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Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore)
    #28525758 - 11/01/23 06:21 PM (2 months, 25 days ago)

"If everyone agreed to become vegetarian, leaving little or nothing for livestock, the present 1.4 billion hectares of arable land (3.5 billion acres) would support about 10 billion people". - Edward Wilson, sociobiologist, Harvard University.



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"I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung

Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti

"All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]


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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: Cory Duchesne]
    #28525763 - 11/01/23 06:25 PM (2 months, 25 days ago)

Symbiosis is defined as a close, prolonged association between two or more different biological species. This relationship can be symbiotic (mutualistic), where both parties involved benefit from the interaction, or it can be parasitic, where one party benefits while the other is harmed.


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C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know."

"I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung

Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti

"All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]


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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: Cory Duchesne]
    #28525773 - 11/01/23 06:34 PM (2 months, 25 days ago)

The evolutionary story of how fungi shaped all terrestrial life — including us, Nature of things, CBC Docs:



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C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know."

"I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung

Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti

"All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]


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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: Cory Duchesne]
    #28525881 - 11/01/23 08:23 PM (2 months, 25 days ago)

By some metric, bovines are doing white well, numbering at least 90 million in the US. The relationship of the cattle consumer is both life giving and life taking.

Also, I think meat is healthy. Vegetarians (many of who are health conscious) are more likely to be healthy in other areas of their life, not to mention that their diet should be healthier than the average meat eater. For instance, is the average meat eater more or less likely to overconsume carbs than a vegetarian? Vegetarians weigh less than meat eaters and it's probably the meat eaters more often munching down on bags of chips and candy and soda.


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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: Rahz]
    #28526202 - 11/02/23 06:15 AM (2 months, 25 days ago)

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"I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung

Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti

"All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]


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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: Rahz]
    #28526259 - 11/02/23 08:10 AM (2 months, 25 days ago)

AI ChatBot built with the writings and talks of Peter Russell

Q: Can we create a future that is more symbiotic and less parasitic?

PR: Yes, I truly believe that we can create a future that is more symbiotic and less parasitic. This belief stems not only from my unwavering optimism but also from certain observations and projections about the evolution of human consciousness.
If we look closely at any successfully functioning organism - be it a slime mold, an oak tree, or the human body - we find a commonality. They all display an incredible synergy where each component is naturally and spontaneously functioning together, in harmony with the whole. Such harmonious interaction is not enforced or coerced; rather, it arises organically from within.
The same potential lies within our human society. We possess the capability to function as a global social superorganism. However, the realization of this potential depends entirely upon us. Our collective future hinges on our individual and collective choices right now.
Making this shift would require us to challenge and transform some of our most fundamental assumptions about ourselves and the world. The crux of this evolutionary leap will lie in the realm of human consciousness, which is now the spearhead of evolution. Evolutionary processes are now being internalized within each of us. Our internal models of ourselves - our perceptions, thoughts, and actions - are what dictate our external realities.
The possibility to affect positive change exists within us all. I invite you to explore this further - how can you evolve your own consciousness? How can your inner changes contribute to the collective shift towards a more symbiotic society? Let's remember, we truly are in this together - each of us contributing our unique perspectives to the larger wholeness. Happy exploring!


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C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know."

"I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung

Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti

"All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]


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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: Rahz]
    #28526307 - 11/02/23 08:59 AM (2 months, 25 days ago)

Replying to comments by Rahz  :smile:

Vegetarians (many of who are health conscious) are more likely to be healthy in other areas of their life, not to mention that their diet should be healthier than the average meat eater.

One one hand I agree. On the other hand, I know strict health-conscious vegans who have been obese for decades.  It's kind of amazing how fat one can get not eating any junk food, and only eating plant products!
 
For instance, is the average meat eater more or less likely to overconsume carbs than a vegetarian? Vegetarians weigh less than meat eaters and it's probably the meat eaters more often munching down on bags of chips and candy and soda.

