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Re: Worst dad contest (Therapy) [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28553415 - 11/22/23 11:38 PM (2 months, 4 days ago)

:shrug: Have you tried to ignore the thread?


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Re: Worst dad contest (Therapy) [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
    #28553766 - 11/23/23 09:19 AM (2 months, 4 days ago)

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Re: Worst dad contest (Therapy) [Re: TheStallionMang]
    #28553772 - 11/23/23 09:24 AM (2 months, 4 days ago)

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Re: Worst dad contest (Therapy) [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
    #28553806 - 11/23/23 09:43 AM (2 months, 4 days ago)

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:shrug: Have you tried to ignore the thread?




I don't have conversations with people that can't respond any better than that so unless you want to do better in your next response, this will be it for me

Don't PM me to give half ass answers to questions I asked in your thread
That's fucked up and weird that you couldn't just answer directly for everyone in the conversation to see

You have no real sensitivity for reading people or knowing how you're coming off to others despite thinking you do.  Even the title of this thread, which as you predicted brought out some truly horrible traumatic experiences, is not cool.  Worst dad contest?  You wanna make having a horrendously violent and abusive father into some kind of thing that you win?  Believe me, everyone that posted a story here about their dad in no way feels like he won shit because of being abused

At worst, it looks almost like you're making a joke out of people's trauma while trying to look like a white knight, and at the very least it shows how tone deaf you are

I highly suggest you think about this shit and the number of ignores you have.  I know you said you don't care but that only points to something else I already thought which is that you aren't here to help people, you do things for yourself, for attention, to feel like you're a good person, basically to fake your way into some sort of good guy role.  Sorry dude, but I see thru it and I can tell other people are starting to let you know as well.  A decent socially normal person knows how to act when they are the new guy in the room and knows it isn't cool to walk in a stranger and completely set a new tone for the place.  Either change your tone or post less.  Either way you're fucking annoying and most people aren't as quick to tell someone as I am but there's a lot of other members that feel the same way


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Re: Worst dad contest (Therapy) [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28553813 - 11/23/23 09:47 AM (2 months, 4 days ago)

I wanted to put to bed so you didn’t do this again on my thread.
Weird that a car accident is a half assed excuse to you.

I have access to my phone quite often during my recovery. I enjoy using this as a therapeutic tool. That is why I post. I thought the ignore thread taught this lesson pretty well. I don’t care how many people ignore me at all. It’s not something I’m trying to do. But I don’t care if it happens. I have opinions that people don’t agree with. They’re going to ignore those opinions because they can’t face them. that’s how most of my ignores have been gained.
I went to tge flatearther thread and I looked ove then destroyed every stupid theory with Enlil and Koods until they stopped posting. They ran out.
Then I went to anti-VAX and I tried to figure out what their modus operandi was. Thats going to get me a couple ignores.
It isn’t just something that happened. I basically enticed these ignores.
Just because I’m trying to have real conversations with people. That is going to happen.
I don’t care because the therapy has been helping. I enjoy the site. I enjoy the community. People can ignore me. It’s an easily used tool. I don’t want to be ignored by lots of people. But I think my therapy is more important than pleasing everyone on a giant website.
This obviously isn’t a contest. It’s a very hard topic. I thought making it a kind of cheeky title would let people lower their guard enough to be able to talk about such a difficult topic. It isn’t for me. It’s just so people can express these things. I was really mad at my father. I thought this would help people like me. It did.

If it bothers you, I’ll change the title.
But yeah, I don’t see why this level of aggression is appropriate.
I want to help people. It’s not for me. It’s for anybody that wants to participate.

Did you ever want to contribute to this thread?
Or did you just come in here because you wanted to do this confrontation?



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Re: Worst dad contest (Therapy) [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
    #28553846 - 11/23/23 10:14 AM (2 months, 4 days ago)

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I don’t want to be ignored by lots of people.





Then you should think about what I said.  You're racking up ignores faster than I've ever seen anyone

Quote:

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But I think my therapy is more important than pleasing everyone on a giant website.





The two things you put together in that sentence have nothing to do with each other.  Your supposition there is that you're just being yourself while posting here and that posting like you do is part of your therapy so it doesn't matter if you're putting people off but that is a load of bullshit

I have a rule against ignoring people and haven't put anyone on ignore in a long time but I'm getting close to making an exception for you.  I won't be trying to help you be less annoying again though because I've already said more than I should have needed to

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Re: Worst dad contest (Therapy) [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28553849 - 11/23/23 10:16 AM (2 months, 4 days ago)

K
Quite a few people have told me that my presence has been nothing but good.
But I’m different.
A lot of people don’t like that.


