn't be trying to get her to smuggle drugs from the labs at her work, where she was so highly praised. She would never ever do such a thing like that. You know, like all the others in her position that did get caught smuggling away drugs.

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    #28558988 - 11/27/23 11:38 PM (5 months, 18 days ago)

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Trashy story with no weight beside 2 sleezy psychiatrists and a psycho killer.




If the psychiatrist is some lefty socialist dog loving worker, that should be a conflict of interest IMO. All they will be able to make an assessment of is how crazy the person must be to stab their own dog, and that's probably about it.. NM that the suspect might have realized after the first few stabbings, that if they take out their dog and stab another 100+ times then they might be able to claim being the victim. If she only stabbed her dog once, but stabbed the bf 100+ times, IMO that would show that she was fully aware of the situation..

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do you think that a psychologist could identify it?




Yea.
How are the psychologists so sure it was marijuana-induced psychosis?  What's their evidence?




Probably because she became psychotic after smoking marijuana. There was body cam footage they reviewed. They found THC in her system and nothing else. "The review, which included examination of body-worn camera video from the scene, noted Spejcher was described as appearing "possessed," which is consistent with acute psychosis.




They probably found water in her system, too, so why aren't they blaming water on her killing the man and dog in cold blood?
What chapter of psychology school covers "possessed" people?  Are psychologists also priests now?  :lol:



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The psychologist, Kris Mohandie, noted that Spejcher's stabbing of "her own beloved dog, without any evidence of animal cruelty tendencies, is highly inconsistent with her love of dogs, and underscores her level of impairment," according to the filing.
Cannabis-induced psychotic disorder can develop shortly after a high dose and usually involves persecutory delusions, among other symptoms, the psychologist noted.




Some criminals and murderers have no criminal history.  Then one day they give in to the urges and reach their full form.  It's shocking because it catches people off guard...


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But I guess that the evidence you're looking for is the testimony of the expert. Consider the definitions above. These people have been determined qualified to assess these sorts of things





So ALL of the evidence for saying she was in a marijuana-induced psychosis are:

1. Her blood tested positive for THC
2. Video shows her acting "possessed"



That's it?!?!?
Am I missing evidence here, GenericHero?

Why does her own family feel this way: "O'Melia's family staunchly opposed the move, and continues to insist Spejcher be charged with murder." 

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    #28560168 - 11/28/23 10:19 PM (5 months, 17 days ago)

I provided you with an example of women murdering and getting away with it who went on to kill again and you dismiss it. You also think the article was not lacking any information, does not promote drug war paranoia even though it talks about marijuana psychosis leading to a murder of a man and a dog.

It is physically impossible for a marijuana high "psychosis" to trigger someone to kill for no reason or to even trigger such an action by someone with mental illness.  You are attempting to cover your eyes ears and mouth to avoid admitting even basic obvious facts. You then attempt to insult me on reading comprehension and sexual frustration. Go watch refer madness in your room and stay off the internet.

You are definitely not someone worth taking seriously as you admit or concede nothing. And if you are a man you are a little illiterate girly man or homosexual who thinks they are "protecting the womens."

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Video interview with father of Chad O'Melia ...

Woman who blamed cannabis for stabbing is ‘not the victim,’ dad says
November 28, 2023 - NewsNation

  • Bryn Spejcher is on trial for 2018 killing; she blames marijuana
  • Her charge was downgraded to involuntary manslaughter
  • Victim's father: Spejcher had an opportunity to show remorse




Sean O’Melia, the father of Chad O’Melia — who is the former boyfriend of Bryn Spejcher — joined NewsNation’s Ashleigh Banfield exclusively Tuesday to give his reaction to Spejcher’s testimony.

Bryn Spejcher is the California woman who claims cannabis-induced psychosis made her stab Chad more than 100 times in 2018.

She took the stand Tuesday and told the jury that voices were telling her that the only way to bring herself back to life was to kill her boyfriend.

The testimony provided Spejcher with an opportunity to show the jury that she had “some form of remorse for her actions,” Sean O’Melia said. Instead, “It was really clear that everything was about her. I can’t count how many times I heard her say ‘Me.’ I realize that this is not good for her or her family, either. But there is a victim here, and she is not the victim.”

Spejcher faces an involuntary manslaughter charge, which was downgraded in September from a second degree murder charge.

The defense rested Tuesday after Spejcher took the stand. The trial will resume Wednesday with closing arguments, and jury deliberations are likely before the end of the week or early next week.

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    #28560942 - 11/29/23 03:22 PM (5 months, 16 days ago)

Egotistical psychopath. She’s going to jail for a long time.
I don’t like that she had her charges reduced either.
I feel like that’s only because she’s a white woman. If I’m being quite honest.

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She’s going to jail for a long time.



She should, but she won't. The maximum possible sentence was reduced from 25 years to four years with the reduction in charges from murder to involuntary manslaughter.

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    #28561089 - 11/29/23 05:37 PM (5 months, 16 days ago)

Imagine seeing this girl at the grocery store when she gets out in four years or less.  Knowing she stabbed her boyfriend 108 times and killed the dog.  I would not feel safe at all.

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    #28561101 - 11/29/23 05:44 PM (5 months, 16 days ago)

If this chick walks by a person smoking a joint is she gonna go into suicide-murder mode again when she smells that sweet sweet marijuana? 

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Would yu be afraid tobe in a room alone w this chick? Yes or no?


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They probably found water in her system, too, so why aren't they blaming water on her killing the man and dog in cold blood?
What chapter of psychology school covers "possessed" people?  Are psychologists also priests now?  :lol:




She wasn't diagnosed possessed. Water? You are being obtuse.



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The psychologist, Kris Mohandie, noted that Spejcher's stabbing of "her own beloved dog, without any evidence of animal cruelty tendencies, is highly inconsistent with her love of dogs, and underscores her level of impairment," according to the filing.
Cannabis-induced psychotic disorder can develop shortly after a high dose and usually involves persecutory delusions, among other symptoms, the psychologist noted.




Some criminals and murderers have no criminal history.  Then one day they give in to the urges and reach their full form.  It's shocking because it catches people off guard...


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But I guess that the evidence you're looking for is the testimony of the expert. Consider the definitions above. These people have been determined qualified to assess these sorts of things





So ALL of the evidence for saying she was in a marijuana-induced psychosis are:

1. Her blood tested positive for THC
2. Video shows her acting "possessed"



That's it?!?!?
Am I missing evidence here, GenericHero?

Why does her own family feel this way: "O'Melia's family staunchly opposed the move, and continues to insist Spejcher be charged with murder." 

:strokebeard:




That's not her family. Omelia was her boyfriend's family. You missed stuff. She was subject to interviews and psychological testing. The results were interpreted by a licensed psychologist. Both the defense's and the prosecution's psychologists were in agreement. All those definitions I listed, the expert's testimony is admissable as evidence. If you want the nitty gritty, I've looked but can't find mohandie's report.

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I provided you with an example of women murdering and getting away with it who went on to kill again and you dismiss it. You also think the article was not lacking any information, does not promote drug war paranoia even though it talks about marijuana psychosis leading to a murder of a man and a dog.

It is physically impossible for a marijuana high "psychosis" to trigger someone to kill for no reason or to even trigger such an action by someone with mental illness.  You are attempting to cover your eyes ears and mouth to avoid admitting even basic obvious facts. You then attempt to insult me on reading comprehension and sexual frustration. Go watch refer madness in your room and stay off the internet.

You are definitely not someone worth taking seriously as you admit or concede nothing. And if you are a man you are a little illiterate girly man or homosexual who thinks they are "protecting the womens."




You provided an example of a "woman" killing. Hardly a pattern.

I'm pretty sure it was something like "woman claims..." Seems like a report to me. The article didn't conclude anything, just stated the particulars of the case.

Why is it physically impossible? What are the "basic facts"?
Your reading ability is suspect. You claimed that the story didn't tell of a location when it clearly did. You also add an s to a word that's already plural and left an e out of reefer. Reefer madness doesn't prove anything btw

Your last paragraph is pure projection

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Egotistical psychopath. She’s going to jail for a long time.
I don’t like that she had her charges reduced either.
I feel like that’s only because she’s a white woman. If I’m being quite honest.




Words mean something you know. "Psychopathy is a neuropsychiatric disorder marked by deficient emotional responses, lack of empathy, and poor behavioral controls, commonly resulting in persistent antisocial deviance and criminal behavior." Courtesy of pubmed. She says she picked her profession to help children suffering from the same sorts of things she had suffered. Seems like empathy or something.
I like that you used an "I feel" statement at the end instead of continuing to state your feelings as facts.
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She’s going to jail for a long time.



She should, but she won't. The maximum possible sentence was reduced from 25 years to four years with the reduction in charges from murder to involuntary manslaughter.




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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenericHero] * 1
    #28562846 - 11/30/23 08:08 PM (5 months, 15 days ago)

I think she’s a somewhat intelligent psychopath. That was concealing her insanity. Doesn’t mean she wasn’t insane the whole time. She’s a loon. Why are you trying so hard to defend this absolutely insane woman who stabbed her husband 108 times and then then murdered a poor dog. That has nothing to do with marijuana at all.

