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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: oursoulsinmotion]
    #28546550 - 11/17/23 02:15 PM (2 months, 9 days ago)

Everyone seems to be using anecdotes to disprove her position. Just because you've not experienced something like this doesn't mean it couldn't happen. This guy shot his wife after eating THC gummies. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/denver-man-who-said-marijuana-made-him-kill-his-wife-n744056
There was some history of schizophrenia in his family. I imagine if Bryn's history were looked into, something similar might turn up. It might be worth investigating whether or not she's had any episodes or indication of something like schizophrenia prior to this event.

Atorvastatin is said to be the most prescribed prescription drug, but carries the risk of kidney, liver, and muscle damage. It is safe for a majority of users. Some people get fucked up from using it. They same is true for marijuana. The substance is under-studied and the rare adverse reactions are over-reported. Ultimately, I doubt anyone's position on the substance is changed much. People who were opposed are still opposed. Those in favor still are. I don't think it's good form to attack the woman in this story. She's lost her boyfriend, her dog, and almost killed herself.

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This part is interesting.
"Spejcher confessed to police and was charged with murder. But last month, Judge David Worley approved a motion from prosecutors, seeking to have the charge reduced to involuntary manslaughter, reports the Thousand Oaks Acorn."

Seems the reduction in charges originated with the prosecution


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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28551838 - 11/21/23 05:18 PM (2 months, 5 days ago)

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Typerwritermonky said:
Prosecutors realized they wouldn't get murder charges to stick so they motioned to have the charges lowered to involuntary manslaughter to get those to stick.  Classic tactic.




If there were evidence enough to convict her of murder they would pursue those charges.
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Typerwritermonky said:
But there is no fucking way prosecutors submitted this evidence.  This is reaction to the defense claiming psychosis and act of insanity.



Right, because it's basically a get out of jail free card. Insanity plea represents 1% of all court cases and of those only 25% are successful.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/law-disorder/202002/not-guilty-reason-insanity?amp

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Typerwritermonky said:
Cannabis doesn't cause people to kill people, even schizophrenic people.  You don't just smoke weed and then start murdering people.  These people are sick in the head and should be institutionalized for at least a decade, they'd have murdered them anyway.



You got proofs for these claims?

"Cannabis is involved in approximately 50% of psychosis, schizophrenia, and schizophreniform psychosis cases. Cannabis is a known risk factor for schizophrenia, although the exact neurobiological process through which the effects on psychosis occur is not well understood."https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3927252/#:~:text=TRANSITION%20TO%20PSYCHOSIS%20AND%20CANNABIS,occur%20is%20not%20well%20understood.
"the consumption of marijuana is associated with an increase in violent behavior over the course of an individual’s lifespan, a high risk of psychosis for frequent users..."
"According to research studies, marijuana use causes aggressive behavior, causes or exacerbates psychosis, and produces paranoia. These effects have been illustrated through case studies of highly publicized incidents and heightened political profiles.

These cases contain examples of repeated illustrations of aggression, psychosis and paranoia by marijuana users and intoxication. Ultimately, without the use and intoxication of marijuana, the poor judgment and misperceptions displayed by these individuals would not have been present, reducing the risk for actions that result in senseless deaths."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7084484/

She seemed to be managing before she used marijuana. There's absolutely no way to prove she would've killed without it. Then, when she used it, everything went sideways. Wonder what the reason could be.
As for "You don't just smoke weed and then start murdering people" ever hear of gangs?
"Other research on drug use among gang members reveals some similar substance use patterns reported on here. For instance, several studies have indicated marijuana is the most commonly used illegal drug, whereby over 90% of the samples reported such use."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4160842/#:~:text=Other%20research%20on%20drug%20use,et%20al.%2C%202006).
It is said that 13% of murders in the United States are gang related.
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Typerwritermonky said:
It's just selfish ass people wanting less consequences and not giving a fuck what they have to do to get it.  Honestly I used to have so much more compassion but these days I say just turn them to mulch or soylent green.




The "ass" is the one from which you've pulled all these assumptions.

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The woman in this story is worse than the average murderer.
She stabbed the guy 108 times.  That's dedication.  That takes a lot of energy and effort and persistence.
And to top it off, she stabbed the poor dog to death.
This person is the epitome of evil and should get death penalty.