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Re: Worst dad contest (Therapy) [Re: TheStallionMang] * 1
    #28553856 - 11/23/23 10:21 AM (2 months, 4 days ago)

Dude seriously fuck off.  While I'm responding to your post you edit and add so much shit that it's ridiculous.  You aren't gonna get it and I'm gonna love watching this place get tired of you

I can tell I'm wasting my breath so...


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Re: Worst dad contest (Therapy) [Re: TheStallionMang]
    #28554031 - 11/23/23 01:11 PM (2 months, 4 days ago)



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Re: Worst dad contest (Therapy) [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
    #28554077 - 11/23/23 02:02 PM (2 months, 3 days ago)

@GenesisCorrupted,
I think you misunderstand the dynamic of the forums at the Shroomery.
the overall topic of each forum is fixed,
there are a few rules for each forum,
then people start discussions, and anyone can participate.

if you have a need that does not correspond with the structure you
  • speak to management and
  • raise a crew that back your new idea and
  • they make a new forum for you if it suits the overall shroomery mandate
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the discussions are not private rooms, or stores in a mall, so if you intend to put up a shingle here
eg
"free therapy --->here<--- free therapy"

you get a discussion, in which you are not entitled to tell people what they can say in your therapy room, because it is not your therapy room.
it is a public discussion thread encompassing some group of topics that has already been established as a place of discussions

it is not your playground where you tell other kids to get out.

your personal therapy activity idea might have a place here: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/postlist.php/Board/42

but they may be too serious about professional quality help. what we are doing here in this forum is about ideas, and trying to be honest and informed.

Maybe the https://www.shroomery.org/forums/postlist.php/Board/42 ???

maybe someplace different altogether. or start a personal blog and post here the address and then let it rest.

at the same time,
some people have been working out things here that do bother them cognitively.

Still it has not been "therapy" it has been like conversation at a bar - very casual, and in my case I am trying to be consistent with regards to my synthesis about memory formation and perceptive reflexes, and I admit it is bleeding edge.

you and I have actually clashed here and in another forum because if anything I am on about is true, then there is no such thing as NREM dreams.

nREM dreams will not have detectable theta or alpha frequency activity, so the idea is they are not dreams, they have no mental content, mental content requires alpha or theta support in all cases.

But you can say there are NREM dreams and why and I can say why not as long as we want to.

this is a forum where disagreement also works, it is invited, while in spirituality, nobody is supposed to diss anyone else's ideas.


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Re: Worst dad contest (Therapy) [Re: TheStallionMang] * 1
    #28554341 - 11/23/23 07:19 PM (2 months, 3 days ago)

Tough love has its place at times.


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Re: Worst dad contest (Therapy) [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28554348 - 11/23/23 07:29 PM (2 months, 3 days ago)

(RGV this comment does not apply to you.)

When you guys are ready to have an actual discussion. I’ll be here waiting.

Until then, have a good time with all that masculinity that’s keeping you from seeking help.

You need to want help to receive it.
If y’all are afraid of that. And you need to throw rocks at it. Because you don’t understand it. You’re not ready for Therapy.

I mean really, the guy talking about killing himself. Was I not supposed to offer Therapy. I don’t understand what the point of you people is. You just want him to kill himself? Because I don’t. I guess that means I care. :shrug:


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Re: Worst dad contest (Therapy) [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28554435 - 11/23/23 08:41 PM (2 months, 3 days ago)

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Re: Worst dad contest (Therapy) [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28554474 - 11/23/23 09:51 PM (2 months, 3 days ago)

Quote:

Gray Hound said:
The world is am eminent attack on me personally every second. I have to breath air every second of the day, just to stay alive.
And if I decide to stop breathing air. I am fucking dead.




Is this what you thought was someone talking about killing themselves?

Sounds to me like venting frustrations of having to deal with the responsibilities of being human.


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Re: My work and studies. [Re: sudly] * 3
    #28554588 - 11/24/23 02:24 AM (2 months, 3 days ago)

Hey GC, thanks for making this thread.

Haven’t read through it all yet, and even though I dislike my Dad sometimes, I know he’s a good person, and I love him. This thread, when I remember it, will help me to put things into perspective when I’m grumpy with my Dad next.