In some cases, yes. But some meat eaters (myself included) are very health conscious.  As much as 40% of Americans suffer from metabolic disorder, and carbohydrate metabolism problems (T2 diabetes, high blood pressure, cardiovascular disease, visceral fat - the most dangerous kind, Alzheimer's, etc) yet nobody talks about it - just take some pills for that!  Defund the US "healthcare" system. They've failed.

People look at a triple cheeseburger and falsely believe the meat and cheese will promote a heart attack.  But the meat and cheese is fine.  The problem is the combination of the carbs and fat.   

BTW, I've had a belly for 20 years, and it's now gone after eating more beef, bacon, butter, and eggs.  I feel better than I've felt in decades.  The brain is 60% fat!  I feel great eating fat. I had to deprogram myself from decades of bad messaging that fat is bad.

I think meat is healthy.

:thumbup:  decades of nutritional misinformation continue to promote ignorance.   




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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #28526425 - 11/02/23 10:19 AM (2 months, 25 days ago)

Sure there are exceptions to everything but vegetarians are statistically less fat than meat eaters.

Meat eaters include the group of people who eat "whatever".

Glad your diet is working for you :thumbup:


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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: Cory Duchesne]
    #28527343 - 11/03/23 12:58 AM (2 months, 24 days ago)

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Cory Duchesne said:
"If everyone agreed to become vegetarian, leaving little or nothing for livestock, the present 1.4 billion hectares of arable land (3.5 billion acres) would support about 10 billion people". - Edward Wilson, sociobiologist, Harvard University.




I would say that we already have enough food and land to support a doubling of population, but that the unanswered question is still about the logistics behind transporting and maintaining that food through the diverse locals it is required in.

While we could technically already survive of an entirely vegetarian diet if we removed our reliance and preference for livestock, that sounds like a rhetorical question to ask.

If we could all be vegetarian, why aren't we?

Well, some of us value the lives of animals differently, and while one person might feel remorse or guilt to kill any insect in their home, someone else may take glee in removing an ant nest or pest deemed annoying.

The question may want to know how we differ in valuing the lives of certain animals like pets over those of domestic, native, invasive or pest animals, and I think that requires further analysis.

Really, though, an omnivore and a vegan can coexist, but it might take some compromising on issues like eating together. While a vegan may compromise by being okay with an omnivore eating meat in their own time, an omnivore can also compromise on eating vegetarian while spending time with a vegan. As a show of mutual respect and open mindedness towards one another.

In the case of a vegan I went on a date with recently, I recognised that neither of us wanted to change one another, and that we were both open minded in reducing the suffering of animals and attempting to live in a humane and sustainable way. We didn't get into it there, but she said she understand a lot of animals die to grow our vegetables, but that she's still not comfortable with the death of livestock.

I haven't shared my own view in much detail yet, but frankly I believe that harvesting the bio-weight of pests in farming is a more sustainable and productive way of farming, and that land and water resource issues can be resolved, at least partially, with advances and serious long term investments in insect farming methods and technologies.

To try and make insect meat patties that are affordable and tasty. 

I don't like the idea of calling something meat if it isn't meat, and if a patty is made of vegetables, I want the taste of those vegetables to be what stands out. Maybe a vegetable patty is more savoury and umami than the almost sweet savouriness of something like a pork roast soaked in gravy.

I don't like the idea of livestock dying either, but I think we both recognised that we were more of less okay with the utilisation of insects for human agriculture and food practices.


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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: sudly]
    #28527583 - 11/03/23 08:11 AM (2 months, 24 days ago)

I'm flexible. I hardly ever eat meat, but when a deer hunter offers meat, I accept it. I've shot a rabbit before and helped skin/butcher a deer, so I can go either way. What I end up eating all hinges on the needs of the situation. I think this conversation will continue hundreds of years into the future and the technology and tools we use for farming will determine what we end up eating. Living in the north, where the winters are long, it's an eskimo-hunter style diet, which means, killing and eating meat. 

I mostly live off vegetable curry, rice and yogurt being my main course. I would stop smoking tobacco, but I don't necessarily want to live much longer. A shortened life span has become appealing to me at this point because I'm having difficulties in too many areas of life.


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"I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung

Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti

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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: Cory Duchesne]
    #28527602 - 11/03/23 08:34 AM (2 months, 24 days ago)

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C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know."

