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[CA] Newsom vetoes bill to decriminalize psychedelic mushrooms
#28495524 - 10/07/23 02:11 PM (3 months, 19 days ago) |
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Newsom vetoes bill to decriminalize psychedelic mushrooms October 7, 2023 - San Francisco Chronicle
Gov. Gavin Newsom vetoed a bill Friday that would have decriminalized psilocybin, aka magic mushrooms — but left the door open for California to reconsider it next year.
Newsom, in his veto message, said the measure proposed by San Francisco state Sen. Scott Wiener, D-San Francisco, would have decriminalized possession before therapeutic protections are in place.
“California should immediately begin work to set up regulated treatment guidelines — replete with dosing information, therapeutic guidelines, rules to prevent against exploitation during guided treatments, and medical clearance of no underlying psychoses,” he said.
Wiener’s bill would have decriminalized possession of psilocybin for personal use. That means it would still be illegal to sell it. It also would have orderedthe California Health and Human Services Agency to create a work group to “study and make recommendations” on how psychedelics could be used for therapeutic use and present its findings to the Legislature by the end of 2024.
Wiener called Newsom’s veto “a setback for the huge number of Californians — including combat veterans and first responders — who are safely using and benefiting from these non-addictive substances and who will now continue to be classified as criminals under California law.”
Wiener said the “evidence is beyond dispute that criminalizing access to these substances only serves to make people less safe and reduce access to help. Today’s veto is a huge missed opportunity for California to follow the science and lead.”
The San Francisco Democrat said Friday that Newsom’s veto “is not the end of our fight.”
Wiener said that given Newsom’s commitment to work with the Legislature on crafting psychedelic legislation “with a therapeutic focus, and openness to future decriminalization legislation,” he looks forward to “introducing therapeutic-focused legislation next year.”
Wiener’s SB58 passed the Legislature in September with support from some of the state’s most conservative Republicans. Colorado and Oregon have decriminalized psilocybin and other psychedelics, as have cities including Oakland and Santa Cruz.
While Newsom didn’t greenlight decriminalizing psychedelics, leaders elsewhere have seen the value that psychedelics may have in treating anxiety, depression, post-traumatic stress, substance abuse and other mental health issues.
The Federal Drug Administration has designated psilocybin as a “breakthrough therapy” for treatment-resistant depression, a sign that even the federal government recognizes its potential therapeutic value. In June, the agency issued its first guidelines to researchers interested in exploring how they could be used for medical treatments.
The political risk for exploring psychedelics seems to be slim, at least in California. An August survey by the FM3 firm found that 60% of likely 2024 California voters surveyed support the provisions in Wiener’s bill. The survey also found that 63% of the respondents said that supporting this bill would have a positive impact or no impact on their opinion of a state legislator.
Wiener’s legislation would not have approached legalization. Nor does it even go as far as the 2022 voter-approved law in Colorado, which, in addition to legalizing the compounds found in psilocybin for therapeutic use, enabled the creation of “healing centers” where adults could use the plant under the watch of licensed professionals.
But Newsom did not embrace it. The governor is not alone in his reticence. While the Democrat-dominated Assembly approved the measure 43-15, 22 legislators, including several Democrats, did not take a position.
Some believe that Newsom’s stance may have less to do with policy than with the optics of blessing another drug during the nation’s continuing war against fentanyl.
Last month, who served Keith Humphreys, a professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences at Stanford Universityon Newsom’s Blue Ribbon Commission on Marijuana Policy, told the Chronicle that said it wouldn’t be hard to imagine how conservative media would spin Newsom’s support, given its insatiable appetite for San Francisco doom loop stories.
“The story you would hear is, ‘Look at California cities. They’re out of control with drugs and what are they doing? They’re just making drugs easier to get,’ ” said Humphreys, who was a senior policy analyst at the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy during the Obama administration.
Wiener’s measure would have taken small, preliminary steps, but even those have been politically challenging in a state that has been a psychedelic hub since the heyday of Jefferson Airplane.
Part of the reason is that, unlike cannabis legalization, there isn’t a decades-long history of tens of thousands of people who have been harmed by mushroom prosecutions. Newsom touted cannabis legalization as a way to address the social and economic impact of the failed decades-long war on drugs. Black people were nearly four times as likely to be arrested on marijuana charges than white people, even though they used the drug at roughly the same rate, according to a 2018 study from the ACLU.
But the number of people who have used — let alone been punished for — psychedelics is far smaller than those who have tried or been busted for weed. As a June report from the nonpartisan California Legislative Analyst’s Office said, “the number of people in state prison and county jail for such offenses is very minor relative to the overall prison and jail population.”
Nor would the bill have created a commercial market for psychedelics, like the 2016 cannabis legalization law did. Nor is there the promise of millions of dollars in tax revenue that a legal market might bring.
Newsom, in his statement, said he committed to working with lawmakers “to craft legislation that would authorize permissible uses and consider a framework for potential broader decriminalization in the future, once the impacts, dosing, best practice, and safety guardrails are thoroughly contemplated and put in place.”
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Re: [CA] Newsom vetoes bill to decriminalize psychedelic mushrooms [Re: veggie]
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Re: [CA] Newsom vetoes bill to decriminalize psychedelic mushrooms [Re: sonoramo] 1
#28495947 - 10/07/23 09:53 PM (3 months, 19 days ago) |
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Let's get this slimebag out of office. He's not doing anyone any good. He obviously did this movie for his 'political clout', trying to appeal to moderates while abandoning anyone who could be his core base. The only way a politician such as this might learn, shameless as he is, is when he loses the next election.