Did you miss the part where she had to be tazered twice and her arm broken before she would stop stabbing herself?

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GenesisCorrupted said:
Well, it’s a good thing that we’re past the point where people will believe anything like this.
It’s been a long time since marijuana madness was shown as a play.
I heard of some dude who brought a gun to a festival. Took a bunch of mushrooms. Then decided to go back to the tent and start murdering people with his gun.

That asshole got arrested too. No one’s buying “the drugs made me do it” excuse anymore.

As long as we don’t let anybody become the scapegoat. Psychedelics should be legalized in this country soon.

Dumb ass holes like this will be probably the only thing that could get that taken away.
But even the guy who tried to crash a plane while on mushrooms. Still is responsible for trying to crash a plane. The mushrooms are not responsible for making him crash a plane.

Bunch of Chuds. They should have an extra 5 years put onto their sentences anytime someone tries to claim “the drugs did it, not me.”




Jesus, what's with you people? If no one was buying it, the court wouldn't consider those sorts of things. If it were just a trick to avoid responsibility, wouldn't someone have figured it out by now? The psychologists who were playing these games found out and punished? Wouldn't the judge have to be in on it too? If these people were functioning prior to having ingested psychoactive drugs and then not. Doesn't that indicate that the drugs caused them to be in a such a state? The defense had a phycology expert and so did the persecution. The prosecution's expert agreed with the defense's.
"On Wednesday, jurors heard from the witness whose opinion was perhaps most influential in prosecutors' decision to reduce the charge to manslaughter: Kris Mohandie, a psychologist and consultant to law enforcement agencies who was hired by the Ventura County District Attorney’s Office to examine Spejcher. He interviewed Spejcher in January, after her defense attorneys raised the issue of cannabis-induced psychosis.

Mohandie testified that he reviewed evidence in the case, including police body camera footage and recordings of Spejcher’s interviews with detectives, and met with Spejcher for more than four hours. He administered two standard psychological tests and wrote a 37-page report concluding that Spejcher’s marijuana use that night triggered a psychotic episode that led her to kill.

One of the tests Mohandie gave Spejcher is meant to measure whether someone is “malingering,” or faking their symptoms, and Mohandie said there is no evidence Specjher was faking or exaggerating"
https://news.yahoo.com/experts-testify-bryn-spejcher-lost-133018294.html

Involuntary manslaughter could mean she will spend four years in jail or prison if convicted. "A conviction is punishable by up to 4 years in jail or prison and a fine of up to $10,000.00."
https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/defense/laws/involuntary-manslaughter/
She's not getting away with something


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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28551885 - 11/21/23 05:58 PM (2 months, 5 days ago)

She's been examined by two psychologists. One of them acts as a consultant for law enforcement and was hired by the county da's office. If he had a soft on crime approach I doubt he would be able to maintain his position as consultant to law enforcement. Two professionals, the ones best suited to determine these sorts of things, have come into agreement on what had happened. You've never ever met the woman. You can't diagnose someone you've never met. I don't know what point you are trying to make about the pre existing condition. She hadn't killed anyone or tried to kill herself before. Suppose she did have some sort of condition? Sounds like it was being managed considering she hadn't killed anyone up til the point at which she smoked marijuana. It's like the COVID conspiracies. "Why blame COVID for death when these people had pre existing conditions?" Because those conditions were being managed. They contributed to the death but ultimately it was the virus they got that killed them.

I think the problem everyone is having with this is the same problem gun people have with discussions about the negative aspects of firearms. Whatnot becomes part of their identity and any negative talk makes them feel personally attacked.


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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28551933 - 11/21/23 06:41 PM (2 months, 5 days ago)

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GenesisCorrupted said:
I don’t need to have met her to know that marijuana did not cause her to go into a psychotic murder spree.




Very scientific. She also stabbed herself. People keep leaving that out

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GenesisCorrupted said:
I’m tired of these people trying to throw drugs under the bus as an excuse to kill.




Who is doing this? You mentioned the festival guy with the handgun. Anyone else?

She didn't need marijuana as an excuse to kill. How does that even make sense? You see that statistic about how rare the insanity defense is? How unsuccessful it is? She also stabbed herself. Where's the reason in what she did? What's the motive?