"I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung

Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti

"All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]


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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: Cory Duchesne]
    #28527604 - 11/03/23 08:36 AM (2 months, 24 days ago)

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C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know."

"I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung

Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti

"All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]


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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: sudly]
    #28527608 - 11/03/23 08:50 AM (2 months, 24 days ago)

Sugar, Oil and Salt - Dr. Aris LaTham



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C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know."

"I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung

Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti

"All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]


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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: Cory Duchesne]
    #28527645 - 11/03/23 09:32 AM (2 months, 24 days ago)

Quote:

Cory Duchesne said:
I would stop smoking tobacco, but I don't necessarily want to live much longer. A shortened life span has become appealing to me at this point because I'm having difficulties in too many areas of life.




Are you familiar with the concept of dying before you die?


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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: Rahz] * 1
    #28527999 - 11/03/23 02:34 PM (2 months, 24 days ago)

interesting angle
I met some well adjusted survivors of Auschwitz
they explained, that they have already died.


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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: Rahz]
    #28528057 - 11/03/23 03:43 PM (2 months, 23 days ago)

Attentiveness is the path to true life; Indifference is the path to death. The attentive do not die; The indifferent are as if they are dead already.
– Buddha Shakyamuni

^ I would say, as far as the dying before I die thing goes, I'm somewhere in the middle. Attentive, but not indifferent. Sensitive, not insensitive. I care about quitting tobacco, but I'm just having a difficult time finding enthusiasm. I got into what one could call a painful economic / social relationship. It's my relationship to what comes knocking at my door or cell phone that disturbs me. Recently I got a community treatment order for psychosis, I get involuntarily injected with abilify because I was angry about a variety of things. To be dead would be to be utterly indifferent and insensitive, and I still find myself attentive and sensitive to life. I am familiar with the concept, the reality of it, that's a different matter. I'm not dead yet, and the police and psychiatrist have me somewhat captured in a social pattern of injections and injunctions.


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"I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung

Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti

"All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]


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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: Rahz]
    #28528065 - 11/03/23 03:51 PM (2 months, 23 days ago)

A video recording I did on Freedom, Responsibility, Opportunities, Plans



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C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know."

"I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung

Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti

"All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]


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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: Rahz]
    #28528134 - 11/03/23 04:43 PM (2 months, 23 days ago)

Whose police? RCMP unit acts as a private security force, critics say - The Fifth Estate

I'm not indigenous/native, however, I know what it's like to be persecuted by corporate injunction:




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"I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung

Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti

"All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]


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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: Rahz]
    #28528820 - 11/04/23 09:54 AM (2 months, 23 days ago)

Remorse For Any Death (FORTY-SENSE)



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C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know."

"I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung

Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti

"All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]


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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: Cory Duchesne]
    #28529326 - 11/04/23 05:01 PM (2 months, 22 days ago)

The infringement of liberty is certainly an important issue especially when it gets worked into a system. The ethical weight is bypassed because it's right by virtue of being the system. It seems a lot of people's minds work that way... crazy IMO :crazy2:

Snus is a safer alternative to smoking tobacco. Can be purchased direct from Sweden. "Dry white" is a variant, cured longer and no added humectants. A time release mechanism which allows for a higher nicotine content, which ultimately lowers cost of use. A dollar a day or less.

I like the Buddha quote. He also spoke about reincarnation. If a person can't die while they're still alive, what is the point of dying? The whole transmigration thing is contrived fantasy IMO but reality can sometimes seem quite magical.

I only bring it up that way in response to your words. Lately I prefer to speak of noticing things are being held and the potential of letting go, opening one's hand and letting gravity do the rest.


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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: Rahz]
    #28529390 - 11/04/23 05:59 PM (2 months, 22 days ago)

Quote:


I like the Buddha quote. He also spoke about reincarnation. If a person can't die while they're still alive, what is the point of dying? The whole transmigration thing is contrived fantasy IMO but reality can sometimes seem quite magical. I only bring it up that way in response to your words. Lately I prefer to speak of noticing things are being held and the potential of letting go, opening one's hand and letting gravity do the rest.