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    #28562847 - 11/30/23 08:08 PM (5 months, 15 days ago)

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Trashy story with no weight beside 2 sleezy psychiatrists and a psycho killer.




If the psychiatrist is some lefty socialist dog loving worker, that should be a conflict of interest IMO. All they will be able to make an assessment of is how crazy the person must be to stab their own dog, and that's probably about it.. NM that the suspect might have realized after the first few stabbings, that if they take out their dog and stab another 100+ times then they might be able to claim being the victim. If she only stabbed her dog once, but stabbed the bf 100+ times, IMO that would show that she was fully aware of the situation..



There were two psychologists. One for defence and one for prosecution. They were in agreement with one another. The prosecution's works as a consultant for law enforcement. https://www.policepsychology.org/Kris-Mohandie-PhD

How do you know which assessments will be used and to what extent they will reveal?


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    #28562888 - 11/30/23 08:20 PM (5 months, 15 days ago)

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I think she’s a somewhat intelligent psychopath. That was concealing her insanity. Doesn’t mean she wasn’t insane the whole time. She’s a loan. Why are you trying so hard to defend this? Absolutely insane woman who killed her husband 108 times and then then murdered to a poor dog. That has nothing to do with marijuana at all.




You've started with a conclusion and are working backwards to support it.
She didn't kill her husband.
Two people with the expertise and qualifications to determine these things say marijuana did have something to do with it.
Why are you tryin so hard to attack this? This thread is a great example of why we need due process. *Angry mob noises*

I caught the before edit.
"I think she’s an intelligent psychopath. That was concealing her insanity. Doesn’t mean she wasn’t insane the whole time."


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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenericHero]
    #28562894 - 11/30/23 08:23 PM (5 months, 15 days ago)

They are wrong. They were paid by lobbyist that want marijuana to be illegal. That is the core of their entire propaganda campaign. Which has failed. She is an ego maniac, who couldn’t stop bragging about herself in court.
Honestly. She might have done this, just so she could become famous.
Which means she’s a murderer, someone who scapegoats marijuana to further her own goals. And an egomaniac.

The psychiatrist do not matter to me. They will not matter in the courtroom. They can easily be explained away by any other psychiatrist that isn’t taking dirty money.

I don’t understand what your motivation is. Because there is no reason for you to think this is a real story.
Are you a lobbyist?:lol:
Because you’re talking like the people that want to illegalize marijuana. Because you are arguing for really low-grade propaganda.

This is just marijuana madness all over again.
It’s total crap. It’s not going anywhere. The psychiatrists are hucksters.

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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28562915 - 11/30/23 08:29 PM (5 months, 15 days ago)

It actually really offends me. Because sleazy people like those psychiatrists are the reason why people don’t trust psychiatry as a science.

I want those two psychiatrist thrown in jail.
That’s the ultimate answer.
Those people are dirty. They’re helping some scummy propaganda making lobbyist try to destroy something that’s helping people.

I bet if we look up those two psychiatrist. We can find out that those people hate marijuana.

What a coincidence!

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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28562941 - 11/30/23 08:50 PM (5 months, 15 days ago)

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They are wrong.




Conjecture

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GenesisCorrupted said:
They were paid by lobbyist that want marijuana to be illegal.




Prove it

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That is the core of their entire propaganda campaign. Which has failed.



Who are these lobbyists?

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She is an ego maniac, who couldn’t stop bragging about herself in court.
Honestly. She might have done this, just so she could become famous.



Bragging? Where did your see/read this?

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Which means she’s a murderer, someone who scapegoats marijuana to further her own goals. And an egomaniac.



Egomaniac is a colloquial term. There isn't a condition recognized as such.

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The psychiatrist do not matter to me. They will not matter in the courtroom. They can easily be explained away by any other psychiatrist that isn’t taking dirty money.



She wasn't examined by a psychiatrist. They were psychologists. They've already "mattered" in the courtroom. Her charges were reduced.

How did two psychologists, both on the take from the anti marijuana lobby, wind up on both sides of this case. They were chosen individually, each by different people who don't have the same agenda in the courtroom. How does that happen?

"Anyone who says a thing I don't like must be taking bribes" is faulty reasoning.


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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28562947 - 11/30/23 08:57 PM (5 months, 15 days ago)

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It actually really offends me. Because sleazy people like those psychiatrists are the reason why people don’t trust psychiatry as a science.

I want those two psychiatrist thrown in jail.
That’s the ultimate answer.
Those people are dirty. They’re helping some scummy propaganda making lobbyist try to destroy something that’s helping people.

I bet if we look up those two psychiatrist. We can find out that those people hate marijuana.

What a coincidence!




Look it up then. I'll be happy to read whatever you find

Psychologists btw.
Again, I'm glad for due process. You can't even keep the minutiae small to medium details straight.


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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenericHero]
    #28562956 - 11/30/23 09:01 PM (5 months, 15 days ago)

I’m not the person who did a crime. I don’t have to prove it.
You’re the person making claims that you believe the psychiatrist. You should prove to me that she actually did go insane from marijuana. Because those psychiatrist can’t.
It does not matter to me that they were on opposite sides of the room. That would make even more sense. This would be a better attempt to further legitimize the false claims being made.

How do you not understand how bribery and lobbying works?

Her charges were reduced because she’s a white woman…

I’m not gonna prove that one for you either so don’t ask me too.

If that person had been any other color. I guarantee she would not have gotten her charges reduced.

This is propaganda of the lowest possible tier.
I can’t believe you’re trying to defend it this hard.

There is no such thing as marijuana induced psychosis.
There never was!
Marijuana madness is a marketing tool used by a racist government.
It also does not exist!

They are the same. How do you not know that?
They are the same Fake boondoggle nonsense propaganda tool that has been used since the early 60s to combat peoples personal freedoms.
:fuckthisshit:
I like my freedom!
I’m not letting some psychopath take it away from me.

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    #28563009 - 11/30/23 09:45 PM (5 months, 15 days ago)

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I’m not the person who did a crime. I don’t have to prove it.



I'll understand that as you can't

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You’re the person making claims that you believe the psychiatrist.



Yes, I believe the psychologists. Psychologists dude. I'm starting to think you're a troll. Do you know there's a difference between the two?

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You should prove to me that she actually did go insane from marijuana.



What would prove it to you and why is it nothing?

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Because those psychiatrist can’t.



See above

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It does not matter to me that they were on opposite sides of the room. That would make even more sense. This would be a better attempt to further legitimize the false claims being made.



They were on opposite sides of the case, employed by different people. Didn't you invoke Occam's razor earlier? Conspiracies are awfully complicated.

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How do you not understand how bribery and lobbying works?



Whether I do or not doesn't prove it occurred

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Her charges were reduced because she’s a white woman…



Prove it... Oh, you can't

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I’m not gonna prove that one for you either so don’t ask me too.



Don't you feel hypocritical asking me for proofs when you can't provide any?

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If that person had been any other color. I guarantee she would not have gotten her charges reduced.



We don't know that

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This is propaganda of the lowest possible tier.
I can’t believe you’re trying to defend it this hard.



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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenericHero]
    #28563052 - 11/30/23 10:31 PM (5 months, 15 days ago)

I’m not trolling you dude. You’re trolling us. I’m honestly convinced that you are just literally trolling people. I don’t know why. But you are so pro-propaganda right now. I have nothing else to say to you. I can’t believe you can’t see this for what it is.

Two people being employed on different sides of the courtroom that have both been bribed by the same person. Is a lock in. That’s what that’s called. That’s called propaganda!

Making up a fake story that you have built to make your beliefs get pushed onto other people.
Such as bribing 2 psychologists in a courtroom.

When there are billions of dollars on the line. I don’t put anything past these people. I don’t know why you’re so trusting. I don’t get ripped off very often. Because I can see through this kind of crap. Pretty quickly.
You should avoid going to the mall this season.

I hear they have the best pizza in the world there. They also have the best cup of coffee. You might have to find out which ones real. Maybe all four of them are real? I guess I’ll have to hire the two best barista in the world to come and sit in a room with me. And tell you that they are the best cups of coffee in the world.

Doesn’t really matter that. I paid them both $200 to say that. Because you’ll just believe them.

I’m trying to make an example. To show you what you’re doing. This is not a dig. I’m not mad at you. I honestly want you to see what this is. It is trash.

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    #28563063 - 11/30/23 10:46 PM (5 months, 15 days ago)

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There is no such thing as marijuana induced psychosis.
There never was!



What is your evidence? There's tons of literature linking marijuana to psychosis. Psychosis is a thing. In this case, two experts have determined that it was brought on by marijuana. Lawyers with opposing motives have agreed with them.

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Marijuana madness is a marketing tool used by a racist government.
It also does not exist!