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GenesisCorrupted said:
Hope she gets better and stops being crazy.





Is that how it works? I mean, I know we're all fully trained psychologists and everything, but I'm asking for a friend.

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GenesisCorrupted said:
I hope she apologizes to marijuana for being scapegoated again.




Quite the pedestal. I'm starting to wonder. Do you think there's anything negative about marijuana consumption? If not, what sort of evidence would convince you?


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Dude, I’ve seen this play out way too many times to care what possible excuse you could’ve cooked up. I could not care less. In fact, what she has to say for herself. She’s a murderer.




I don't know why you think I'm cooking things up.
Where have you seen this play out? You got sources?
You've seen it so much you've been made immune to any evidence to the contrary? 

She might have said she's a murderer but common speech and legal definitions are two different things.

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Have you ever heard of reefer madness?




Yes. A propaganda film made last century doesn't prove or disprove anything.


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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28551944 - 11/21/23 06:48 PM (2 months, 5 days ago)

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GenesisCorrupted said:
Honestly, you’re getting me a little spun up here. I have seen a man bite into a pound of weed as if it was a brick of cheese.

I’m still here. That guy passed out. That’s what happens when you do too much weed. You fall asleep. You might have a little bit of a hallucination. You do not get suddenly filled with murderous rage.




Anecdotes

It wasn't murderous rage. She thought she needed to kill her boyfriend and dog to survive. She's been examined and subject to tests from a licensed psychologist who found that she wasn't lying or exaggerating.
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GenesisCorrupted said:
This propaganda piece was carefully cherry picked from millions of case reports. Of people doing far more marijuana than her.

They found the most insane person. They could possibly find that at ever use marijuana and did a violent crime afterwards.

The very fact that we’re talking about it right now. Means that they’re propaganda has you questioning how safe marijuana is.

I’m sick of it!

This story is trash.
It’s actually worse than trash, because trash used to serve a purpose. This was designed to hurt people and ruin knowledge. It is worse than trash, because it never served a good purpose.

Sorry I got a little hot.




The story got circulated because it would generate views. That you think it's part of some overarching anti marijuana campaign designed to "hurt people and ruin knowledge" seems a bit paranoid. You should think about how worked up you are about this and ask yourself if you are being rational or letting your emotions do your thinking.


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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28551977 - 11/21/23 07:11 PM (2 months, 5 days ago)

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GenesisCorrupted said:
Not you😂

She is the person I was referring to when I was referencing somebody cooking up a plan.

Like the guy who cooked up the plan to kill a bunch of people at a festival while on mushrooms.

If he hadn’t already planned that why did he bring the gun?



That's how you know it was premeditated? There are guns everywhere. Guy was ex military. Those guys carry guns when they go places. In some states just being a vet allows one to conceal carry.

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GenesisCorrupted said:
This is just more sensationalist propaganda against marijuana. I’m tired of it. I’m not going to indulge this person’s ridiculous alibi.


why do two psychologists who've examined her think otherwise?

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GenesisCorrupted said:
She didn’t want to go to jail.
She already had done the murder. She wanted to kill herself so she wouldn’t have to face her repercussions of her crimes.
More likely, she was always suicidal.




The trial is still ongoing. I don't know why you think she won't face any consequences. Manslaughter is a serious charge. You don't have any proof that she wanted to murder or that she wanted to kill herself afterward. Do you have any evidence that she was always suicidal?

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GenesisCorrupted said:
Haven’t you ever heard of the term “going out with a bang”



You aren't going to win me over with a cliche.

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GenesisCorrupted said:
I don’t blame her for being a murderous suicidal person. I’m angry at her for getting marijuana wrapped up into her mental instability.



I can see you have your priorities in order. What evidence do you have that she was a murderous suicidal person?

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GenesisCorrupted said:
Just because she got high before she went on a murderous rampage. Does it mean that she didn’t go on a murderous rampage. It has nothing to do with the drug she did before it.



She's been evaluated. How can you explain what they've determined? Don't you like and study psychology? You're unwilling to accept how it's employed the moment it doesn't align with your preconceptions?

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Marijuana isn’t a deliriant!



Are you saying people kill others in murderous rampages on deliriants?


