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Psilocybe caeruleorhiza??? 3
#28534444 - 11/08/23 03:21 PM (2 months, 18 days ago) |
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Hey guys, I originally learned about this mushroom in one of Alan R's YouTube videos but have since been unable to find ANYTHING about it. I live just an hour away from where it was found in Ohio and would love to know more about the habitat including trees, plants, and sources of water near the original location. My goal is to find this mushroom in a nearby state where Psilocybes have yet to be documented.
Any tips on where I can find more information about this mushroom??? Thanks!!!
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Re: Psilocybe caeruleorhiza??? [Re: Pentacorn]
#28534509 - 11/08/23 04:27 PM (2 months, 18 days ago) |
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Here are 5 finds on iNaturalist:
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations?verifiable=any&place_id=any&field:Provisional%20Species%20Name=Psilocybe%20caeruleorhiza
There is also a Facebook group for this species: Psilocybe caeruleorhiza research group
They are having a good year this year, someone in Michigan recently found a patch with thousands.
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Thank you Alan!! Based on all the photos on iNat I see mostly hardwood trees (ash, elm? buckthorn?), gill-over-the-ground, lots of wood mulch in every photo, and fall leaves covering the ground. I have many local hunting locations that fit this description! Thank you!
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Re: Psilocybe caeruleorhiza??? [Re: Pentacorn]
#28534772 - 11/08/23 07:43 PM (2 months, 18 days ago) |
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They grow on wood chips so the nearby trees wouldn't matter.
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Re: Psilocybe caeruleorhiza??? [Re: Pentacorn]
#28535040 - 11/09/23 02:44 AM (2 months, 18 days ago) |
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nice, this one is new to me!
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Alan Rockefeller said: They grow on wood chips so the nearby trees wouldn't matter.
So I'm just as likely to find them in a forest of conifers as I am in a hardwood forest? Or do you mean that people are finding them in urban woodchip areas so finding them in a wild forest is unlikely?
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Re: Psilocybe caeruleorhiza??? [Re: Pentacorn]
#28535147 - 11/09/23 06:28 AM (2 months, 18 days ago) |
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Alan Rockefeller said: They grow on wood chips so the nearby trees wouldn't matter.
So I'm just as likely to find them in a forest of conifers as I am in a hardwood forest? Or do you mean that people are finding them in urban woodchip areas so finding them in a wild forest is unlikely?
I would assume there is a greater chance of finding them in urban areas where chips are used as landscaping. Although I frequently see piles of wood chips in woodland areas where there has been lumbering done.
I guess the interesting thing here is where these originated, and how long they've been around. I see some finds initially were thought to be P. ovoideocystidiata. Perhaps there have been several misidentified collections of these.
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Re: Psilocybe caeruleorhiza??? [Re: Anglerfish]
#28535197 - 11/09/23 07:29 AM (2 months, 18 days ago) |
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If a print ever becomes available I would be absolutely thrilled to culture it.
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Re: Psilocybe caeruleorhiza??? [Re: Land Trout]
#28535682 - 11/09/23 12:53 PM (2 months, 18 days ago) |
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Land Trout said: If a print ever becomes available I would be absolutely thrilled to culture it.
I would love to spread these to the PNW aswell been thinking about making a trip in a year or two to find some to culture also want to go find the newly described snowmelt psilocybe from Stanislaus forest and bring them up to the Mt hood area
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Re: Psilocybe caeruleorhiza??? [Re: Natedogg97]
#28535712 - 11/09/23 01:17 PM (2 months, 18 days ago) |
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All the pics I’ve seen of these mushrooms (granted not a lot of photos), they seemed to be growing in hardwood mulch, and landscaped areas.
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Re: Psilocybe caeruleorhiza??? [Re: Anglerfish] 1
#28535765 - 11/09/23 01:56 PM (2 months, 18 days ago) |
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Anglerfish said:
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Pentacorn said:
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Alan Rockefeller said: They grow on wood chips so the nearby trees wouldn't matter.