I'm a bit despondent, to say the least. I'm 43 years old so I've seen quite a bit of what they call life. Shellshocked with mild ptsd at this point.  I studied quite a bit of eastern philosophy, buddism, taoism, etc. I know what you mean about dying before you die, however, it doesn't pay the bills. U.G. Krishnamurti made a comment that resonated with me, and it goes something like, "the guru business is like a government / welfare system." Best for all would be to find some meaningful employment that pays the bills and gives one something to look forward to after work. What I hated about working at the call centre for the phone company is that there are some lousy co workers who ask ridiculous questions like, "are you dating?", crap like that. And it's crap because why would anyone work a full time job were it not for an intimate relationship, I mean isn't that why anyone works?  I don't believe there is anyone who works and doesn't need something that resembles marriage, dating, whatever you call it. Then there were those co workers who get tangled in intimate relationships with each other in the workplace at the expense of their previous partners, it was embarrassing. It's really simple. Work/employment is for paying the bills so you can have some kind of intimate relatioship outside of work. When boundaries get blurry or dissolve, then psychiatry steps in, and soon the police are involved, then it's forced medication, hostiplization, etc. I believe, psychologically, I've been murdered by the system. Cigarettes are just a way to help pass the time, because my time is pretty much up.


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C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know."

"I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung

Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti

"All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]


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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: Rahz]
    #28529398 - 11/04/23 06:05 PM (2 months, 22 days ago)

"This mood of yours is good; the calm mood is the best.  The Confusion of Marriage? It is being played now." pg. 682-83, Go Ramakrishna

"We are using the neurons, our identity, to constantly maintain our identity. whether you are awake, asleep, or dreaming, this process is carried on. But, it is wearing you out.  That is why I say the tragedy that is facing mankind is not AIDS or cancer, but Alzheimer's disease." - U.G.



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C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know."

"I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung

Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti

"All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]


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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: Cory Duchesne] * 1
    #28529636 - 11/04/23 09:00 PM (2 months, 22 days ago)

The only way to have it all is to want little.


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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: Rahz]
    #28529654 - 11/04/23 09:13 PM (2 months, 22 days ago)

in a sense we are born with it all, and are just continually losing it.


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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: Rahz]
    #28531471 - 11/06/23 08:46 AM (2 months, 21 days ago)

Transcending Death
News of someone's death was brought to Sri Bhagavan. He said "Good". The dead are indeed happy. They have got rid of the troublesome overgrowth- the body. The dead man does not grieve. The survivors grieve for the man who is dead. Do men fear sleep? On the contrary sleep is courted and on waking up every man says that he slept happily. One prepares the bed for sound sleep. Sleep is temporary death. Death is longer sleep. If the man dies while yet alive he need not grieve over other's death. One's existence is evident with or without the body, as in waking, dream and sleep. Then why should one desire continuance of the bodily shackles? Let the man find out his undying self and die and be immortal and happy.- Ramana Maharshi (Talks 64)


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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: Cory Duchesne]
    #28531579 - 11/06/23 10:42 AM (2 months, 21 days ago)

the clergy, and in India, Sri Bhagavan is definitely clergy, only partly admit they are charlattans, the populace need guidance (maybe) and who is better able to guide than the clergy?

I think they are as ignorant as the populace.

very few have gone so far as to claim that they have returned from the dead or really know what being dead is all about. and it likely is about nothing in most cases.

those who have claimed to know, are making up stories, or repeating the storis they are convinced they have to repeat as part of the clergy.

a few minutes after the heart stops and the brain flatlines, revival is not possible.

you might say that after the heart stops and the brain flat lines, that the soul has left, but realistically, the body is no longer capable of consciousness.

if there were a separate soul from the brain, it cannot make its way back.
but is there really something separate like a soul? Again, nobody has proven it.

Some equate soul with conscience, for me conscience is about having a good grasp on morality - on knowing right from wrong, and in doing the right thing.

Compassion and the middle way make a lot of sense.