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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28552000 - 11/21/23 07:29 PM (2 months, 5 days ago)

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GenesisCorrupted said:
You just said that this propaganda was rotated around in groups. Here you are on a drug forum. Talking about how you think she might have actually been affected by marijuana to affect her decision to kill.




Quote it please. I don't recall that.
I trust the fact that psychologists on both sides have agreed on their analysis of her.

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GenesisCorrupted said:
Stop spreading propaganda here and expecting people to actually respond well to it.



If that's how you feel why aren't you on veggies case for posting the story in the first place?

I'm just stating information from and related to the story. I've provided many links to information about the link between marijuana and psychosis.

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I despise propaganda.

Marijuana madness is a myth made by the government because they were racist against Mexicans!



I don't think anyone's says MJ madness. I think it was marijuana induced psychosis. I don't think they are the same thing.

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She got high and murdered. She then attempted to kill herself.

I don’t think it had anything to do with marijuana.
I bet they can’t prove it either.
Because there is no correlation.
Taking psychoactive drugs, when you have a pre-existing underlying psychotic condition. Is a different story…

Her psychosis led to her actions. Not the marijuana.



How did she become psychotic? When a person is fine and managing not to kill anyone for their whole life and then smokes mj, becomes psychotic and stabs others and themselves, what do you think the cause is?
It's like that COVID thing I talked of earlier. She might have had an "underlying condition" whatever that might be, but it was obviously under control seeing as how she wasn't stabbing anyone. Then she smoked and stabbed. What was the difference? Well it seems like smoking the marijuana caused her to be in such a state. Two experts have examined her and concluded this to be the case.


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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28552010 - 11/21/23 07:41 PM (2 months, 5 days ago)

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GenesisCorrupted said:
The way you keep cutting things into pieces and then referring to certain slices of my comment.
Seems to be making you lose context.




It's better this way. I haven't erased anything or put it out of order.

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GenesisCorrupted said:
The two psychologist were both both paid 1 billion billion dollars by all of the people that don’t want any psychedelics to be legal in our country.
I don’t know why I would have to tell you that. Bribery exists.



We know communism exists and also platypuses. Maybe they are behind this scheme.



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When I said she was trying to not face the repercussions. That is in the context of her, stabbing herself in the neck with a knife!
Obviously, if she’s going to court, she is going to face repercussions for her crimes.

I don’t have to prove anything. She’s the murderer. She hast to prove her innocence.
I don’t have to do that.



Nice deflection. It's nice to just be able to say anything you want since you aren't the one on trial and have no burden of proof. Why don't you start prefacing every sentence with "I feel that..." or something?

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GenesisCorrupted said:
Deliriants  remove you from the knowledge that you are hallucinating. which is why I thought that would be the only possible choice for something that would make you go into an absolutely completely detached from reality hallucination.



Based on what? Your own experience? There are more things Horatio something something

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Putting words in my mouth will not make anything that I’ve said less true. I’m not saying that people on ketamine go on murderous rampages. Because my argument has been that nobody goes on murderous rampages on drugs because of drugs. They go on murderous rampages because they wanted to.

Stay succinct.




Asking for clarification isn't putting words in your mouth. If they went on rampage because they wanted to, why wait for the drugs?


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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28552050 - 11/21/23 08:03 PM (2 months, 5 days ago)

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GenesisCorrupted said:
She probably had schizophrenia.
Veggie posted an interesting story. You’re the one debating that it might actually not be propaganda.



Suppose she did. Why'd she wait to smoke mj to go stabbing?

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GenesisCorrupted said:
Don’t you remember the story about the guy on mushrooms trying to crash a plane?



Yeah, it seemed like he was sleep deprived. If we're talking about the same story.
I don't know what it proves though.

The Bryn story I don't understand to be trying to influence anyone's opinion. Seems like a report of events without a spin.

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GenesisCorrupted said:
The two people in Amsterdam that died, and then all the mushrooms became illegal?




Not familiar with that one.

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GenesisCorrupted said:
This happens on a very predictable cycle. Before the story showed up, I actually did kind of predict. This was going to happen soon.



Oh? So you think it was staged or something?

You've claimed you've seen this so much that you are tired of it. Yet you've got like four stories related to it. some of them from another country. Where are all the other stories? It takes just four stories for you to become sick from seeing so much of it?