I cannot fathom what it would be like to go through some of the things I’ve read here, and it tortures me to know that kids go through things like this. It is absolutely horrible.

Just wanna say that I really look up to you guys who’ve had such a hard upbringing and have still managed to turn out as respectable adults. I can’t think of what to say other than well fucking done. Sorry for swearing but I feel like it needed the emphasis.

Also, I’m not sure what the beef is that you have with RGV, GC, but he’s a very wise dude, and a well intentioned man I think. If it seems like he’s criticising you have you thought that maybe he’s just interested in helping you get to the truth? Because he only seems to be interested in getting to the truth of all things to me. I don’t think he’s the type of person that would be deliberately hunting down your threads just to disagree with whatever it is you’re saying. Food for thought.

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Re: My work and studies. [Re: Bardy]
    #28554592 - 11/24/23 02:34 AM (2 months, 3 days ago)

Honestly, I really like  RGV. Like genuinely. He seems like a really cool guy.
I just have different opinions. And it seems like he wants to make fun of me for it. Psychedelic gummy bears?

I think we could’ve even gotten past our differences in philosophy. But then he scientifically disagreed with me. I have experienced non-sleep dreams. He has done some studies in which he has come to the conclusion that is impossible.

I love doing dream interpretations. It’s my favorite thread that I think I’ve gotten to make. So having somebody that I felt welcomed me to the community. Somebody I genuinely liked reading the comments of. Then having them try to insult me and undermine me in my favorite thread constantly. Made me feel some animosity towards him.

This made me present a lot of evidence to back up my claim of Nrem-sleep dreams existing.

He told me his evidence was his signature. Which wasn’t enough for me. So I asked him to stop contributing to it.
Agree to disagree.

Which really sucks. Because honestly, he was kind of the coolest person I initially got to meet on this community. He’s my most conflicted review.
I literally go back and change it almost once a day.


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Re: Worst dad contest (Therapy) [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28554597 - 11/24/23 02:50 AM (2 months, 3 days ago)

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@GenesisCorrupted,
your personal therapy activity idea might have a place here: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/postlist.php/Board/42

But you can say there are NREM dreams and why and I can say why not as long as we want to.

this is a forum where disagreement also works, it is invited, while in spirituality, nobody is supposed to diss anyone else's ideas.




Truthfully. I didn’t even see that until recently.
I wanted to offer Therapy . I thought that was psychology.
Only recently did I even notice that the main point of this form is discussion and debate. Which is not what I am trying to offer here.

A very salient point. I thought you were just messing with me for the sake of it. I had to go read the forum board today to figure out why. I guess if you guys are used to questioning everything that’s posted here of course you’re going to question what I’m doing.

But I’m trying to stop somebody from hurting themselves. So it feels a little hurtful in the grand scheme. That people are trying to debate that I should try to do that.

I wouldn’t mind having it moved to wellness. That seems appropriate. But this is psychological. So I am conflicted. Although this has definitely relieved strain. I just want people to get better…
RGV go check your updated review from me.
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Re: Worst dad contest (Therapy) [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28554629 - 11/24/23 04:12 AM (2 months, 3 days ago)

You can have non rem dreams, that generally arent as vivid as rem dreams, but what do you mean by non sleep dream?

I just had an extremely vivid dream that lasted 3 hours in real time, I wrote down my take right after. But I have no idea if it was rem or not or what if any mix there was and speculating on it would be a waste of my time given I wasn't under laboratory observations.

But I can certainly reflect and interpret on what if any meaning can be had from it. That's what I'll be doing shortly.

Maybe you feel attacked or something, but maybe your ideas are just being challenged for what they are. Give it some thought, and maybe remember the perspective of what two horns can do in sand.

I don't know if it's wet or not, for the example it's dry, but that's a wayward thing anyway, we'll see.


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Re: Worst dad contest (Therapy) [Re: sudly]
    #28554643 - 11/24/23 04:38 AM (2 months, 3 days ago)

the science on NREM dreams is weakly based upon self reporting, and a difficulty in assessing REM.

During REM either alpha or (usually) theta rhythms are detected (they are not ever detected in NREM - therefore REM is associated with the alpha and theta neural activation waves***), and events that can be correlated with experiencing are visible in many areas of the cortex - this indicates a scientific record of dream events. Self reporting does not work for NDE's or for NREM dreams, those investigative forays are deeply flawed. Self reporting can be made up on the instant of questioning, and nobody can determine the truth.

