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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: Rahz]
    #28529390 - 11/04/23 05:59 PM (2 months, 22 days ago)

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I like the Buddha quote. He also spoke about reincarnation. If a person can't die while they're still alive, what is the point of dying? The whole transmigration thing is contrived fantasy IMO but reality can sometimes seem quite magical. I only bring it up that way in response to your words. Lately I prefer to speak of noticing things are being held and the potential of letting go, opening one's hand and letting gravity do the rest.




I'm a bit despondent, to say the least. I'm 43 years old so I've seen quite a bit of what they call life. Shellshocked with mild ptsd at this point.  I studied quite a bit of eastern philosophy, buddism, taoism, etc. I know what you mean about dying before you die, however, it doesn't pay the bills. U.G. Krishnamurti made a comment that resonated with me, and it goes something like, "the guru business is like a government / welfare system." Best for all would be to find some meaningful employment that pays the bills and gives one something to look forward to after work. What I hated about working at the call centre for the phone company is that there are some lousy co workers who ask ridiculous questions like, "are you dating?", crap like that. And it's crap because why would anyone work a full time job were it not for an intimate relationship, I mean isn't that why anyone works?  I don't believe there is anyone who works and doesn't need something that resembles marriage, dating, whatever you call it. Then there were those co workers who get tangled in intimate relationships with each other in the workplace at the expense of their previous partners, it was embarrassing. It's really simple. Work/employment is for paying the bills so you can have some kind of intimate relatioship outside of work. When boundaries get blurry or dissolve, then psychiatry steps in, and soon the police are involved, then it's forced medication, hostiplization, etc. I believe, psychologically, I've been murdered by the system. Cigarettes are just a way to help pass the time, because my time is pretty much up.


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C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know."

"I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung

Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti

"All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]


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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: Rahz]
    #28529398 - 11/04/23 06:05 PM (2 months, 22 days ago)

"This mood of yours is good; the calm mood is the best.  The Confusion of Marriage? It is being played now." pg. 682-83, Go Ramakrishna

"We are using the neurons, our identity, to constantly maintain our identity. whether you are awake, asleep, or dreaming, this process is carried on. But, it is wearing you out.  That is why I say the tragedy that is facing mankind is not AIDS or cancer, but Alzheimer's disease." - U.G.



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C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know."

"I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung

Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti

"All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]


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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: Cory Duchesne] * 1
    #28529636 - 11/04/23 09:00 PM (2 months, 22 days ago)

The only way to have it all is to want little.


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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: Rahz]
    #28529654 - 11/04/23 09:13 PM (2 months, 22 days ago)

in a sense we are born with it all, and are just continually losing it.


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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: Rahz]
    #28531471 - 11/06/23 08:46 AM (2 months, 21 days ago)

Transcending Death
News of someone's death was brought to Sri Bhagavan. He said "Good". The dead are indeed happy. They have got rid of the troublesome overgrowth- the body. The dead man does not grieve. The survivors grieve for the man who is dead. Do men fear sleep? On the contrary sleep is courted and on waking up every man says that he slept happily. One prepares the bed for sound sleep. Sleep is temporary death. Death is longer sleep. If the man dies while yet alive he need not grieve over other's death. One's existence is evident with or without the body, as in waking, dream and sleep. Then why should one desire continuance of the bodily shackles? Let the man find out his undying self and die and be immortal and happy.- Ramana Maharshi (Talks 64)


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C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know."

"I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung

Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti

"All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]


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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: Cory Duchesne]
    #28531579 - 11/06/23 10:42 AM (2 months, 21 days ago)

the clergy, and in India, Sri Bhagavan is definitely clergy, only partly admit they are charlattans, the populace need guidance (maybe) and who is better able to guide than the clergy?

I think they are as ignorant as the populace.

very few have gone so far as to claim that they have returned from the dead or really know what being dead is all about. and it likely is about nothing in most cases.

those who have claimed to know, are making up stories, or repeating the storis they are convinced they have to repeat as part of the clergy.

a few minutes after the heart stops and the brain flatlines, revival is not possible.

you might say that after the heart stops and the brain flat lines, that the soul has left, but realistically, the body is no longer capable of consciousness.

if there were a separate soul from the brain, it cannot make its way back.
but is there really something separate like a soul? Again, nobody has proven it.

