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Re: Permanent tolerance due to DMT usage [Re: Bardy]
#28535412 - 11/09/23 10:15 AM (2 months, 17 days ago) |
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And, how exactly do you know that there isn't much Naptha/Lye in the final product? How do you know that?
Did you preform a chemical composition analysis? or are you just assuming based upon a web extraction guide you read?
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Re: Permanent tolerance due to DMT usage [Re: WaterGnome20] 2
#28535502 - 11/09/23 11:09 AM (2 months, 17 days ago) |
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Lye/water are insoluble in naptha to such an extent that you can see if a single drop gets carried over. And since the drop of bark water is both insoluble and visually apparent in the clear solvent, it’s very easy to remove.
It’s pretty standard practice to evaporate solvents on glass to inspect how cleanly they evaporate - Good solvents for this purpose will leave zero visible residue. Freeze precipitation will drastically minimize solvent waste while also reducing the amount of solvent that could theoretically leave behind a residue to virtually zero.
As with anything, good materials combined with good practices will yield the desired result. If you don’t know/trust your source, know that it’s pretty easy to clean most drugs with a bit of homework.
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Re: Permanent tolerance due to DMT usage [Re: Nonagon] 1
#28535722 - 11/09/23 01:22 PM (2 months, 17 days ago) |
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Re: Permanent tolerance due to DMT usage [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#28537104 - 11/10/23 12:28 PM (2 months, 16 days ago) |
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Yeah he said salvia still works. Hasn't tried mescaline.
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Re: Permanent tolerance due to DMT usage [Re: Plok] 3
#28558021 - 11/27/23 06:57 AM (2 months, 1 hour ago) |
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Hey y'all
I'm actually the friend Plok is referring to. (I also forgot I had an account! It looks like I first joined in 2011!)
First, thank you hive-mind! I've been Googling around for a while about this and hadn't found anything, it hadn't occured to me to post onto a forum. Thanks Plok!
Some clarification... I can trip with LSD, it's just VERY muted. My LSD tolerance is almost an inside joke amongst some of my friends. Even when I take 3 or 4 hits, the most visuals I get is a light "breathing" on surfaces. I do get the giggles, and the increased energy (and sometimes anxiety), but the more "trippier" effects like kaleidoscopic patterns, ego loss, and synesthesia are definitely not happening. I really miss tripping like I used to...
SWIM extracted a large amount of DMT around 2008 and tripping has never been the same since. It must have been maybe 6 months where I was experimenting it quite frequently, but then stopped because of diminished effects and a few scary experiences (it seriously felt like a scary admonishments from some being on the other side.)
I don't do shrooms very often, so I really didn't notice how muted it was until now. I ate a full eighth and seriously, I felt almost nothing. A little energy, initially. Maybe the colors brighter? Some mushroom yawns. And then that's it. It was seriously disappointing, because I've had some amazing experiences in the past.
So to summarize... - LSD works, but muted. - Ketamine definitely still works, which makes sense given the receptors involved. - Nitrous still works. - THC still works. - 2CB doesn't work either 25mg did nothing to me last time I took it. - MDMA still works I've never done mescaline, super curious. Maybe someday! I've tried DMT a few times since the extraction days (with a vape pen) and felt close to nothing. Also wondering how an old school ayahuasca ceremony would feel, but I'm not hopeful and it would seem a terrible waste of time/expense.
C'est la vie. It was fun while it lasted. I REALLY miss my old trips, but as I get older, I've gotten more into mindfulness, meditation, and other "natural" highs. Maybe it's the universe giving me a sign 
Reminds me of a good quote: Nothing lasts, but nothing is lost.
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Re: Permanent tolerance due to DMT usage [Re: Giro] 1
#28558063 - 11/27/23 07:48 AM (2 months, 44 minutes ago) |
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(it seriously felt like a scary admonishments from some being on the other side.)
Can you expand on this?
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Re: Permanent tolerance due to DMT usage [Re: Bardy] 1
#28558248 - 11/27/23 11:35 AM (1 month, 30 days ago) |
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Bardy said: That’s pretty strange 😁 the first few times I did mushies were the most visual for me, then for some reason they tapered down on the visuals… been a fair while since I’ve taken a large dose of them though so maybe my tolerance has reset.
A weird thing I've found is that after tripping a LOT, my "resolution" is migh higher. Meaning, that the "grid" you see when you close your eyes (web, etc) becomes smaller shapes. That's what I've found, and I have to dose higher, no matter how long I've given myself a break. I believe you reach plateaus, where you are able to go deeper because of your enhanced "resolution."
Or, I was just tripping...
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Re: Permanent tolerance due to DMT usage [Re: stareatclouds] 1
#28559598 - 11/28/23 03:24 PM (1 month, 29 days ago) |
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(it seriously felt like a scary admonishments from some being on the other side.)
