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Re: Oregon Decriminalized Hard Drugs. It Isn’t Working. [Re: sonoramo]
    #28548045 - 11/18/23 02:57 PM (5 months, 27 days ago)

Excellent comment.
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Re: Oregon Decriminalized Hard Drugs. It Isn’t Working. [Re: sonoramo]
    #28548089 - 11/18/23 03:22 PM (5 months, 27 days ago)

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...It is done by referendum...




Almost. "Referendum" means the legislature composes a bill and puts it on the ballot for voters to decide. In some states, state Constitutional amendments have to go through that process. But Measure 110 was an "initiative," meaning ordinary citizens who wanted to see the Portugal model put in place wrote it and put it on the ballot.

Whatever you think of legislators' character, they are the "pros" with access to legal analysis, budget analysis and staff who review the text. There was money to support writing Measure 110, just not the kind of resources and debate that would have taken place before a legislative referendum got on the ballot. And way less than would have taken place had the chichen-shit legislators done their jobs and written the legislation that the people of OR obviously wanted.




You're right about all of it.
Once passed the money was not there.
Some very good programs are coming forward.
Had it of been handled differently I think we would've been prepared.
No one was prepared.
No one.
I still completely support it.
You're right they were chicken shit....
They still are.


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Re: Oregon Decriminalized Hard Drugs. It Isn’t Working. [Re: Ythan] * 1
    #28548093 - 11/18/23 03:25 PM (5 months, 27 days ago)

Nothing good comes out of woulda coulda.
Or punishing and blaming.
Definitely going to take some time.
I will not be bitter or pessimistic . I'll definitely continue to support . And I do a lot.
And I have been a victim of awful crime this last year.
I am still choosing to go forward.


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Re: Oregon Decriminalized Hard Drugs. It Isn’t Working. [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28548215 - 11/18/23 05:07 PM (5 months, 27 days ago)

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I need to go back and edit that comment. I commented on it after. It is done by referendum.
I think they just needed to actually think out what they were doing. Maybe having passed a couple before that to put in place those things I said.
It’s not too late. They should just pass another couple things through referendum to do those safe use Facilities and needle exchanges and therapy centers.




Unfortunately, I'm quite sure that if Oregon created safe-use centers, like they have in Portugal, the Federal government would step in and arrest everyone involved on Federal charges. You can't have a state dolling out heroin to people. That's literally spitting in the face of the Federal government, instead of just not enforcing their laws.


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Re: Oregon Decriminalized Hard Drugs. It Isn’t Working. [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28548254 - 11/18/23 05:44 PM (5 months, 27 days ago)

It doesn’t have to be heroin. There are synthetics now that can be used to safely get people off of this stuff. The federal government needs to seriously stop dragging his feet. I’m tired of waiting for progress. We need to pass more stuff with referendum, if they’re not going to do stuff anything for us.

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Re: Oregon Decriminalized Hard Drugs. It Isn’t Working. [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28548258 - 11/18/23 05:46 PM (5 months, 27 days ago)

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It doesn’t have to be heroin. There are synthetics now that can be used to safely get people off of this stuff. The federal government needs to seriously stop dragging his feet. I’m tired of waiting for progress. We need to pass more stuff with referendum, if they’re not going to do stuff anything for us.




Really? What synthetics?

I'm a heroin addict myself lmao


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Re: Oregon Decriminalized Hard Drugs. It Isn’t Working. [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28548261 - 11/18/23 05:50 PM (5 months, 27 days ago)



I’m sure there’s more. But this is what I was able to find. That would be able to affectively get you off of that poison. Of course it’s something that is literally only made in very specific laboratories around the world. It’s not something you’d be able to just go and get.

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Re: Oregon Decriminalized Hard Drugs. It Isn’t Working. [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28548263 - 11/18/23 05:51 PM (5 months, 27 days ago)

I’m not sure they have some thing that is comparable though. It would be best to just use the H itself.

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Re: Oregon Decriminalized Hard Drugs. It Isn’t Working. [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28548313 - 11/18/23 06:31 PM (5 months, 27 days ago)

Is the fishbowl still soggy??


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Re: Oregon Decriminalized Hard Drugs. It Isn’t Working. [Re: oursoulsinmotion]
    #28548314 - 11/18/23 06:32 PM (5 months, 27 days ago)

How are you today?

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Re: Oregon Decriminalized Hard Drugs. It Isn’t Working. [Re: Ythan]
    #28548341 - 11/18/23 06:53 PM (5 months, 27 days ago)

All over the place
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Re: Oregon Decriminalized Hard Drugs. It Isn’t Working. [Re: oursoulsinmotion]
    #28548348 - 11/18/23 06:58 PM (5 months, 27 days ago)

Firmly stuck in one place.
Sounds like we should trade.

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Re: Oregon Decriminalized Hard Drugs. It Isn’t Working. [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
    #28548387 - 11/18/23 07:35 PM (5 months, 27 days ago)

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I’m not sure they have some thing that is comparable though. It would be best to just use the H itself.




It sounds like that's something akin to suboxone. In Portugal, they actually use heroin. If they had a program like that in Oregon, I would move there tomorrow.


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Re: Oregon Decriminalized Hard Drugs. It Isn’t Working. [Re: Ythan] * 1
    #28548438 - 11/18/23 08:09 PM (5 months, 27 days ago)

The overdose rate was so high they handed out suboxone. I believe that could be what he may he referencing. That was not in Oregon though.
Where I live we're starting what they call mobile crisis units. Literally going to them for all harm reduction supplies including suboxone.
Methadone needs to be more accessible but it poses a greater overdose risk.
Subuclade is successful. Not as popular. Methadone is great for fentanyl.
Agree they're not giving away dark or pills. They never will.