Some equate soul with conscience, for me conscience is about having a good grasp on morality - on knowing right from wrong, and in doing the right thing.

Compassion and the middle way make a lot of sense.


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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: Cory Duchesne]
    #28531839 - 11/06/23 02:24 PM (2 months, 20 days ago)

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Cory Duchesne said:
Transcending Death
News of someone's death was brought to Sri Bhagavan. He said "Good". The dead are indeed happy. They have got rid of the troublesome overgrowth- the body. The dead man does not grieve. The survivors grieve for the man who is dead. Do men fear sleep? On the contrary sleep is courted and on waking up every man says that he slept happily. One prepares the bed for sound sleep. Sleep is temporary death. Death is longer sleep. If the man dies while yet alive he need not grieve over other's death. One's existence is evident with or without the body, as in waking, dream and sleep. Then why should one desire continuance of the bodily shackles? Let the man find out his undying self and die and be immortal and happy.- Ramana Maharshi (Talks 64)




Not sure I agree with all that but the important bit is the distinction between physical death and what is actually wanted. The body is a growth not an overgrowth. Unhelpful mental content can be seen as overgrowth. Exceptions aside, a desire for death is a desire for change in how the brain works rather that the complete cessation of function.

It's an important distinction because if suicide is conjured the solution is not being seen. Dying a physical death does not produce happiness but rather an end of the potential for it, though in some cases the survivors may experience some measure of relief or elation :smile:

Also FWIW, smoking doesn't cause time to pass. Seems like an excuse for addiction to me. I also suspect smoking plays a roll in maintaining a depressive state. Doing what one can, maintaining some level of curiosity, wanting to maintain some level of vigor while the body remains may not be everything but it can move a person's mind toward a place where further solutions seem possible. Eating well, exercising daily, getting plenty of sleep are things a person can do. While cessation of nicotine may be a harsh reality much of the toxicity of smoking tobacco can be avoided by switching to a different delivery method.

All that being said, I don't believe in free will so results vary. I just don't make assumptions about what those results may be.


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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: Rahz]
    #28531966 - 11/06/23 04:50 PM (2 months, 20 days ago)

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All that being said, I don't believe in free will so results vary. I just don't make assumptions about what those results may be.




Freedom, Plans and Opportunities (part 1, on addiction, tobacco, etc.)



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C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know."

"I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung

Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti

"All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]


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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: Cory Duchesne]
    #28531970 - 11/06/23 04:54 PM (2 months, 20 days ago)

I think it's fair to ask for a synopsis.


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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: Rahz]
    #28531992 - 11/06/23 05:10 PM (2 months, 20 days ago)

References:
Permaculture
Tobacco
Alovara
Cannabis
Agricultural design
Incineration
Deer Harvesting
Nintendo
Noam Chomsky
Metroid Zero Mission
Metroid Dread
End of Science: John Horgan
Nova Scotia
Masanobu Fukuoka

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C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know."

"I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung

Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti

"All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]


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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: Cory Duchesne]
    #28532238 - 11/06/23 07:51 PM (2 months, 20 days ago)

love nova scotia


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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: Rahz]
    #28535656 - 11/09/23 12:34 PM (2 months, 18 days ago)

“Long before I was twenty, I was smoking excessively — fifteen or twenty big black cigars every day. My health was threatened, and my family often tried to get me to promise to stop, but I would not.
“One day I was standing in front of our house, when they told me the doctor had just said that my youngest sister, who had been very ill for some time, was dying. I went up to her room, carrying my lighted cigar, and before kneeling at her bedside I placed the cigar on a little table beside the bed.
“Niko,” she said, so faintly that I could hardly hear her, “you are killing yourself with smoking. Promise me you will give it up.”
“Yes,” I said; “if you will get well, I promise to give up smoking.”
“All right, Niko,” she said feebly. “I will try.”

“She did get well, and I have never smoked since. It was very hard to give it up, but I was determined to keep my promise. Not only did I stop, but I finally destroyed every inclination for what had been such a great satisfaction. In this way I have freed myself of other habits and passions, and so have preserved my health and my zest for life. The satisfaction derived from demonstrating my own strength of will has always meant more to me in the end than the pleasurable habits I gave up. I believe that a man can and should stop any habit he recognizes to be “foolish.”
–Nikola Tesla


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C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know."

"I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung

Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti

"All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]


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