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Every time we get really close to psychedelic legalization.
A whole bunch of these bunk stories show up.
Trying to throw shade and doubt on all these compounds.
It’s propaganda dude. Plain & simple.



Marijuana is legal in many states and decriminalized in others. Mushrooms have been decriminalized in a few places. There are many companies invested in researching these things for treatment purposes. This story won't change that. And it isn't propaganda. It was a report of events. If anything, they seem a bit sceptical with their use of "purportedly" and putting animal lover in quotes.


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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28552114 - 11/21/23 08:39 PM (2 months, 5 days ago)

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So, what is your question?
Do you think that bribery isn’t a good excuse for why those two people might want to make drugs illegal again?



If you show me some evidence that is what took place I will consider it, absolutely

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Or are you arguing that a platypus is a better candidate?



I thought we were just guessing what went on

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I don’t need to be there to touch it.
To know what it is.



I think mysticism is more your bag

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GenesisCorrupted said:
Kind of like on the flat earth thread. I don’t need to be 50,000 feet above the earth in a chair, suspended upside down, for an hour. To know that the earth is round.



You only know this because it's been proven by experts

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I like you. But you’re not thinking logically about this. Use Occam’s Razor.




The official explanation is simpler. Why'd she wait for drugs to stab? Why'd she pretend to be an animal lover and take her dog to dog parks just to kill it later? If she was suicidal why'd she wait to smoke and kill her boyfriend and dog before killing herself? It only seems simpler if you reduce her to having like two traits and don't consider things like motive or her life previous to this incident.
She smoked and became psychotic. See how much more simple that one is?

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This is trashy propaganda. Not even good stuff.
If they had anything to back this up except from her testimony. Maybe there would be some teeth to this. Maybe this would be the big scapegoat the far right is looking for.




They do. They have the testimony of two experts. How could they prove it to you otherwise? What would satisfy you and why is it nothing?

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But this is garbage propaganda.
There is no such thing as marijuana madness.
You agreed to that.



Maybe. You should quote these things.
Marijuana madness is a colloquial term. It means wherever the speaker wants it to. Psychosis is real and defined.

"For the purposes of this article, the term psychosis refers to the presence of delusions, hallucinations without insight, or both. These symptoms are clearly defined common features of psychosis in both psychiatric disorders and neurologic conditions. They are captured by informal and structured clinical assessments and are reasonably amenable to treatment."
If you don't like that definition, there are others in the same article.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4455840/


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Marijuana psychosis. Is the exact same thing.
Psychosis is just a more marketable term than madness right now.
Once you realize that. You will realize that this is mud.




It was marijuana induced psychosis. Psychosis, a defined state or symptom, brought on by marijuana. Back when refer madness came about women probably still suffered from "hysteria". Our tools are better now, and our definitions more precise.


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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28552147 - 11/21/23 09:02 PM (2 months, 5 days ago)

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I think she wanted to get really high to go murder someone. She probably thought it might make it more fun. I don’t know. I’m not insane.



If you are going to continue to make shit up, platypuses are back on the table.

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In Amsterdam, there was a girl she claimed to be, and seem to be a completely normal individual.
While she was in the throes of a deep mushroom trip. She realized that her life was over…
Then she ended it. I think she was always depressed. People blamed the mushrooms.



And you blame the person. If the person was fine before the drug, then it was the drug that caused then to be not fine. Psychotic or otherwise. I don't know why it's so hard for you to imagine that something might affect someone in an adverse way. I am skeptical that a person wouldn't like the effects of opiates and yet these people exist.

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Same exact story. Only this kid decided to do it through a window. I think they always wanted to kill themselves. This is the time to act on these things. Your ego is gone. There’s nothing protecting you from your innermost thoughts. If deep down inside your core. You want to not exist anymore. That is what you are going to do.




This is pure conjecture

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I don’t think it was staged. I think this story was cherry picked. By people that don’t want marijuana to be federally legalized. Something that has not happened yet.
And is close to happening.




Cherry picked out of what? Who wrote these articles? I doubt the local news in thousand oaks California has an anti marijuana legalization agenda. Other papers run the story to try to get people to read it. There's always deaths and violence in the news.

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If this story is lawded as a scapegoat. It could be used to cause a huge backlash against psychedelic research. Taking them off of the table. And re-criminalizing them and all the places that they have been decriminalized.