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/new-jersey-county-uses-innovative-program-to-treat-and-prevent-drug-overdoses/


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Re: Oregon Decriminalized Hard Drugs. It Isn’t Working. [Re: loladoreen] * 1
    #28548636 - 11/18/23 11:49 PM (5 months, 27 days ago)

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The overdose rate was so high they handed out suboxone. I believe that could be what he may he referencing. That was not in Oregon though.
Where I live we're starting what they call mobile crisis units. Literally going to them for all harm reduction supplies including suboxone.
Methadone needs to be more accessible but it poses a greater overdose risk.
Subuclade is successful. Not as popular. Methadone is great for fentanyl.
Agree they're not giving away dark or pills. They never will.

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/new-jersey-county-uses-innovative-program-to-treat-and-prevent-drug-overdoses/




We got a spot where you can go get a whole box of needles, a crack pipe, and a meth pipe, plus cottons, a cooker, chore... Everything you can imagine and then some shit you wouldn't even think of..

I'm on Sublocade rn... I fuckin hate it. I don't like getting the shot, it hurts like a bitch for a few days... It's a fairly effective deterrent, though. If I want to get high, I have to spend a lot more money on dope, and my habit already wasn't affordable.

I've had a lot of addictions in my life. Opiates are just a whole different problem than anything else. It's the one thing... Man.. it's a motherfucker..

The thing with opiates too, is you're constantly playing with potentially dying... And I think the whole thing of sticking a needle in your arm, and shooting up a potential lethal dose on a regular basis... Makes a person consider suicide a lot more than normal people. Especially because the life of a junky is not for the faint of heart.

When you know you can just bump the dosage up a little bit, and slip away into the night... Never have to beg, borrow, or steal again... Never have to approach getting your life on any sort of meaningful track, only to fall off again. Never have to face all of those people you can't face anymore. I think a lot of overdoses are intentional.


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Re: Oregon Decriminalized Hard Drugs. It Isn’t Working. [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28548638 - 11/18/23 11:54 PM (5 months, 27 days ago)

I’ve seen what that can do to people.
It’s really hard.
Ayahuasca and Ibogaine could be natural treatment options.
They actually reset part of your brain that is causing the addiction. Research has been limited, of course. Because it isn’t a pill.
But I have noticed since using Ayahusca, that I have very little desire to use marijuana. Where there used to be a very strong desire to use it.
I’m sure it’s nothing compared to the addiction you have. But it could still be applied.
Something to think about.
I like you.
Makes me sad to know that you’re suffering like that.

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Re: Oregon Decriminalized Hard Drugs. It Isn’t Working. [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28549209 - 11/19/23 02:04 PM (5 months, 26 days ago)

I've been doing a lot better this past couple months, so.. My girlfriend gets out of prison in like 10 days, so I can't be around her if I'm still using dope.

I have some MHRB to do a DMT extraction from, for me and another guy I met on the shroomery. I just haven't gotten the naphtha to do it yet, and I need to! A few other guys on here told me I should go to an ibogaine treatment place in Mexico or something. Idk... That shit scares the fuck out of me lol!


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Re: Oregon Decriminalized Hard Drugs. It Isn’t Working. [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28549214 - 11/19/23 02:11 PM (5 months, 26 days ago)

The Ayahusca feels like the only thing I can speak confidently on. Boga sounds very cool. I watched a vice video on in a while ago.
I would be very skeptical of going to any ceremonies. But it doesn’t sound like something that would be too bad to play with.

If you can’t get the Nympha . You could probably get the Syrian rue seeds.
This is my recipe for using those two ingredients together.
Very consistent results. Just don’t re-dose.
If you go into these trips with the intention of improving yourself. And destroying your addiction. I do believe that you would be able to conquer it.

It’s not getting off of it though. It’s the relapse that you need to look out for.

Try to eliminate anything in your environment that reminds you of it. Or makes you think about using.

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Re: Oregon Decriminalized Hard Drugs. It Isn’t Working. [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 2
    #28549222 - 11/19/23 02:17 PM (5 months, 26 days ago)

I don't understand fentanyl addiction, or why so many people are okay with living on the streets and doing shitty drugs.

My enjoyment of drugs is one of the many things that motivates me to be a relatively normal person who has a job and housing. I understand many of these people are mentally ill, but frankly, I prefer to get high in the safety and comfort of my home than I do out in public. Whether it's just weed or harder stuff, I just don't get the appeal of doing drugs in public.

Seems to me a reasonable solution would be drugs are decriminalized/legalized for use in the home, but illegal to use in public. In most places in the USA, you can't sit on a public bench and get drunk all day, why do they let people smoke fentanyl or meth in public?


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Re: Oregon Decriminalized Hard Drugs. It Isn’t Working. [Re: halo] * 1
    #28549228 - 11/19/23 02:23 PM (5 months, 26 days ago)

I don’t think they let them. I don’t think they have the ability to help them.
It’s almost to the point now. Where there is so much crime happening. That policeman only respond to the highest demand crimes.

Those people need rehab. They don’t want to be using drugs on the street. It’s not like they had a choice.
Most of those people became addicted. Then lost their homes. That’s why they’re still out there using those drugs. Those drugs are so addictive, they destroyed their entire lives.

I don’t think you meant for your comment to come off as callous. But I bet all of those people out there using drugs would rather be in homes.

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