Who says marijuana madness? Oh, it was you.
The thing about the racist government is pretty low resolution. Obama was president of the United States. Was he racist? Congress has 62 black members currently. Not saying that there aren't racists or racism, just saying your analysis is low resolution. There are a lot of moving parts with different agendas. Many states have legalized marijuana. Biden pardoned many non violent offenders with federal charges related to marijuana.

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They are the same. How do you not know that? They are the same Fake boondoggle nonsense propaganda tool that has been used since the early 60s to combat peoples personal freedoms.



It's not clear to me that they are. It's not clear that this is being used to combat personal freedom either. Marijuana is still legal in places where it's legal and decriminalized in places where it's been decriminalized. Nb4 slippery slope.

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I like my freedom!
I’m not letting some psychopath take it away from me.




This is like when gun nuts call every mass shooting a false flag operation or whatever it is.  "It's a fabrication designed to take away our freedoms!"


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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenericHero] * 1
    #28563070 - 11/30/23 10:52 PM (5 months, 15 days ago)

OK dude.
I linked the video earlier. I think you actually need to watch this.
Because you’re arguing that this video is actually completely true…

You are on the fascist side right now.
The side that hates freedom.
I don’t know why.
Because it’s really obvious that this is a fake story, manufactured by lobbyists. That want to take away our freedoms again.

You sound like one of the Reagan wives. Like you want to wage a war on drugs.
But you’re on this site.
Which makes your argument for this article a paradox.

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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28563102 - 11/30/23 11:21 PM (5 months, 15 days ago)

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I’m not trolling you dude. You’re trolling us. I’m honestly convinced that you are just literally trolling people. I don’t know why. But you are so pro-propaganda right now. I have nothing else to say to you. I can’t believe you can’t see this for what it is.



As far as I can tell, I've not made anything up or suggested anything outside of what had been reported. You can't even keep the details straight. You are making something like the "everybody knows" fallacy

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Two people being employed on different sides of the courtroom that have both been bribed by the same person. Is a lock in. That’s what that’s called. That’s called propaganda!



...
Who bribed them? Where is the evidence?

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Making up a fake story that you have built to make your beliefs get pushed onto other people.
Such as bribing 2 psychologists in a courtroom.




If you were to accuse someone of accepting bribes, in the context of a court case, evidence would be required.

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When there are billions of dollars on the line. I don’t put anything past these people. I don’t know why you’re so trusting. I don’t get ripped off very often. Because I can see through this kind of crap. Pretty quickly.
You should avoid going to the mall this season.




Who has billions on the line?

I think it is highly unlikely that both parties would be in on whatever conspiracy you think is happening. The prosecutor wants to prosecute. They don't reduce charges for no reason. The judge didn't agree to this for no reason. They are all on "the take"?

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I hear they have the best pizza in the world there. They also have the best cup of coffee. You might have to find out which ones real. Maybe all four of them are real? I guess I’ll have to hire the two best barista in the world to come and sit in a room with me. And tell you that they are the best cups of coffee in the world.





Okay Matlock. "Ya see, the courtroom is like a shoppin' mall..."

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Doesn’t really matter that. I paid them both $200 to say that. Because you’ll just believe them.




No, I wouldn't. You literally made all of that up. Also apples and oranges. Baristas are hardly licensed psychologists.

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I’m trying to make an example. To show you what you’re doing. This is not a dig. I’m not mad at you. I honestly want you to see what this is. It is trash.





Well, I know you've convinced yourself of that.
Lemme ask you a question. Do you think there could ever be anything negative about marijuana use?


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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenericHero]
    #28563114 - 11/30/23 11:41 PM (5 months, 15 days ago)

Absolutely.
Some people use it in an unhealthy way.

The marijuana industry is a multi billion dollar industry. If marijuana became federally legalized. A lot of that money would be back in our hands. Because there would be a flood in the market. People would be able to produce their own product.

This would take away money from wealthy people. That don’t like giving away any money.

Those people are willing to pay some of their billions of dollars. To make more money in the future. By taking away my freedoms. And making me pay more money for something that I should be able to grow in my backyard right now.

That is the money that I am referencing when I am talking about the bribes…

So when you ask for proof of the bribery. That would be very difficult. Because if there’s that much money involved. People could get murdered to make sure that no one finds out about high bribes.

Breaking bad levels of money in this industry right now. And there are people that are setting up Fake stories for us to think marijuana can hurt and kill people.

So that they can keep making money.
By screwing you and me over.

There was even another story posted in the same place that this thread is. Talking about some guy who had jars of DMT. And then some police officer went through the entire crime scene and sprinkled fentanyl in  everything.
That sounds like something a dumb cop would do.
Because that was also propaganda. Way less financed propaganda. Lower tier than even this.

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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28563116 - 11/30/23 11:48 PM (5 months, 15 days ago)

That is a way in which propaganda is made.

Take whatever you’re trying to have ruined for everybody. Psychedelics or marijuana in this case.

Set up a scenario in which somebody did something monstrous entirely because of that thing.

This psychopath killer who claims that marijuana made her murder somebody

The guy who was trying to get everyone hooked on DMT by hitting them with huge amounts of fentanyl. Enough to kill everybody. That makes tons of sense doesn’t it?

These are the same things. These are cherry picked stories. Possibly staged stories. This is cheapo propaganda.

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    #28563118 - 11/30/23 11:54 PM (5 months, 15 days ago)

I mean now you got me thinking about it. Don’t you remember how everyone blamed the insane clown posse for a couple murders that happened.

There was some fool that actually went out and killed people with a hatchet.

Suddenly there was million dollar lawyers there. There was huge amounts of money flowing into this random dude. Because they wanted to prove that the insane clown posse was to blame.

It had nothing to do with this person who decided to go murder people with a hatchet.” Oh no” they said.
It was this band of musicians….

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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28563121 - 11/30/23 11:56 PM (5 months, 15 days ago)

How about this gem. Because I need to prove this to you.

“My son is a serial killer because of video games…”

Sure he is. And I’m the king of the sea.
But only when I’m on the toilet.

These are scapegoats. Do you see anything in common amongst them?

These are our freedoms. Our methods of expression. Our methods of communication. They are trying to take that away from us with some ridiculous made up nonsense. They’ll cherry pick the most insane person who has ever listened to an insane clown posse CD.

They will find the school shooter that played call of duty.

It is propaganda, plain and simple. I am tired of it. It exhausts me. It makes me want to fight people…

I am done.

I have proven everything I needed to.
There is a plethora of evidence.
Every single thing that I’ve said has happened before. You can find cases of everything I’ve said.
Don’t let it happen again please.
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    #28563165 - 12/01/23 01:07 AM (5 months, 15 days ago)

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Absolutely.
Some people use it in an unhealthy way.



Do you know about cannabis hyperemesis syndrome?

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The marijuana industry is a multi billion dollar industry. If marijuana became federally legalized. A lot of that money would be back in our hands. Because there would be a flood in the market. People would be able to produce their own product.




This is confusing. There marijuana industry is trying to keep it from being legalized?

Anecdotal, but where I live it's been legalized. People buy from dispensaries. Some people grow, but most I talk to do not.

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This would take away money from wealthy people. That don’t like giving away any money.

Those people are willing to pay some of their billions of dollars. To make more money in the future. By taking away my freedoms. And making me pay more money for something that I should be able to grow in my backyard right now.



The marijuana industry seems to be suffering from it not being legal at the federal level. Legal states have a surplus that they can't sell out of state due to prohibition at the federal level.
https://apnews.com/article/cannabis-marijuana-420-e11c85fbaa6f0b82c1b0aa52312c4187


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That is the money that I am referencing when I am talking about the bribes…

So when you ask for proof of the bribery. That would be very difficult. Because if there’s that much money involved. People could get murdered to make sure that no one finds out about high bribes.




This is something like appeal to ignorance

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Breaking bad levels of money in this industry right now. And there are people that are setting up Fake stories for us to think marijuana can hurt and kill people.

So that they can keep making money.
By screwing you and me over.




More money to be made from federal legalization I think. Any manufacturers can be raided by the Fed as of now. They've had trouble finding banks to handle their money due to federal prohibition. They get robbed because they've had to do cash transactions as opposed to digital.
"Currently, thirty-seven states, the District of Columbia, Guam and Puerto Rico have all legalized the use of marijuana to some degree. Yet the possession, distribution or sale of marijuana remains illegal under federal law, which means any contact with money that can be traced back to state marijuana operations could be considered money laundering and expose a bank to significant legal, operational and regulatory risk."
https://www.aba.com/advocacy/our-issues/cannabis
This doesn't seem to fit your narrative


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There was even another story posted in the same place that this thread is. Talking about some guy who had jars of DMT. And then some police officer went through the entire crime scene and sprinkled fentanyl in  everything.
That sounds like something a dumb cop would do.
Because that was also propaganda. Way less financed propaganda. Lower tier than even this.



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    #28563176 - 12/01/23 01:17 AM (5 months, 15 days ago)

I think I know what it means better than you do. Go look at my previous comments.

Scapegoat list. Drugs, musicians, art, video games.