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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: Cory Duchesne]
    #28531839 - 11/06/23 02:24 PM (2 months, 20 days ago)

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Transcending Death
News of someone's death was brought to Sri Bhagavan. He said "Good". The dead are indeed happy. They have got rid of the troublesome overgrowth- the body. The dead man does not grieve. The survivors grieve for the man who is dead. Do men fear sleep? On the contrary sleep is courted and on waking up every man says that he slept happily. One prepares the bed for sound sleep. Sleep is temporary death. Death is longer sleep. If the man dies while yet alive he need not grieve over other's death. One's existence is evident with or without the body, as in waking, dream and sleep. Then why should one desire continuance of the bodily shackles? Let the man find out his undying self and die and be immortal and happy.- Ramana Maharshi (Talks 64)




Not sure I agree with all that but the important bit is the distinction between physical death and what is actually wanted. The body is a growth not an overgrowth. Unhelpful mental content can be seen as overgrowth. Exceptions aside, a desire for death is a desire for change in how the brain works rather that the complete cessation of function.

It's an important distinction because if suicide is conjured the solution is not being seen. Dying a physical death does not produce happiness but rather an end of the potential for it, though in some cases the survivors may experience some measure of relief or elation :smile:

Also FWIW, smoking doesn't cause time to pass. Seems like an excuse for addiction to me. I also suspect smoking plays a roll in maintaining a depressive state. Doing what one can, maintaining some level of curiosity, wanting to maintain some level of vigor while the body remains may not be everything but it can move a person's mind toward a place where further solutions seem possible. Eating well, exercising daily, getting plenty of sleep are things a person can do. While cessation of nicotine may be a harsh reality much of the toxicity of smoking tobacco can be avoided by switching to a different delivery method.

All that being said, I don't believe in free will so results vary. I just don't make assumptions about what those results may be.


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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: Rahz]
    #28531966 - 11/06/23 04:50 PM (2 months, 20 days ago)

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All that being said, I don't believe in free will so results vary. I just don't make assumptions about what those results may be.




Freedom, Plans and Opportunities (part 1, on addiction, tobacco, etc.)



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C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know."

"I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung

Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti

"All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]


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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: Cory Duchesne]
    #28531970 - 11/06/23 04:54 PM (2 months, 20 days ago)

I think it's fair to ask for a synopsis.


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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: Rahz]
    #28531992 - 11/06/23 05:10 PM (2 months, 20 days ago)

References:
Permaculture
Tobacco
Alovara
Cannabis
Agricultural design
Incineration
Deer Harvesting
Nintendo
Noam Chomsky
Metroid Zero Mission
Metroid Dread
End of Science: John Horgan
Nova Scotia
Masanobu Fukuoka

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C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know."

"I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung

Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti

"All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]


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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: Cory Duchesne]
    #28532238 - 11/06/23 07:51 PM (2 months, 20 days ago)

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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: Rahz]
    #28535656 - 11/09/23 12:34 PM (2 months, 18 days ago)

“Long before I was twenty, I was smoking excessively — fifteen or twenty big black cigars every day. My health was threatened, and my family often tried to get me to promise to stop, but I would not.
“One day I was standing in front of our house, when they told me the doctor had just said that my youngest sister, who had been very ill for some time, was dying. I went up to her room, carrying my lighted cigar, and before kneeling at her bedside I placed the cigar on a little table beside the bed.
“Niko,” she said, so faintly that I could hardly hear her, “you are killing yourself with smoking. Promise me you will give it up.”
“Yes,” I said; “if you will get well, I promise to give up smoking.”
“All right, Niko,” she said feebly. “I will try.”

“She did get well, and I have never smoked since. It was very hard to give it up, but I was determined to keep my promise. Not only did I stop, but I finally destroyed every inclination for what had been such a great satisfaction. In this way I have freed myself of other habits and passions, and so have preserved my health and my zest for life. The satisfaction derived from demonstrating my own strength of will has always meant more to me in the end than the pleasurable habits I gave up. I believe that a man can and should stop any habit he recognizes to be “foolish.”
–Nikola Tesla


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C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know."

"I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung

Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti

"All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]


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