Lawded? I don't see any high praise going on.
What you suggest isn't going to happen I don't think.
Your booger man has teeth made from could and claws of maybe. Sounds like a slippery slope.

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Seriously think about the implications of this kind of propaganda if it was taken seriously. Instead of being immediately dismissed, like I have & and like you should.



Immediately dismissing something because it doesn't align with your views is not something an intelligent person would do


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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28552153 - 11/21/23 09:06 PM (2 months, 5 days ago)

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You can have psychosis. You can have marijuana. You cannot have marijuana psychosis. Because it does not exist. It is a form of propaganda used to make people against marijuana legalization. This conversation is over.



Why can't you? And why can't you prove it with anything?

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The two professionals could easily have been bribed by all of the billionaire lobbyist that don’t want federal legalization. The fact that you don’t see that is kind of alarming to me.



Prove it. I still think it was the platypus

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Also, the fact that you’ve had to relegate to insulting me and my take. Proves that we’re done.



Why can't you ever quote anything? I have little idea to what you're referring. Many paragraphs have been written


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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake] * 1
    #28556321 - 11/25/23 05:46 PM (2 months, 1 day ago)

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I don’t need to have met her to know that marijuana did not cause her to go into a psychotic murder spree.




Very scientific. She also stabbed herself. People keep leaving that out





She is a suicidal murderer... a danger to others around her and herself.  She will bring down everyone and everything with her when she tries offing herself.  It wouldn't matter to me if she didn't stab herself or not in this case because once you're a danger to others then things change drastically.




She wasn't a danger before consuming marijuana. She wasn't trying to kill herself or others. She was an accomplished person apparently.



"Bryn P. Spejcher, August 2017

Spejcher is an audiologist at the House Children’s Hearing Center at UCLA, according to social media posts. Her specialty is Otolaryngology with UCLA Health’s Head and Neck Surgery Department.

She earned her Doctor of Audiology degree from the St. Louis’ Washington University School of Medicine, AuD, in 2017, according to her LinkedIn profile. She was an Audiology Doctoral Extern with the Loyola University Health System while studying for her degree.

Originally from Bloomingdale, Illinois, Spejcher earned her Bachelor of Arts degree in Communication Sciences and Disorders from Augustana College in 2013."

She worked with children as a doctor, apparently. Doesn't seem like the crazy murderer type to me.


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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #28556335 - 11/25/23 05:54 PM (2 months, 1 day ago)

You know what psychosis is?


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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: DonJuan7]
    #28558458 - 11/27/23 02:56 PM (1 month, 30 days ago)

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Yea.




do you think that a psychologist could identify it?

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ya, In this context its a term used to promote a global drug war, paranoia and which murderers use to escape justice.




i don't see that. it seems like a report. i don't see any sort of spin. can you point out where the drug war and paranoia promotion occurs in the story?

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The bitch is a lying murderer, probably getting off on class and gender corruuption.




how do you know she is lying? and what is class and gender corruption?

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Some people fall for anything. Look  at the lack of details in this article. Doesn't even name a fucking city where it happened. Just another bitch getting away with murder.




what details are missing?
you can't read apparently, the story says that the incident occurred inside "o'melia's condominium in Thousand Oaks."
how many "bitches" get away with murder? i don't think that you could prove some kind of pattern.


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From the same website.

https://themessenger.com/news/woman-accused-of-fatally-stabbing-father-of-her-children-also-killed-previous-boyfriend-16-years-ago?utm_source=onsite&utm_medium=related_story




from the same website:

https://themessenger.com/news/hamas-hostages-released-israel-fourth-day-ceasefire-exchange-extension

apparently they run stories about many things. how does the story i've linked tie into their women aren't accountable narrative?

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the poor womens, set them free!




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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
    #28558779 - 11/27/23 07:30 PM (1 month, 30 days ago)

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Yea.




do you think that a psychologist could identify it?




Yea.
How are the psychologists so sure it was marijuana-induced psychosis?  What's their evidence?




Probably because she became psychotic after smoking marijuana. There was body cam footage they reviewed. They found THC in her system and nothing else. "The review, which included examination of body-worn camera video from the scene, noted Spejcher was described as appearing "possessed," which is consistent with acute psychosis.