You need to stop trying to convince me your propaganda is anything other than what it is.
I’ve done an excellent job explaining to you how it is terrible propaganda. You have not done anything to convince me it isn’t.

The burden of proof is not on me. So stop asking me to prove my things. She’s the person who went psycho and killed. She is the one that has to prove that marijuana. Had anything to do with it. I bet that can’t be done…

Do you know why?
Because that is not the case.
It is a lie.
That is propaganda.

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    #28563180 - 12/01/23 01:23 AM (5 months, 15 days ago)

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How about this gem. Because I need to prove this to you.

“My son is a serial killer because of video games…”

Sure he is. And I’m the king of the sea.
But only when I’m on the toilet.

These are scapegoats. Do you see anything in common amongst them?

These are our freedoms. Our methods of expression. Our methods of communication. They are trying to take that away from us with some ridiculous made up nonsense. They’ll cherry pick the most insane person who has ever listened to an insane clown posse CD.

They will find the school shooter that played call of duty.

It is propaganda, plain and simple. I am tired of it. It exhausts me. It makes me want to fight people…

I am done.

I have proven everything I needed to.
There is a plethora of evidence.
Every single thing that I’ve said has happened before. You can find cases of everything I’ve said.
Don’t let it happen again please.
:ciaolosers:




All this is red herring.
I'll entertain I guess. You don't have to cherry pick these stories. You shoot up a school or kill someone with an axe; you'll make the news.

As far as I can tell, we still have call of duty and icp.


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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenericHero]
    #28563183 - 12/01/23 01:25 AM (5 months, 15 days ago)

Because the propaganda didn’t work, dude!

Most people can tell that is not true.

People don’t kill because they play call of duty.

The guy did not go psycho because he listened to insane clown posse.

This woman did not murder somebody because of marijuana.

I can’t make this anymore clear.

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    #28563187 - 12/01/23 01:30 AM (5 months, 15 days ago)

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I think I know what it means better than you do. Go look at my previous comments.

Scapegoat list. Drugs, musicians, art, video games.

You need to stop trying to convince me your propaganda is anything other than what it is.
I’ve done an excellent job explaining to you how it is terrible propaganda. You have not done anything to convince me it isn’t.

The burden of proof is not on me. So stop asking me to prove my things. She’s the person who went psycho and killed. She is the one that has to prove that marijuana. Had anything to do with it. I bet that can’t be done…

Do you know why?
Because that is not the case.
It is a lie.
That is propaganda.




The burden of proof is on you. You are the one claiming to know better. You've made some grand claims and refused to provide any proof. The best you can do is something like "everyone knows" or "it just is"


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    #28563188 - 12/01/23 01:32 AM (5 months, 15 days ago)

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Because the propaganda didn’t work, dude!

Most people can tell that is not true.




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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenericHero]
    #28563189 - 12/01/23 01:32 AM (5 months, 15 days ago)

OK officer.
:trollcop:

If everything I’ve said, wasn’t enough to prove that isn’t true. Then there is no helping you.

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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28563191 - 12/01/23 01:33 AM (5 months, 15 days ago)

Wow! I read through this whole thing and it's clear to me that there are a few baseless assumptions that most are making:

First, calling this propaganda is an interesting choice.

There is definitely an abundance of propaganda out there, to be sure. But just because something says something you don't like, that does not make that thing propaganda.

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"he was charged with distributing enemy propaganda"

For something to be propaganda, there must be a particular underlying motive intending to sway a particular audience in a particular way.

This is a news piece. It is reporting something that happened. It is fairly matter-of-fact in tone. There is no mention at all whatsoever of anyone wanting to do anything about marijuana consumption, legality, or access.

There is no judgement placed for nor against the defendant by the journalist. If anything, there is a very faint air of skepticism of her story.

This is simply a report of a thing that happened.

Everyone getting worked up about it being propaganda needs to take a deep breath. No one is trying to take away anyone's drugs, freedom, or anything else. (At least not in this context.)

We live in a complicated universe where things can be both good and bad. Marijuana can be good for many people. It can be bad for other people.

Just like any other drug, some people can have adverse reactions.

I am personally of the opinion that all recreational drugs should be legalized and researched more. I am not trying to argue that marijuana is bad. I think it's extremely beneficial for a lot of people in a lot of circumstances and is overall safer than nicotine and alcohol, along with myriad prescription drugs whose side effects can be horrendous.

HOWEVER, I personally also have experienced episodes of delusional and somewhat psychotic breaks from consuming only small amounts of marijuana. I have had delusions of reference in which I thought TV's or radios were telling me things, and they were not good things. It was terrifying.

In fact, if I had to estimate, the majority of the times I have tried marijuana have been unpleasant and resulted in various levels of anxiety and paranoia.

So I don't think it's impossible for someone to experience a psychotic break due to consuming too much.

Whether or not you want to blame it on the individual for being "crazy" beforehand.... Well I hate to be the one to break it to you but all the people who are diagnosed "crazies" have a first episode that is brought on by something.  Nobody is crazy... Until you are.

I have ADHD, depression and anxiety. It is not widely known but "just" depression and anxiety can cause people to have transient psychotic symptoms and/or delusions when under high levels of stress or other risk factors. (Of which marijuana is a well known one -- I can cite sources for this if you doubt it.)

Now, shall I keep going?  I could post numbers of how many people will obtain a diagnosis of anxiety or depression in their life if you dispute the claim that it's a large number.

Of that subset, some may use marijuana. If their symptoms happen to converge in an unfortunate way, that person could perhaps experience an exacerbated psychotic break under the effect of the drug.

Why is this so unbelievable or objectionable?

Also, all the judgement about this woman is pretty telling. Yeah, maybe you are right and she premeditated the idea to get high and ruin her life by killing the things she was pretending to love because... Reasons?

Or maybe she really did have a horrific experience where she thought she was dead and heard voices telling her that she had to do this horrible thing to get out of this nightmare she was experiencing.

Can you imagine how horrific and traumatic that would be? No?  Just step outside your "this is propaganda" mindset for one moment and entertain the notion that this really happened the way she claimed.

This woman's life is wrecked and she killed the things she loved. Because she had an adverse reaction to a drug. This shit happens with all kinds of drugs, things as simple as antibiotics can and have caused some people to become almost completely paralyzed and in horrific pain for the rest of their lives. I can cite a particular case of this which I listened to on a popular podcast not long ago, if anyone would like.

Marijuana is a drug, and people are all different. I don't think this means that it should be illegal or restricted or anything. But I do think that is possible for things to be both good and bad at the same time.  Anyone who doesn't is the one trying to sell you some propaganda.

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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28563194 - 12/01/23 01:38 AM (5 months, 15 days ago)

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OK officer.
:trollcop:

If everything I’ve said, wasn’t enough to prove that isn’t true. Then there is no helping you.




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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenericHero]
    #28563196 - 12/01/23 01:41 AM (5 months, 15 days ago)

So you don’t see any correlation between any of those things I said, and this propaganda piece? No tangent at all?
I have tried my hardest. And you refuse to acknowledge any of this stuff that I’ve been telling you. You just keep telling me how marijuana psychosis exists. How you’re completely convinced of this propaganda being your truth.
So either you are trolling. Or you are completely beyond reason.
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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: jadedkarma]
    #28563197 - 12/01/23 01:42 AM (5 months, 15 days ago)

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Wow! I read through this whole thing and it's clear to me that there are a few baseless assumptions that most are making:

First, calling this propaganda is an interesting choice.

There is definitely an abundance of propaganda out there, to be sure. But just because something says something you don't like, that does not make that thing propaganda.

prop·a·gan·da
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"he was charged with distributing enemy propaganda"

For something to be propaganda, there must be a particular underlying motive intending to sway a particular audience in a particular way.

This is a news piece. It is reporting something that happened. It is fairly matter-of-fact in tone. There is no mention at all whatsoever of anyone wanting to do anything about marijuana consumption, legality, or access.

There is no judgement placed for nor against the defendant by the journalist. If anything, there is a very faint air of skepticism of her story.

This is simply a report of a thing that happened.

Everyone getting worked up about it being propaganda needs to take a deep breath. No one is trying to take away anyone's drugs, freedom, or anything else. (At least not in this context.)

We live in a complicated universe where things can be both good and bad. Marijuana can be good for many people. It can be bad for other people.

Just like any other drug, some people can have adverse reactions.

I am personally of the opinion that all recreational drugs should be legalized and researched more. I am not trying to argue that marijuana is bad. I think it's extremely beneficial for a lot of people in a lot of circumstances and is overall safer than nicotine and alcohol, along with myriad prescription drugs whose side effects can be horrendous.

HOWEVER, I personally also have experienced episodes of delusional and somewhat psychotic breaks from consuming only small amounts of marijuana. I have had delusions of reference in which I thought TV's or radios were telling me things, and they were not good things. It was terrifying.

In fact, if I had to estimate, the majority of the times I have tried marijuana have been unpleasant and resulted in various levels of anxiety and paranoia.

So I don't think it's impossible for someone to experience a psychotic break due to consuming too much.