Can you expand on this?
I've gotten this one time i just decided to smoke some dmt at a bad time. All my visuals were dark blood red and it was like spirits were wagging their finger in shame at me for doing the dmt and trying to admonish me for it.
I say reverse tolerance for DMT because you can smoke it and get very high, than do it again 30 mintues later, and repeat for a few hours before it gets muted too much. You can't take LSD, wait an hour after the trip, and take more and trip again.
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Giro said: Hey y'all
I'm actually the friend Plok is referring to. (I also forgot I had an account! It looks like I first joined in 2011!)
First, thank you hive-mind! I've been Googling around for a while about this and hadn't found anything, it hadn't occured to me to post onto a forum. Thanks Plok!
Some clarification... I can trip with LSD, it's just VERY muted. My LSD tolerance is almost an inside joke amongst some of my friends. Even when I take 3 or 4 hits, the most visuals I get is a light "breathing" on surfaces. I do get the giggles, and the increased energy (and sometimes anxiety), but the more "trippier" effects like kaleidoscopic patterns, ego loss, and synesthesia are definitely not happening. I really miss tripping like I used to...
SWIM extracted a large amount of DMT around 2008 and tripping has never been the same since. It must have been maybe 6 months where I was experimenting it quite frequently, but then stopped because of diminished effects and a few scary experiences (it seriously felt like a scary admonishments from some being on the other side.)
I don't do shrooms very often, so I really didn't notice how muted it was until now. I ate a full eighth and seriously, I felt almost nothing. A little energy, initially. Maybe the colors brighter? Some mushroom yawns. And then that's it. It was seriously disappointing, because I've had some amazing experiences in the past.
So to summarize... - LSD works, but muted. - Ketamine definitely still works, which makes sense given the receptors involved. - Nitrous still works. - THC still works. - 2CB doesn't work either 25mg did nothing to me last time I took it. - MDMA still works I've never done mescaline, super curious. Maybe someday! I've tried DMT a few times since the extraction days (with a vape pen) and felt close to nothing. Also wondering how an old school ayahuasca ceremony would feel, but I'm not hopeful and it would seem a terrible waste of time/expense.
C'est la vie. It was fun while it lasted. I REALLY miss my old trips, but as I get older, I've gotten more into mindfulness, meditation, and other "natural" highs. Maybe it's the universe giving me a sign 
Reminds me of a good quote: Nothing lasts, but nothing is lost.
It seems that you just burnt out you 5Ht2x receptors (your serotonin receptors) by consuming so much DMT. This explains why your visuals are so muted on serotonin-type psychedelics like LSD as it is those 5ht2 receptors that are responsible for visuals on those drugs. The same would apply for 2CB as well. The best thing for you to do is not consume any of those type of drugs for a long time to let those receptor sites reach a new homeostasis. It won't be the same as before your DMT experiments, but it will be better than it is now. It's really unhealthy and it will be abuse if you take that class of drugs (LSD, 2CB, mushrooms, DMT, etc.) the serotonin-type psychedelics. So please take a long break from them for your own sake and health.
Just to repeat, even if you don't return to them, please just start now and take a long break from them. At least a year minimum, your brain needs to reach a new homeostasis otherwise you are just doing brain damage by preventing it. You should really stay away from MDMA and MDA too even though it works. Ketamine, nitrous, salvia, THC, GHB, etc. etc. are fine to take, just do not take any of the serotonin type psychedelics for at least a year. Also MDMA if you can avoid it.
Odds are is after a year, two if you can wait, that your new homeostasis will be rich with new visual tapestries and your brain will thank you for letting the brain damage heal.
Edited by Typerwritermonky (11/28/23 03:25 PM)
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A whole year?! 
Welp, its better than permanent right?
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Re: Permanent tolerance due to DMT usage [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#28560657 - 11/29/23 11:58 AM (1 month, 28 days ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: A whole year?! 
Welp, its better than permanent right? 
Easily. I once overdosed on an SNRI because a doctor didn't tell me shit about the medication and I took some St Johns Wort with it. Fried my circuits hard. I couldn't even consume THC, even totally sober I felt like a zombie. It was horrible. I still think it did a few % of brain damage, but after abstaining from everything for a year or so, I could enjoy it again. Now, like 5 years later, my psychedelic experiences are just as they were when I first took it.
So yeah, at least a year. Ideally even more if possible. I mean why even take them if the effects are so muted that you have to take 400ug to get mild effects? At that point, taking psychedelics is just abusing them and causing more brain damage by delaying the healing process and fucking up the homeostasis balance as it settles.
But yeah, better to take a year or two off and have good effects again then permanent brain damage.