The psychologist, Kris Mohandie, noted that Spejcher's stabbing of "her own beloved dog, without any evidence of animal cruelty tendencies, is highly inconsistent with her love of dogs, and underscores her level of impairment," according to the filing.
Cannabis-induced psychotic disorder can develop shortly after a high dose and usually involves persecutory delusions, among other symptoms, the psychologist noted.

"The county wants the doctor to administer the so-called MMPI-2 Psychological Test, better known as the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory. It involves over 560 true-or-false questions and is the most widely used and researched clinical assessment tool to help diagnose mental health disorders." https://www.toacorn.com/articles/prosecution-shrink-to-conduct-pretrial-examination-of-accused-killer/
This story is from dec 22.
The op is a more recent story. The prosecution's "shrink" has examined her since then. If a psychologist is asked to testify as an expert they must have the judges approval and proper credentials.

Here's some stuff from
https://www.jurispro.com/category/psychology-s-493/CA#:~:text=A%20psychology%20expert%20witness%20should,of%20psychological%20testing%20and%20therapies.

"What is a psychology expert witness?
A psychology expert witness is a person who is qualified to give testimony about a person's mental state, psychological diagnosis, or psychological treatment, among other issues."

"What is the role of a psychology expert witness?
A psychology expert witness provides testimony on the diagnosis and treatment of mental health conditions and their impact on behavior."

"What are the qualifications of a psychology expert witness?
A psychology expert witness should be a licensed psychologist with specialized training and experience in the assessment and treatment of mental and behavioral disorders, and possess knowledge of psychological testing and therapies."

I can't find/don't have access to mohandie's report, but it was enough to cause the defence to make a motion to reduce the charges to which the judge agreed. They wouldn't do that for no reason. It isn't some ploy to demonize marijuana as has been suggested.
But I guess that the evidence you're looking for is the testimony of the expert. Consider the definitions above. These people have been determined qualified to assess these sorts of things



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Trashy story with no weight beside 2 sleezy psychiatrists and a psycho killer.





Right... Because you've been so logical about this


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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: oursoulsinmotion]
    #28562822 - 11/30/23 08:00 PM (1 month, 27 days ago)

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They probably found water in her system, too, so why aren't they blaming water on her killing the man and dog in cold blood?
What chapter of psychology school covers "possessed" people?  Are psychologists also priests now?  :lol:




She wasn't diagnosed possessed. Water? You are being obtuse.



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The psychologist, Kris Mohandie, noted that Spejcher's stabbing of "her own beloved dog, without any evidence of animal cruelty tendencies, is highly inconsistent with her love of dogs, and underscores her level of impairment," according to the filing.
Cannabis-induced psychotic disorder can develop shortly after a high dose and usually involves persecutory delusions, among other symptoms, the psychologist noted.




Some criminals and murderers have no criminal history.  Then one day they give in to the urges and reach their full form.  It's shocking because it catches people off guard...


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But I guess that the evidence you're looking for is the testimony of the expert. Consider the definitions above. These people have been determined qualified to assess these sorts of things





So ALL of the evidence for saying she was in a marijuana-induced psychosis are:

1. Her blood tested positive for THC
2. Video shows her acting "possessed"



That's it?!?!?
Am I missing evidence here, GenericHero?

Why does her own family feel this way: "O'Melia's family staunchly opposed the move, and continues to insist Spejcher be charged with murder." 

:strokebeard:




That's not her family. Omelia was her boyfriend's family. You missed stuff. She was subject to interviews and psychological testing. The results were interpreted by a licensed psychologist. Both the defense's and the prosecution's psychologists were in agreement. All those definitions I listed, the expert's testimony is admissable as evidence. If you want the nitty gritty, I've looked but can't find mohandie's report.

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I provided you with an example of women murdering and getting away with it who went on to kill again and you dismiss it. You also think the article was not lacking any information, does not promote drug war paranoia even though it talks about marijuana psychosis leading to a murder of a man and a dog.

It is physically impossible for a marijuana high "psychosis" to trigger someone to kill for no reason or to even trigger such an action by someone with mental illness.  You are attempting to cover your eyes ears and mouth to avoid admitting even basic obvious facts. You then attempt to insult me on reading comprehension and sexual frustration. Go watch refer madness in your room and stay off the internet.