Whether or not you want to blame it on the individual for being "crazy" beforehand.... Well I hate to be the one to break it to you but all the people who are diagnosed "crazies" have a first episode that is brought on by something.  Nobody is crazy... Until you are.

I have ADHD, depression and anxiety. It is not widely known but "just" depression and anxiety can cause people to have transient psychotic symptoms and/or delusions when under high levels of stress or other risk factors. (Of which marijuana is a well known one -- I can cite sources for this if you doubt it.)

Now, shall I keep going?  I could post numbers of how many people will obtain a diagnosis of anxiety or depression in their life if you dispute the claim that it's a large number.

Of that subset, some may use marijuana. If their symptoms happen to converge in an unfortunate way, that person could perhaps experience an exacerbated psychotic break under the effect of the drug.

Why is this so unbelievable or objectionable?

Also, all the judgement about this woman is pretty telling. Yeah, maybe you are right and she premeditated the idea to get high and ruin her life by killing the things she was pretending to love because... Reasons?

Or maybe she really did have a horrific experience where she thought she was dead and heard voices telling her that she had to do this horrible thing to get out of this nightmare she was experiencing.

Can you imagine how horrific and traumatic that would be? No?  Just step outside your "this is propaganda" mindset for one moment and entertain the notion that this really happened the way she claimed.

This woman's life is wrecked and she killed the things she loved. Because she had an adverse reaction to a drug. This shit happens with all kinds of drugs, things as simple as antibiotics can and have caused some people to become almost completely paralyzed and in horrific pain for the rest of their lives. I can cite a particular case of this which I listened to on a popular podcast not long ago, if anyone would like.

Marijuana is a drug, and people are all different. I don't think this means that it should be illegal or restricted or anything. But I do think that is possible for things to be both good and bad at the same time.  Anyone who doesn't is the one trying to sell you some propaganda.




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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28563200 - 12/01/23 01:46 AM (5 months, 15 days ago)

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So you don’t see any correlation between any of those things I said, and this propaganda piece? No tangent at all?
I have tried my hardest. And you refuse to acknowledge any of this stuff that I’ve been telling you. You just keep telling me how marijuana psychosis exists. How you’re completely convinced of this propaganda being your truth.
So either you are trolling. Or you are completely beyond reason.
:imout:




I've broken your posts up and acknowledged and responded to each piece.
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    #28563656 - 12/01/23 11:28 AM (5 months, 14 days ago)

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That's not her family. Omelia was her boyfriend's family. You missed stuff. She was subject to interviews and psychological testing. The results were interpreted by a licensed psychologist. Both the defense's and the prosecution's psychologists were in agreement. All those definitions I listed, the expert's testimony is admissable as evidence. If you want the nitty gritty, I've looked but can't find mohandie's report.




You're right, my mistake about the family.
Okay, so ALL of the evidence is the following:

1. Tested positive for THC
2. Video of her acting possessed.
3. Psychological interviews/testing that concluded in her having psychosis.

Did I word #3 correctly?  Did the interviews/tests conclude general psychosis or a more specific marijuana-induced psychosis?
What is the "nitty gritty" you speak of?  Her actual answers to the questions on the tests/interviews?







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I think she’s a somewhat intelligent psychopath. That was concealing her insanity. Doesn’t mean she wasn’t insane the whole time. She’s a loon. Why are you trying so hard to defend this absolutely insane woman who stabbed her husband 108 times and then then murdered a poor dog. That has nothing to do with marijuana at all.




I appreciate what GenericHero is doing here.  They are just following the facts as they see it.  Maybe they are a lawyer or something, but don't have to be.

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    #28563673 - 12/01/23 11:37 AM (5 months, 14 days ago)

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jadedkarma said:I personally also have experienced episodes of delusional and somewhat psychotic breaks from consuming only small amounts of marijuana. I have had delusions of reference in which I thought TV's or radios were telling me things, and they were not good things. It was terrifying.

In fact, if I had to estimate, the majority of the times I have tried marijuana have been unpleasant and resulted in various levels of anxiety and paranoia.

So I don't think it's impossible for someone to experience a psychotic break due to consuming too much.




Obviously, you need to never touch marijuana or shrooms or any psychedelic drug unless you want to end up like the girl in this story.  I wonder if the girl in this story was like you in that she knew weed made her feel weird, yet she used it anyways?




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I have ADHD, depression and anxiety. It is not widely known but "just" depression and anxiety can cause people to have transient psychotic symptoms and/or delusions when under high levels of stress or other risk factors. (Of which marijuana is a well known one -- I can cite sources for this if you doubt it.)




Yes, let's see those sources.

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    #28563677 - 12/01/23 11:40 AM (5 months, 14 days ago)

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    #28563686 - 12/01/23 11:54 AM (5 months, 14 days ago)

I hope the sauce is spicy :datass:

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    #28563803 - 12/01/23 01:36 PM (5 months, 14 days ago)

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Trashy story with no weight beside 2 sleezy psychiatrists and a psycho killer.




If the psychiatrist is some lefty socialist dog loving worker, that should be a conflict of interest IMO. All they will be able to make an assessment of is how crazy the person must be to stab their own dog, and that's probably about it.. NM that the suspect might have realized after the first few stabbings, that if they take out their dog and stab another 100+ times then they might be able to claim being the victim. If she only stabbed her dog once, but stabbed the bf 100+ times, IMO that would show that she was fully aware of the situation..



There were two psychologists. One for defence and one for prosecution. They were in agreement with one another. The prosecution's works as a consultant for law enforcement. https://www.policepsychology.org/Kris-Mohandie-PhD

How do you know which assessments will be used and to what extent they will reveal?




Seriously, one of the psychologists you linked is Kris Mohandie, the guy that worked on the high profile OJ Simpson trial? They are workin on this case too?

So in other words, the crazy girl will get off practically scott free just like OJ the murderer, and write a book about how she stabbed him over a hundred times in 15 years? WTF, lol. Ok yeah, then that is an even bigger conflict of interest..

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    #28563965 - 12/01/23 03:53 PM (5 months, 14 days ago)

* UPDATE: Guilty verdict in Bryn Spejcher cannabis-induced killing trial ...

Conflicting portraits emerge as cannabis killing case heads to jury
December 1, 2023 - vcstar.com

Attorneys in Bryn Spejcher’s manslaughter trial gave their closing arguments Thursday, drawing two very different portraits of the woman who killed Chad O'Melia in 2018. The prosecution called her a callous, narcissistic party girl who just wanted to get high that night, while the defense described her as “a very responsible young woman” who had no idea smoking pot could trigger violent psychosis.

Spejcher, 32, is charged with involuntary manslaughter in the death of O’Melia, a man she’d been dating for a few weeks. She stabbed him to death at his Thousand Oaks condominium with kitchen knives while in the throes of what both the defense and prosecution agree was a cannabis-induced psychotic episode.

She also stabbed herself in the neck repeatedly and would likely have died had police not arrived just in time to disarm her and stanch the bleeding, according to testimony during the trial.

With no disagreement about whether she killed O’Melia or whether her psychosis was real, Spejcher’s trial revolved around the question of whether her cannabis intoxication was “voluntary.” Under California criminal law, people are responsible for their actions when impaired by alcohol or drugs unless their intoxication was involuntary.

According to the jury instructions in Spejcher’s trial, “involuntary intoxication” could mean she took the drug unknowingly, took it due to “force, duress, fraud or trickery” or took it without knowing it could produce such intoxicating effects.

Defense: Couldn't have foreseen pot's effects

Robert Schwartz, Spejcher’s defense attorney, argued to jurors Thursday that multiple legal definitions of “involuntary intoxication” apply in this case. He said O’Melia pressured Spejcher to take a second, oversize bong hit and she did it because she felt intimidated by him, though he didn’t threaten her or use physical force.

Schwartz also said Spejcher couldn’t have known the weed would cause a psychotic episode, because she had only consumed cannabis a handful of times and had only gotten mildly high once. And he said “trickery” applies as well, because she had no idea what exactly was in O’Melia’s bong when he put it in front of her face, full of smoke.

There were no drugs other than marijuana found in O’Melia’s condo. Tests from 2018 of the marijuana that was found, both in a container in his bedroom and as burned residue in the bong, were not conclusive as to its concentration of THC, the psychoactive compound in cannabis.

Spejcher’s attorneys argued the cannabis she smoked was probably the same stuff that O’Melia had ordered from an unlicensed medical marijuana delivery service about a week earlier: a strain called OG Kush with a THC content of 31.8%. That’s a relatively high level of THC, and on its website, the now-defunct delivery service warned potential buyers the strain was meant for “high tolerance patients only.”

Spejcher’s defense team also called expert witnesses who testified that a concentrated form of cannabis could have been added to that weed, making it even stronger.

“Who knew the contents of the bong? Bryn didn’t know. Chad knew,” Schwartz told the jury. “Who purchased the marijuana? Who loaded the marijuana? Who prepared the marijuana? It was Chad. … She had no reaction at all to the first bong hit, so why in the world would she expect that when he pressured her to take another, that anything different would happen?”