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Re: Permanent tolerance due to DMT usage [Re: Plok]
#28564007 - 12/01/23 04:34 PM (1 month, 26 days ago) |
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I think psychedelics are intelligent and remarkable substances, and they actually prompt you to take a break and integrate. I experienced a diminishing effect with DMT when I used to vape it too often. However, when I took a longer break, integrated the experience I have recieved and vaped DMT again, I felt the effects as they used to be.
I don't agree with the notion of it causing "burning", it doesn't make any sense since tryptamines aren't toxic or caustic. I believe we may be influenced by certain spirits that control the depth of our experiences. Additionally, some people have reported being banned by entities in the DMT or psilocybin realm, which is quite common. This world is more mysterious than most people usually think.
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Re: Permanent tolerance due to DMT usage [Re: Bra]
#28564370 - 12/01/23 08:02 PM (1 month, 26 days ago) |
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People don’t use burnt out in a literal sense, as in the receptors are burning. It’s a metaphor for the receptors or cells “dying off” or malfunctioning in some way. It’s being used here in a similar way to when people say they are “burnt out” from too much work or being too busy.
Not sure exactly what you mean by spirits or entities (I’ve never taken a high enough dose for the entity experience), but these are almost certainly just results of thinking and nothing else. If you’re able to stop thinking, I’d be willing to bet they disappear.
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Re: Permanent tolerance due to DMT usage [Re: Bardy] 1
#28564617 - 12/02/23 12:22 AM (1 month, 26 days ago) |
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I think its plausible that DMT may have long term adverse effects over time. Not only because of how utterly powerful it is but also because of how pleasurable it is combined with its crack-like duration which can leave one wanting more.
It's an incredible hit for sure but is IMO really more of a straight up drug experience than something like Ana/Ayahuasca and I do think it has more addiction potential.
It can be very moreish and pretty much the ultimate rush if you approach it like a roller-coaster and go in ready for it!
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Re: Permanent tolerance due to DMT usage [Re: wolf8312] 1
#28564758 - 12/02/23 05:20 AM (1 month, 26 days ago) |
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I’ve experienced this moreish aspect once or twice, just doing enough over and over for crazy closed eye visuals. So yeah, I definitely get what you mean… I don’t think it has much addiction potential in the long run though. I certainly didn’t wake up in the morning wanting more haha
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Re: Permanent but possible reversable damage due to DMT usage [Re: wolf8312]
#28564773 - 12/02/23 05:44 AM (1 month, 26 days ago) |
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Well said wolf8312! I think you explained the DMT situation well.
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Re: Permanent tolerance due to DMT usage [Re: Bardy]
#28564774 - 12/02/23 05:46 AM (1 month, 26 days ago) |
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Bardy said: I’ve experienced this moreish aspect once or twice, just doing enough over and over for crazy closed eye visuals. So yeah, I definitely get what you mean… I don’t think it has much addiction potential in the long run though. I certainly didn’t wake up in the morning wanting more haha
Defo no addiction potential for me personally either tbh (but maybe if I was 20 years younger). Needing to psych myself up for about a month before hand pretty much eliminates that issue haha, but it is quite easy to get through in a session once one gets past the first hit.
Little point in more than one good blast off dose per session though I think.
But I can understand why it happens and how a certain kind of person could end up chasing it.
It feels kind of wasteful compared to Ana IMO.
One reason I never liked coke. If its great its soon over and you have to do more with inevitable diminishing returns and waste.
Its either over in a few minutes or you have to keep hitting it.
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Re: Permanent tolerance due to DMT usage [Re: Bardy]
#28574829 - 12/08/23 07:04 PM (1 month, 19 days ago) |
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actually I'll have to think about this more when I'm not stoned. Permanent tolerance is a weird phenomenon.
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Re: Permanent tolerance due to DMT usage [Re: Northerner] 1
#28574845 - 12/08/23 07:14 PM (1 month, 19 days ago) |
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Northerner said: Yeah being locked out from DMT by overuse is pretty common. Usually it only lasts up to a year, but I have heard of it being permanent.
It's not commonly talked about here but you can read a lot about it on Nexus.
I'm surprised LSD doesn't work on him though, usually that still works even when tryptamines won't anymore.
Most psychedelic drugs fall into one of the three families of chemical compounds: tryptamines, phenethylamines, or lysergamides (LSD is considered both a tryptamine and lysergamide).
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Re: Permanent tolerance due to DMT usage [Re: WhoManBeing]
#28574853 - 12/08/23 07:19 PM (1 month, 19 days ago) |
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Not only that I think DMT has a higher binding affinity then LSD but it's been a long time since I actually looked.
This is why the nbomes are dangerous btw since someone mentioned them earlier. They were made to target this receptor site with a very strong electrical charge to study the effects in lab animals.
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Re: Permanent tolerance due to DMT usage [Re: wolf8312]
#28574892 - 12/08/23 07:52 PM (1 month, 19 days ago) |
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What is Ana?
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