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Re: [CA] Newsom vetoes bill to decriminalize psychedelic mushrooms [Re: CreonAntigone] 2
#28495985 - 10/07/23 10:13 PM (3 months, 19 days ago) |
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"The story you would hear is, ‘Look at California cities. They’re out of control with drugs and what are they doing? They’re just making drugs easier to get,"
Society is rapidly losing its will to legalize all drugs because hard drug users are making a very public menace of themselves. I hate junkies, we are not the same and its disgusting to see hard drugs decriminalized while psychedelics remain the last front in the drug war.
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Re: [CA] Newsom vetoes bill to decriminalize psychedelic mushrooms [Re: CreonAntigone] 4
#28495986 - 10/07/23 10:13 PM (3 months, 19 days ago) |
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The veto was kind of expected, but still very disappointing.
I wonder what would happen if Californians choose to behave as if the bill had passed. Continue to grow, possess, and use natural psychedelics. Use them for safe recreation, religious and spiritial purposes, and to provide help with people suffering depression and anxiety, and to help people hopelessly addicted to meth and opiates get their lives back.
Some people think that allowing people to grow and use safe and effective 'magic' mushrooms would be a bad look. It is much worse of a look to harrass, arrest, and jail people commiting victimless crimes while allowing so much violent crime, robberies, rapes, and murders to take place.
Cities across the state will slowly continue to decriminalize psychedelics, and the civil disobedience of hundreds of thousands will continue to grow and freely distribute. Yes, do that Californians.
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Re: [CA] Newsom vetoes bill to decriminalize psychedelic mushrooms [Re: veggie]
#28496045 - 10/07/23 11:52 PM (3 months, 19 days ago) |
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What a fuck wad.
I remember when liberals were cool. About 40 years ago.
Guess he doesn't want to give up on the kickbacks from the prison system, or at least the political power he gets from being in the slimy bed with that lobby.
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Re: [CA] Newsom vetoes bill to decriminalize psychedelic mushrooms [Re: nektar61]
#28496245 - 10/08/23 08:22 AM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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D@mn. Very sorry to see this. I was hoping he would ignore it and it would just become law. All that being said, Don't give up on Gavin!
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Re: [CA] Newsom vetoes bill to decriminalize psychedelic mushrooms [Re: veggie]
#28496342 - 10/08/23 09:51 AM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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veggie said: The veto was kind of expected, but still very disappointing.
I wonder what would happen if Californians choose to behave as if the bill had passed. Continue to grow, possess, and use natural psychedelics. Use them for safe recreation, religious and spiritial purposes, and to provide help with people suffering depression and anxiety, and to help people hopelessly addicted to meth and opiates get their lives back.
Some people think that allowing people to grow and use safe and effective 'magic' mushrooms would be a bad look. It is much worse of a look to harrass, arrest, and jail people commiting victimless crimes while allowing so much violent crime, robberies, rapes, and murders to take place.
Cities across the state will slowly continue to decriminalize psychedelics, and the civil disobedience of hundreds of thousands will continue to grow and freely distribute. Yes, do that Californians.
Well said!
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Re: [CA] Newsom vetoes bill to decriminalize psychedelic mushrooms [Re: solarshroomster] 1
#28496628 - 10/08/23 02:36 PM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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Fuck our political system. I bet Newsom has eyes on a federal government job so now his decisions will reflect that. Didn’t he just sign a bill to allow pharmaceutical companies to legally produce psilocybin products once the feds reschedule it?? Yet decriminalizing it state wide is too controversial… Yes let’s allow big business to profit but not protect individuals…
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Re: [CA] Newsom vetoes bill to decriminalize psychedelic mushrooms [Re: veggie] 1
#28496639 - 10/08/23 02:50 PM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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veggie said: The veto was kind of expected, but still very disappointing.
I wonder what would happen if Californians choose to behave as if the bill had passed. Continue to grow, possess, and use natural psychedelics. Use them for safe recreation, religious and spiritial purposes, and to provide help with people suffering depression and anxiety, and to help people hopelessly addicted to meth and opiates get their lives back.
You don't need to wonder. We, the people of California, are on it!
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Some people think that allowing people to grow and use safe and effective 'magic' mushrooms would be a bad look. It is much worse of a look to harrass, arrest, and jail people commiting victimless crimes while allowing so much violent crime, robberies, rapes, and murders to take place.
To the best of my knowledge, the only people getting arrested in CA are the ones actually engaging in some kind of commerce or causing some kind of disturbance that gets the police involved.
Decrim really needs to think about what a society with legalized medicines could look like. Who will produce them and how will they be distributed? Will there be some kind of quality and safety testing? Will retreat centers like Esalen advertise "enhanced" events? What about places of worship --- can they do mushroom ceremonies? Who's gonna run programs for addicts, because it doesn't fit into a traditional 12-step group. Whatever it is, that look had better not scare the non- people into thinking that they will encounter zombies wandering their neighborhoods, or they will cling to prohibition.
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Cities across the state will slowly continue to decriminalize psychedelics, and the civil disobedience of hundreds of thousands will continue to grow and freely distribute. Yes, do that Californians.
Like I said, we're on it.
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Re: [CA] Newsom vetoes bill to decriminalize psychedelic mushrooms [Re: viraldrome]
#28496645 - 10/08/23 02:57 PM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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viraldrome said: The story you would hear is, "Look at California cities. They’re out of control with drugs and what are they doing? They’re just making drugs easier to get," ...
Not just the story "you would hear." It's exactly the story the prohibitionists yell about all the time already.
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Re: [CA] Newsom vetoes bill to decriminalize psychedelic mushrooms [Re: CreonAntigone] 1
#28538331 - 11/11/23 08:54 AM (2 months, 15 days ago) |
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that fool is such a scumbag, you'd figure ca with their liberal laws would be the first to decriminalize. i mean even states like alabama have a higher level of legality, thats insane
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