Schwartz also reminded the jury of the testimony of one of O’Melia’s roommates, Vini de Oliveira, on the first day of the trial three weeks earlier. De Oliveira had never smoked pot before until one night in 2018 when he decided to try it with O’Melia and another friend. He smoked from O’Melia’s bong and soon started to hallucinate and panic. He felt his heart racing, thought he was dying and wanted his friends to take him to the hospital.

O’Melia and his friend convinced de Oliveira to wait it out and try to sleep it off instead. He felt better after a nap, but later told police he still felt high when he went to work the following afternoon.

“No one is suggesting that Chad wanted Bryn to have a psychotic reaction,” Schwartz said in his closing argument. “But Chad had some obligation to tell Bryn. Chad knew she was an inexperienced or naïve user, just like Vini was, and he knew the horrible reaction that Vini had. … He knew what happened to Vini and he didn’t tell her about it.”

Prosecutor: 'She's trying to save her own skin'

In her closing argument, prosecutor Audry Nafziger called Spejcher’s contention that she didn’t like marijuana and didn’t want to get high that night “a false narrative.”

Nafziger pointed to texts between Spejcher and her friends from the months leading up to O’Melia’s death, which included multiple texts from Spejcher about being drunk and once missing a morning of work due to a hangover. There were also texts from Spejcher about consuming edible forms of cannabis.

“This is a young woman who was living a lifestyle of getting drunk, passing out, missing work, and her decision to become intoxicated on May 28 resulted in the vicious and violent death of Chad O’Melia,” Nafziger said.

Nafziger told the jury there is no evidence O’Melia put anything other than “regular old marijuana” in the bong he prepared for Spejcher. She also said it’s implausible that O’Melia “made her” inhale from the bong, because Spejcher is a strong, assertive, professional woman — she holds a doctoral degree and worked as an audiologist — and was “the boss” in her relationship with O’Melia.

“She was not afraid of Chad O’Melia,” Spejcher said. “Her newfound fear is fabricated. She’s trying to save her own skin. … Anyone can point the finger at someone else and say, ‘He made me do it.’ She’s very good at blaming other people for her problems.”

Nafziger also said Spejcher didn’t show any remorse when she testified in her own defense on Tuesday.

“What we saw on the witness stand was narcissism on full display,” Nafziger said. “It was the ‘me, me, me’ show. … She had tears for herself, but none for Chad. No remorse, no compassion.”

Schwartz called Nafziger’s description of Spejcher “character assassination” and an attempt to “dirty up” the defendant.

“The person who’s been depicted to you by the prosecution would be unrecognizable to anyone who knows her well,” Schwartz told the jury, pointing to the character witnesses who described Spejcher as always honest and nonviolent as well as her work helping people who have hearing loss, as Spejcher herself does.

Spejcher’s texts about going out drinking with her friends are “a distraction and have no relevancy to this case whatsoever,” Schwartz said.

“She was a young woman in her 20s. What’s wrong with her going out with her friends, as long as she doesn’t drive when she’s been drinking?” he said.

The jury began its deliberations on Friday morning. If Spejcher is convicted of involuntary manslaughter, she is likely to face a prison sentence of up to four years.


* Jurors returned a guilty verdict in the case Friday afternoon. This story will be updated.

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    #28564004 - 12/01/23 04:33 PM (5 months, 14 days ago)

From the link in the article you just posted:

"Spejcher’s defense revolves around an argument that she was “involuntary intoxicated” because O’Melia pressured her to smoke and prepared the bong. In addition, she didn’t know what was in the bong or how strong the cannabis was, her lawyers have argued, nor could she have foreseen that smoking pot would trigger a psychotic episode."

So she had no idea what was in the bong and she went ahead and smoked it anyways, her lawyers are saying.  :facepalm:
This girl takes no responsibility for anything she does, it seems.  She's too perfect, I guess. :rolleyes:


From the article you just posted:

"Tests from 2018 of the marijuana that was found, both in a container in his bedroom and as burned residue in the bong, were not conclusive as to its concentration of THC, the psychoactive compound in cannabis.

Spejcher’s attorneys argued the cannabis she smoked was probably the same stuff that O’Melia had ordered from an unlicensed medical marijuana delivery service about a week earlier: a strain called OG Kush with a THC content of 31.8%."

So they don't even know if the "marijuana" had active chemicals in it?!  They assume it "probably" was the same "stuff" ordered by O'Melia recently?  Seems like they are doing a lot of assuming... not good lawyer-work.

How can they prove O'Melia pressured the girl to take the weed hits?  Just assume that as well?

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    #28564058 - 12/01/23 05:16 PM (5 months, 14 days ago)

Since the jury came back with a guilty verdict so quickly, I don't think they bought any of the defense's BS. Soon we'll find out what the sentence is. Even if she gets the maximum four years, she is getting off way too easy. It's possible she could get less, but I doubt that.

But even if someone hears voices telling them to kill, that doesn't mean they have to listen to them. She had a choice, and chose to kill.

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    #28564154 - 12/01/23 06:05 PM (5 months, 14 days ago)

Interesting.  Good for the jury.
Yea, four years for this crime is a joke.
I can't believe the prosecution psychologist agreed with the defense that she was in a marijuana-induced psychosis. 
I feel like something nefarious happened here, involving pro-drug-war government officials/police.

And yea, you're right, she chose to listen to the voices and kill.

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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #28564267 - 12/01/23 07:20 PM (5 months, 14 days ago)

Update ...

Bryn Spejcher found guilty in cannabis-induced killing of man she dated
December 1, 2023 - vcstar.com

After deliberating for less than four hours Friday, a jury found Bryn Spejcher guilty of involuntary manslaughter in the 2018 killing of Chad O’Melia of Thousand Oaks.

When the verdict was read, Spejcher dropped her head to the table and cried quietly. She later broke out in loud sobs after her lawyers asked the jurors to confirm their unanimous verdict, one by one. The panel had heard evidence and arguments since Nov. 9.

Ventura County Superior Court Judge Anthony Sabo denied a motion by prosecutors to have Spejcher remanded into custody. She left the courtroom with her lawyers and her family.

Spejcher, 32, will be back in court Monday for a separate hearing on four enhancements to the manslaughter conviction, including allegations that she used a deadly weapon and that her crime involved great violence. She will be free on bail until that hearing is complete.

She waived her right to a jury trial on the enhancements, so that portion of the case will be decided by Judge David Worley, who presided over Spejcher’s jury trial. Worley was unavailable Friday so Sabo filled in for the verdict.

Involuntary manslaughter typically carries a sentence of up to about four years in state prison, though the enhancements could increase Spejcher’s sentence.

On the night she killed O’Melia, stabbing both him and herself repeatedly with kitchen knives, Spejcher was in what both defense and prosecution experts agreed was a severe psychotic episode triggered by marijuana she smoked from O’Melia’s bong. Prosecutors reduced the charge against her from murder to manslaughter due to those expert opinions about her mental state.

O’Melia was 26 when he was killed. He was from Santa Clarita and had graduated from Chico State University. He lived in a condo in Thousand Oaks with two roommates and his dog and was working at an accounting firm and studying to be a certified public accountant.

He met Spejcher at a dog park in the spring of 2018. They had been dating for a few weeks when she came over on the night of May 27. She stabbed him to death a little after midnight.

Sean O’Melia, Chad O’Melia’s father, attended the entire jury trail and many pretrial hearings. He said he was grateful for the hard work that prosecutors and police put in but wouldn't call the outcome “justice.”

“I just want my son back, and that’s not going to happen,” he said outside the courtroom after the verdict was delivered.

Spejcher’s defense revolved around the idea that she was “involuntarily intoxicated,” and she claimed O’Melia had pressured and intimidated her into taking the last bong hit. The jurors did not agree.

“Ultimately, there are only people that have taken a loss here. There’s no winning here,” Sean O’Melia said. “At the same time, I think the first impact to me and my family was the loss of our son, and the next thing that occurred was what we had to go through listening to … all the derogatory remarks about somebody that we had just lost.”

Sean O'Melia filed a wrongful death lawsuit against Spejcher in 2020. It has been on hold until the end of her criminal case.

Two pictures of Bryn Spejcher

The jury's swift verdict arrived on the first day of its deliberations. The day before, jurors heard closing arguments from the prosecutor and from Spejcher’s attorney.

The prosecution portrayed Spejcher as a callous, narcissistic party girl who just wanted to get high the night she killed O’Melia, while the defense described her as “a very responsible young woman” who had no idea smoking pot could trigger violent psychosis.

With no disagreement about whether she killed O’Melia or whether her psychosis was real, the trial revolved around the question of whether her cannabis intoxication was voluntary.

Under California criminal law, people are responsible for their actions when impaired by alcohol or drugs unless their intoxication was involuntary. According to the jury instructions in Spejcher’s trial, “involuntary intoxication” could mean she took the drug unknowingly, took it due to “force, duress, fraud or trickery" or took it without knowing it could produce such intoxicating effects.