You are definitely not someone worth taking seriously as you admit or concede nothing. And if you are a man you are a little illiterate girly man or homosexual who thinks they are "protecting the womens."




You provided an example of a "woman" killing. Hardly a pattern.

I'm pretty sure it was something like "woman claims..." Seems like a report to me. The article didn't conclude anything, just stated the particulars of the case.

Why is it physically impossible? What are the "basic facts"?
Your reading ability is suspect. You claimed that the story didn't tell of a location when it clearly did. You also add an s to a word that's already plural and left an e out of reefer. Reefer madness doesn't prove anything btw

Your last paragraph is pure projection

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Egotistical psychopath. She’s going to jail for a long time.
I don’t like that she had her charges reduced either.
I feel like that’s only because she’s a white woman. If I’m being quite honest.




Words mean something you know. "Psychopathy is a neuropsychiatric disorder marked by deficient emotional responses, lack of empathy, and poor behavioral controls, commonly resulting in persistent antisocial deviance and criminal behavior." Courtesy of pubmed. She says she picked her profession to help children suffering from the same sorts of things she had suffered. Seems like empathy or something.
I like that you used an "I feel" statement at the end instead of continuing to state your feelings as facts.
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She’s going to jail for a long time.



She should, but she won't. The maximum possible sentence was reduced from 25 years to four years with the reduction in charges from murder to involuntary manslaughter.




Can you expand on why you feel that way?


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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: PsillySeeEms]
    #28562847 - 11/30/23 08:08 PM (1 month, 27 days ago)

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Trashy story with no weight beside 2 sleezy psychiatrists and a psycho killer.




If the psychiatrist is some lefty socialist dog loving worker, that should be a conflict of interest IMO. All they will be able to make an assessment of is how crazy the person must be to stab their own dog, and that's probably about it.. NM that the suspect might have realized after the first few stabbings, that if they take out their dog and stab another 100+ times then they might be able to claim being the victim. If she only stabbed her dog once, but stabbed the bf 100+ times, IMO that would show that she was fully aware of the situation..



There were two psychologists. One for defence and one for prosecution. They were in agreement with one another. The prosecution's works as a consultant for law enforcement. https://www.policepsychology.org/Kris-Mohandie-PhD

How do you know which assessments will be used and to what extent they will reveal?


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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28562888 - 11/30/23 08:20 PM (1 month, 27 days ago)

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I think she’s a somewhat intelligent psychopath. That was concealing her insanity. Doesn’t mean she wasn’t insane the whole time. She’s a loan. Why are you trying so hard to defend this? Absolutely insane woman who killed her husband 108 times and then then murdered to a poor dog. That has nothing to do with marijuana at all.




You've started with a conclusion and are working backwards to support it.
She didn't kill her husband.
Two people with the expertise and qualifications to determine these things say marijuana did have something to do with it.
Why are you tryin so hard to attack this? This thread is a great example of why we need due process. *Angry mob noises*

I caught the before edit.
"I think she’s an intelligent psychopath. That was concealing her insanity. Doesn’t mean she wasn’t insane the whole time."


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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28562941 - 11/30/23 08:50 PM (1 month, 27 days ago)

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They are wrong.




Conjecture

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They were paid by lobbyist that want marijuana to be illegal.




Prove it

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That is the core of their entire propaganda campaign. Which has failed.



Who are these lobbyists?

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She is an ego maniac, who couldn’t stop bragging about herself in court.
Honestly. She might have done this, just so she could become famous.



Bragging? Where did your see/read this?

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Which means she’s a murderer, someone who scapegoats marijuana to further her own goals. And an egomaniac.



Egomaniac is a colloquial term. There isn't a condition recognized as such.

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The psychiatrist do not matter to me. They will not matter in the courtroom. They can easily be explained away by any other psychiatrist that isn’t taking dirty money.



She wasn't examined by a psychiatrist. They were psychologists. They've already "mattered" in the courtroom. Her charges were reduced.

How did two psychologists, both on the take from the anti marijuana lobby, wind up on both sides of this case. They were chosen individually, each by different people who don't have the same agenda in the courtroom. How does that happen?

"Anyone who says a thing I don't like must be taking bribes" is faulty reasoning.


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