NREM dreams can be co-opted to support consciousness that is not brain based, and I think that direction in science is also flawed. The literature about brain and behaviour is full of good and flawed approaches, so a person interested in it has to keep their mind open and follow the most reliable approaches, like for example, the fact that memory is an associative function.

(***) It is actually possible to have alpha or theta activation without REM, but it is extremely rare, and to ascertain this we need accurate EEG's accompanying the NREM time series detection of the event.

I would avoid referencing this fringe aspect of possibilities as a key to your dream therapies.


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    #28554653 - 11/24/23 05:19 AM (2 months, 3 days ago)

Genny, you seem like a fun & sound fella- I can relate to your what your underlying intentions seem to be, for real.
But I also reckon it's largely your M.O that brings a lot of the resistance you seem get from people on here, resistance you fight again and again.
I see a sort of performative aspect to many of your posts, your prescence and how they link up- that might just be by the nature of this being an open forum- but I see it as going a little beyond that into the region of you wanting to be seen to do/be 'good'.

Look, for example, at the weight you put on how you think others percieve your opinions, prime or most recent example being where you tell RGV to recheck your review of him... Whatever the inent, it can come across a bit pompous.
My compulsion to make this comment is mainly because I've long been so like that too, offering unsolicited advice to everyone around me in a reactive way because GOD FORBID it's ME who has a problem, who has to develop, who is more often wrong than right...
Doesn't mean I don't have true inentions toward those around me, but when I always need the world to line up just so for me to be able to feel at peace/comfortable- is it likely that the whole external world is what needs addressed?
These desires to help can run amok and become something much less useful.

Even still I catch myself trying to ingratiate myself with shroomerites who I look up to and so on.
The TLDR being trying to feel some sembelance of self worth by manipulating a situation to get someone else to point it out to me as if it were their idea.
It's fucking embarassing and cringey and it doesn't make me feel good when I'm obsessing about it after the fact but sometimes these well trodden paths seem to walk themselves while "we" are just along for the ride.
Reactivity in a nutshell.

It's seemingly part of the selfs endless P.R campaign of "Look how good, look how approachable, look how useful!" many of us have going on within, an attempt to heal mistakes of the past by leaving no doubt as to the virtue we like to think we have grown into.

Lets say I was learning to weld, with the intention of becoming a great fabricator for my community- would it be appropriate for me to outright offer "free welding" to randos out of kindness as I develop my skills? I don't think it would.
My unqualified attempts could put people in danger at worst and somewhere where my misguided attempt needs repaired by a professional, thereby leaving them in a slightly worse spot than where they started, at best.
So perhaps by offering 'therapy' instead of treating each interaction with people with the nuance it calls for isn't the best approach to demonstrate the love you have in you that clearly wants putting to some use.


One of the tops comments on that video is the T.S Eliot quote:
“Half the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important. They don't mean to do harm; but the harm does not interest them. Or they do not see it, or they justify it because they are absorbed in the endless struggle to think well of themselves.”

It's not to say you're not nice, it just seems like a personality quirk that you're not really open to acknowledging...
You elude to being in some sort of recovery from an accident, so with all due respect how about using more of the time to really immerse yourself in a bunch of damn good books, perhaps increasing the length or effort involved in your meditation sessions (assuming you have one) or any number of activities that would genuinely serve you in good stead moving forward- rather than having to rehash the same bits and bobs time & again on the mushroom website?
:twocents:
Don't get me wrong this place is great, I love it and get a lot out of talking to my friends on here, reading threads, seeing dank canopies and any amounts of the delightful fuckery that goes on but I think we can all do well to take a step out of the roles we play from time to time if only to better appreciate and enjoy the sense of community available here.
Several times this year I've seen myself get puffed up after a few posts that I deem as being well recieved then get embarassed over something janky I say and ban myself for a month for my lack of impulse control :lol:

Remember your title mate: you've got student and a Daoist in there so why not make a concerted affort to let the way teach you and by cultivating the more receptive parts of yourself, more YIN & perhaps you'll ease into a way of being able to help others that is less obscured by your expectations/agenda.
I'd rather count among my friends, one genuine student rather than ten questionable teachers.
Discerning compassion.
All things considered, I hope you see this comment for what it is intended to be, not as outright advice as much as an attempt to relate and share potential insight from another young guy who seems to share many similar foibles.
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Step into my office: I prescribe a careful viewing of Pixars 'Soul' and some I.V Sharon Salzberg, stat!
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