Robert Schwartz, Spejcher’s defense attorney, argued to the jury Thursday that multiple legal definitions of “involuntary intoxication” applied in this case. He said O’Melia pressured Spejcher to take a second, oversized bong hit and she did it because she felt intimidated by him, though O'Melia didn’t threaten her or use physical force.

Schwartz also said Spejcher couldn’t have known the weed would cause a psychotic episode because she had only consumed cannabis a handful of times in her life and had only gotten mildly high once. And he said “trickery” applied as well because she had no idea what exactly was in O’Melia’s bong when he put in front of her face, full of smoke.

There were no drugs other than marijuana found in O’Melia’s condo. Tests from 2018 of the marijuana that was found, both in a container in his bedroom and as burned residue in the bong, were not conclusive as to its concentration of THC, the psychoactive compound in cannabis.

Spejcher’s attorneys argued the cannabis she smoked was probably the same stuff O’Melia had ordered from an unlicensed medical marijuana delivery service about a week earlier: a strain called OG Kush with a THC content of 31.8%. That’s a relatively high level of THC, and on its website, the now-defunct delivery service warned potential buyers that strain was meant for “high tolerance patients only.” Spejcher’s defense team also called expert witnesses who testified that a concentrated form of cannabis could have been added to that weed, making it even stronger.

“Who knew the contents of the bong? Bryn didn’t know. Chad knew,” Schwartz told the jury. “Who purchased the marijuana? Who loaded the marijuana? Who prepared the marijuana? It was Chad. … She had no reaction at all to the first bong hit, so why in the world would she expect that when he pressured her to take another, that anything different would happen?”

In her closing argument, prosecutor Audry Nafziger called Spejcher’s contention that she didn’t like marijuana and didn’t want to get high that night “a false narrative.” Nafziger pointed to texts between Spejcher and her friends from the months leading up to O’Melia’s death, which included multiple texts from Spejcher about being drunk and once missing a morning of work due to a hangover. There were also texts from Spejcher about consuming edible forms of cannabis.

“This is a young woman who was living a lifestyle of getting drunk, passing out, missing work, and her decision to become intoxicated on May 28 resulted in the vicious and violent death of Chad O’Melia,” Nafziger said.

Nafziger told the jury there is no evidence O’Melia put anything other than “regular old marijuana” in the bong he prepared for Spejcher. She also said it’s implausible that O’Melia “made her” inhale from the bong, because Spejcher is a strong, assertive, professional woman — she holds a doctoral degree and worked as an audiologist — and was “the boss” in her relationship with O’Melia.

“She was not afraid of Chad O’Melia,” Spejcher said. “Her newfound fear is fabricated. She’s trying to save her own skin. … Anyone can point the finger at someone else and say, ‘He made me do it.’ She’s very good at blaming other people for her problems.”

Nafziger also said Spejcher didn’t show any remorse when she testified in her own defense on Tuesday.

“What we saw on the witness stand was narcissism on full display,” Nafziger said. “It was the ‘me, me, me’ show. … She had tears for herself, but none for Chad, no remorse, no compassion.”

Schwartz called Nafziger’s description of Spejcher “character assassination” and an attempt to “dirty up” the defendant. Character witnesses described her as honest and nonviolent, and she devoted her career to helping people who have hearing loss, as Spejcher herself does.

“The person who’s been depicted to you by the prosecution would be unrecognizable to anyone who knows her well,” Schwartz told the jury.

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    #28565282 - 12/02/23 01:22 PM (5 months, 13 days ago)

Og kush didnt kill tht dude.  She did


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    #28565526 - 12/02/23 04:26 PM (5 months, 13 days ago)

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I’m not the person who did a crime. I don’t have to prove it.
You’re the person making claims that you believe the psychiatrist. You should prove to me that she actually did go insane from marijuana. Because those psychiatrist can’t.
It does not matter to me that they were on opposite sides of the room. That would make even more sense. This would be a better attempt to further legitimize the false claims being made.

How do you not understand how bribery and lobbying works?

Her charges were reduced because she’s a white woman…

I’m not gonna prove that one for you either so don’t ask me too.

If that person had been any other color. I guarantee she would not have gotten her charges reduced.

This is propaganda of the lowest possible tier.
I can’t believe you’re trying to defend it this hard.

There is no such thing as marijuana induced psychosis.
There never was!
Marijuana madness is a marketing tool used by a racist government.
It also does not exist!

They are the same. How do you not know that?
They are the same Fake boondoggle nonsense propaganda tool that has been used since the early 60s to combat peoples personal freedoms.
:fuckthisshit:
I like my freedom!
I’m not letting some psychopath take it away from me.




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    #28569214 - 12/05/23 03:17 AM (5 months, 11 days ago)

'Psychotic' killer remains free, gets to spend Xmas and New Year's with family. Sentencing set for January 23rd ...

Thousand Oaks Woman Convicted In Cannabis Killing Will Remain Free Pending Sentencing
December 4, 2023 - KVTA

Updated--A Thousand Oaks woman will remain free pending sentencing over the objection of prosecutors after the judge found that two of the five special allegations and enhancements against her were not true.

A jury Friday convicted 32-year-old Bryn Spejcher of Thousand Oaks of involuntary manslaughter in the cannabis-induced killing of 26-year-old Chad O'Melia on Memorial Day 2018.

Several special allegations and enhancements were not decided by the jury and were decided Monday by the judge in what's known as a "court trial" where the judge acts as the jury.

The judge found the special allegations of use of a deadly weapon and that the crime was a serious felony were not true.

The judge however found true that it involved great violence and that the defendant engaged in violent conduct, and was armed with and used a weapon.

His decisions will determine where and for how long she might be locked up.

The judge set sentencing for January 23rd and again rejected a request by the prosecution that she be jailed now pending sentencing.

She remains free on bail.

Both sides in this case agreed that she acted under the influence of a cannabis-induced psychosis and so the killing was involuntary manslaughter.

But the prosecution maintained that even though the marijuana made her unaware of what she was doing, she bears some responsibility for having used it in the first place.


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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: veggie]
    #28569684 - 12/05/23 10:36 AM (5 months, 10 days ago)

I think that’s one of the first time I’ve heard of a violent murderer getting to spend New Year’s with their family.
I guess we just get to Hope she doesn’t escape. Because this would definitely be the perfect opportunity to do that.
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    #28570260 - 12/05/23 05:28 PM (5 months, 10 days ago)

This story makes me absolutely sick.
The judge found she didn't use a deadly weapon?  How the FUCK are knives not a deadly weapon?!

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    #28570291 - 12/05/23 05:43 PM (5 months, 10 days ago)

I bet her ex-boyfriend would think it’s a deadly weapon…

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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28570706 - 12/05/23 09:37 PM (5 months, 10 days ago)

This judge has a lifetime, 15 or 10 year job impunity to free murderers? The corruption in the USA is so thorough.

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    #28589210 - 12/19/23 12:43 AM (4 months, 28 days ago)

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Okay, so ALL of the evidence is the following:

1. Tested positive for THC
2. Video of her acting possessed.
3. Psychological interviews/testing that concluded in her having psychosis.

Did I word #3 correctly?  Did the interviews/tests conclude general psychosis or a more specific marijuana-induced psychosis?
What is the "nitty gritty" you speak of?  Her actual answers to the questions on the tests/interviews?




i don't know what all of the evidence is. i don't know the specifics beyond what i've already stated. the nitty gritty would be something like the doctor's notes and the specifics of whatever tests she was put through. we do know the result of this testing and interview process. "the state made the controversial shift in charges based on the scientific opinion of their expert" https://lawandcrime.com/crime/woman-who-became-acutely-psychotic-after-smoking-marijuana-and-then-stabbed-a-man-108-times-before-trying-to-kill-herself-is-convicted-of-involuntary-manslaughter/


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Obviously, you need to never touch marijuana or shrooms or any psychedelic drug unless you want to end up like the girl in this story.  I wonder if the girl in this story was like you in that she knew weed made her feel weird, yet she used it anyways?




"Schwartz also said Spejcher couldn’t have known the weed would cause a psychotic episode, because she had only consumed cannabis a handful of times and had only gotten mildly high once."


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I have ADHD, depression and anxiety. It is not widely known but "just" depression and anxiety can cause people to have transient psychotic symptoms and/or delusions when under high levels of stress or other risk factors. (Of which marijuana is a well known one -- I can cite sources for this if you doubt it.)




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Yes, let's see those sources.



i got you.
"There is no one cause of psychosis. Psychosis appears to result from a complex combination of genetic risk, differences in brain development, and exposure to stressors or trauma. Psychosis may be a symptom of a mental illness, such as schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, or severe depression. However, a person can experience psychosis and never be diagnosed with schizophrenia or any other disorder."

from same article:
"Other possible causes of psychosis include sleep deprivation, certain prescription medications, and the misuse of alcohol or drugs. A mental illness, such as schizophrenia, is typically diagnosed by excluding these other causes." "A qualified mental health professional (such as a psychologist, psychiatrist, or social worker) can provide a thorough assessment and accurate diagnosis." https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/understanding-psychosis

here's another source
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3283146/



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Seriously, one of the psychologists you linked is Kris Mohandie, the guy that worked on the high profile OJ Simpson trial? They are workin on this case too?