So I'm just as likely to find them in a forest of conifers as I am in a hardwood forest? Or do you mean that people are finding them in urban woodchip areas so finding them in a wild forest is unlikely?
I would assume there is a greater chance of finding them in urban areas where chips are used as landscaping. Although I frequently see piles of wood chips in woodland areas where there has been lumbering done.
I guess the interesting thing here is where these originated, and how long they've been around. I see some finds initially were thought to be P. ovoideocystidiata. Perhaps there have been several misidentified collections of these.
I'm guessing (take with a grain of salt) that these piles of wood chips in wooded areas may serve as the contact zone for rare species to colonize a nutrient-rich substrate, and then be brought into urban areas where constant watering etc. acclimates them to the environment and gets them into the landscaping distribution network, and then certain species and/orsubspecies or phenotypes are able to very rapidly expand in this way
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Re: Psilocybe caeruleorhiza??? [Re: Moria841]
#28539278 - 11/11/23 07:51 PM (2 months, 15 days ago) |
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You sure these are not ovoids, I’ve been picking these and eating them for awhile can’t tell the difference, lol definitely found them in the same city parks as ovoids…
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Re: Psilocybe caeruleorhiza??? [Re: Shroomhunts] 1
#28539700 - 11/12/23 04:24 AM (2 months, 15 days ago) |
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Alan did DNA sequencing on them they're in sect aztecorum so they're 10,000% not ovoids. They fruit in the fall ovoids are more spring loving not saying they don't fruit In fall too just that all caeruleorhiza finds have been around November/Dec and they're spores are a bit different in color and they're in completely different sections so there's definitely no denying they are completely different species. Check out the thread he posted about it when he did the sequencing on them the agar plates are so beautiful. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27759087/fpart/all
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Re: Psilocybe caeruleorhiza??? [Re: Natedogg97]
#28539861 - 11/12/23 08:07 AM (2 months, 15 days ago) |
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Idk about you guys on the east coast, but at least for me, shit starts to freeze november-december...
I don't think I'll be finding this species any time soon
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Re: Psilocybe caeruleorhiza??? [Re: Moria841]
#28540722 - 11/12/23 06:05 PM (2 months, 14 days ago) |
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I’ve found ovoids growing through the ice

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Re: Psilocybe caeruleorhiza??? [Re: Shroomhunts]
#28540728 - 11/12/23 06:11 PM (2 months, 14 days ago) |
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No knocking the DNA thing just maybe this is a species close enough to cross with ovoids, I’ve found voids with many different colors of spores they can get the rust spore and albino mutation just like cubes. I think there needs to be more finds and research into this specific species for a better answer with the couple finds being spaced out so far and no finds in any natural habitat it’s difficult to put it into it’s own category. Landscape beds are not a natural habitat, if these have been here they likely growing in a niche part of the forest or floodplain somewhere and until someone finds that can’t say for sure exactly what we are looking at.
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Re: Psilocybe caeruleorhiza??? [Re: Shroomhunts]
#28540736 - 11/12/23 06:18 PM (2 months, 14 days ago) |
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They're a ways apart as far as crossing the two together is concerned I would think seeing as they're completely different sections of psilocybe ovoids are more related to cubensis than cyan clad if I remember correctly
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Re: Psilocybe caeruleorhiza??? [Re: Natedogg97]
#28540739 - 11/12/23 06:26 PM (2 months, 14 days ago) |
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I’m gonna get them both side by side and comparisons under the scope and we will see.
If they are a distinct species the real question is where is the natural habitat they come from.
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Re: Psilocybe caeruleorhiza??? [Re: Shroomhunts] 1
#28540806 - 11/12/23 07:34 PM (2 months, 14 days ago) |
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I’m gonna get them both side by side and comparisons under the scope and we will see.
If they are a distinct species the real question is where is the natural habitat they come from.
To be fair, didn't the exact same thing happen when ovoids were first described? People were collecting them calling them P. caerulipes until genetic research showed they were a distinct and not even very closely related Psilocybe species not that long ago? So... where did ovoids come from?
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