So in other words, the crazy girl will get off practically scott free just like OJ the murderer, and write a book about how she stabbed him over a hundred times in 15 years? WTF, lol. Ok yeah, then that is an even bigger conflict of interest..




sigh... kris mohandie is not listed as a member of the defense in the oj simpson trial. he was the negotiator that got oj to surrender. oj is said to have gotten off because the defense played to the anti-lapd feelings of the "majority black" jury. https://www.vanityfair.com/magazine/1995/11/dunne199511

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Since the jury came back with a guilty verdict so quickly, I don't think they bought any of the defense's BS. Soon we'll find out what the sentence is. Even if she gets the maximum four years, she is getting off way too easy. It's possible she could get less, but I doubt that.

But even if someone hears voices telling them to kill, that doesn't mean they have to listen to them. She had a choice, and chose to kill.





"What does the term psychosis mean?

Psychosis refers to a deficit in reality testing—the ability to differentiate self-generated stimuli (e.g., thoughts, imagery, and feelings) from external stimuli (i.e., perceptions) and assign appropriate meaning to experiences—with a lack of insight regarding the deficit." Joshua J. Rodgers, Benjamin L. Weinstein, in Neurology Secrets (Sixth Edition), 2017

people with depression don't have to be depressed, they just need to make the choice to not be depressed. ezpz

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You got some real patience.  Generic hero is just that, generic.. I’ve seen this “prove it” “I love science” shtick many a time.  Don’t even waste your energy




interesting, i've seen the ""prove it" "i love science" shtick"" shtick many a time.


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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenericHero]
    #28589216 - 12/19/23 12:51 AM (4 months, 28 days ago)

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    #28632250 - 01/23/24 03:52 PM (3 months, 23 days ago)

Update. A complete travesty of justice ...

No prison time for Bryn Spejcher, 100 hours community service and two years probation for killing her boyfriend
January 23, 2024 - VC Star

After a jury found her guilty in December of involuntary manslaughter in a killing triggered by cannabis psychosis, Bryn Spejcher was sentenced Tuesday to two years probation and no prison time.

The sentence drew sobs of relief from Spejcher and her loved ones while family members of the victim, 26-year-old Chad Melia of Thousand Oaks, exclaimed in shock and anger. “Oh my God!” they said.

Ventura County Superior Court Judge David Worley said his decision was based on the lack of culpability, asserting the “senseless” killing early the morning of May 28, 2018, was propelled by the psychotic episode that experts for the prosecution and defense attributed to the bong hits of marijuana Spejcher and O’Melia smoked.

“From that point forward, she had no control over her actions,” Worley said before announcing probation and a suspended prison sentence of four years. The incarceration could be imposed if Spejcher, who turns 33 on Thursday and lived in Thousand Oaks at the time of the crime, violates probation. The sentence also includes 100 hours of community service focused on raising awareness about the effects of marijuana-induced psychosis.

Moments after the verdict, the victim’s father, Sean O’Melia, accused Worley of bias and said the ruling set a dangerous precedent.

“He just gave everyone in the state of California who smokes marijuana a license to kill someone,” he said.

Spejcher’s father, Mike Spejcher, declined comment. Her lawyer, Bob Schwartz, said he was happy for the family.

“Judge Worley did the right and courageous thing,” Schwartz said.

Spejcher and O’Melia initially met at a dog park and had been dating for just weeks before they smoked marijuana together at his apartment in Thousand Oaks late the night of May 27, 2018. Testimony showed that under the influence of the psychotic episode, she stabbed O’Melia more than 100 times with different knives, also stabbing herself.

When law enforcement arrived shortly after midnight, O’Melia was covered in a pool of blood. Spejcher was screaming hysterically and holding a knife she plunged into her neck. Law enforcement officers used a Taser and several baton blows to disarm her and then called for paramedics in actions her family said saved her life.

Spejcher’s lawyers said during the trial that she was “involuntarily intoxicated,” and claimed O’Melia had pressured and intimidated her into taking the last bong hit. Under California criminal law, people are responsible for their actions when impaired by alcohol or drugs unless their intoxication was involuntary.

The jurors rejected the defense’s argument. They deliberated for less than four hours before finding her guilty of involuntary manslaughter on Dec. 1.

During the trial, the prosecution portrayed Spejcher as a callous, narcissistic party girl who just wanted to get high the night she killed O’Melia. At the sentencing hearing, her parents and others painted a dramatically different picture, focusing on her hearing impairment and her work before the crime as a licensed audiologist.

“She has worked her whole life helping others,” her father, Mike Spejcher, said.

Bryn Spejcher also spoke during the sentencing, noting she had been accused repeatedly of showing no remorse. Sobbing, she repeatedly apologized to Sean O’Melia.

“My actions have ripped your family apart,” she said. “I am broken and aching inside. I hurt that you never see Chad again.”

The hearing was held in a courtroom so crowded spectators sat in the jury box and others stayed in the hallway, tuning into a livestreamed broadcast. The hearing was punctuated by drama too with Sean O’Melia jumping to his feet to interrupt Spejcher’s attorney and then minutes later walking out of the courtroom in frustration.

The day before the hearing, family and friends of Chad O'Melia marched in front of the county government center, urging a sentence that included prison time. They carried signs that said, “108 Stab Wounds Is A Serious Crime,” and “Judge Worley, Do The Right Thing.”

O’Melia was 26 when he was killed. He was from Santa Clarita and had graduated from Chico State University. He lived in a condo in Thousand Oaks with two roommates and his dog and was working at an accounting firm and studying to be a certified public accountant.

He was kind, motivated and everybody’s friend. He owned a laugh that drew people to him, friends and family members said during the sentencing. They talked too about Michelle Larrivee, Chad’s mother who died in a diabetic coma less than two years after her son's death. Her friends said the death was caused by a broken heart.

Family and friends urged Worley to impose prison time on Spejcher.

“There is no winner in this tragedy,” said Brendan O’Melia, the victim’s brother. “There can be, however, accountability.”

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    #28632295 - 01/23/24 04:21 PM (3 months, 23 days ago)

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“He just gave everyone in the state of California who smokes marijuana a license to kill someone,” he said.





This is the only takeaway from this that makes sense.
The justice system has failed horribly and has allowed the public to be endangered with this murderer allowed free.

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    #28632313 - 01/23/24 04:34 PM (3 months, 23 days ago)

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Quote:

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“He just gave everyone in the state of California who smokes marijuana a license to kill someone,” he said.





This is the only takeaway from this that makes sense.
The justice system has failed horribly and has allowed the public to be endangered with this murderer allowed free.



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    #28632412 - 01/23/24 06:09 PM (3 months, 23 days ago)

They are basically saying he forced her to smoke it. As if he held her down or threatened harm.. 

Why does the 100 hours of community service have to be focused on marijuana psychosis awareness? Thats a huge red flag. So like, she gets to spend those hours writing that book I was talking about, like OJ did? 

This whole story has MK ultra or crisis act psyop vibes all over it. Just too ridiculous to actually be true..

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    #28633388 - 01/24/24 02:09 PM (3 months, 22 days ago)

As a fatalist, I have never once seen someone undergo a complete transformation of personality, regardless of hard drug use or their own mistreatment.

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She was an accomplished person apparently.




I blame social promotions, in which a lifetime worth of red flags were overlooked.

There is a hypothetical middleground, in which a schizo effective person is triggered by some stressful event, whether it involves her being pressured to smoke oregano or pencil sharpener shavings.

I believe it was predictable, as all people, everywhere, are eventually predictable to the nth degree.

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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: durian_2008] * 1
    #28633409 - 01/24/24 02:29 PM (3 months, 22 days ago)

She’s now the flag child of marijuana psychosis.
Something there is still no evidence of.
She is walking the streets right now because of people that are trying to push the propaganda campaign that marijuana can make you lose your mind and stab someone and that is completely the drugs fault.


Something that happened over 50 years ago. Yet we are still letting people bully us into having this be a narrative.

Marijuana of all things.
Not PCP. No no no. The marijuana.
That’s the one that’ll make you go into a psychotic break and stab someone 108 times. That’s on record now.
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    #28642351 - 01/31/24 07:54 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/29/us/california-mojave-desert-six-dead-arrests/index.html

These guys should get off pretty easy then eh? It was the weeds fault right?

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    #28642806 - 02/01/24 10:44 AM (3 months, 14 days ago)

From my neck of the woods.

The gangs have police affiliation, and the police have gang affiliation, just like in other failed countries where the avocado is a blood commodity.

Like historical examples, from around the world, where strongmen just arbitrarily assume the color of authority, and it is the job of some emperor figure to unify all the little, fragmented city states, doing their own thing, under one collective banner.

Some fascist figure is going to ask future generations if they would prefer the 'anarchy of former days'.

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