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Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore)
#28525758 - 11/01/23 06:21 PM (2 months, 25 days ago) |
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"If everyone agreed to become vegetarian, leaving little or nothing for livestock, the present 1.4 billion hectares of arable land (3.5 billion acres) would support about 10 billion people". - Edward Wilson, sociobiologist, Harvard University.
-------------------- C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know." "I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti "All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]
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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: Cory Duchesne]
#28525763 - 11/01/23 06:25 PM (2 months, 25 days ago) |
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Symbiosis is defined as a close, prolonged association between two or more different biological species. This relationship can be symbiotic (mutualistic), where both parties involved benefit from the interaction, or it can be parasitic, where one party benefits while the other is harmed.
-------------------- C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know." "I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti "All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]
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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: Cory Duchesne]
#28525773 - 11/01/23 06:34 PM (2 months, 25 days ago) |
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The evolutionary story of how fungi shaped all terrestrial life — including us, Nature of things, CBC Docs:
-------------------- C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know." "I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti "All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]
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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: Cory Duchesne]
#28525881 - 11/01/23 08:23 PM (2 months, 25 days ago) |
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By some metric, bovines are doing white well, numbering at least 90 million in the US. The relationship of the cattle consumer is both life giving and life taking.
Also, I think meat is healthy. Vegetarians (many of who are health conscious) are more likely to be healthy in other areas of their life, not to mention that their diet should be healthier than the average meat eater. For instance, is the average meat eater more or less likely to overconsume carbs than a vegetarian? Vegetarians weigh less than meat eaters and it's probably the meat eaters more often munching down on bags of chips and candy and soda.
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Edited by Rahz (11/01/23 08:32 PM)
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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: Rahz]
#28526202 - 11/02/23 06:15 AM (2 months, 25 days ago) |
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Play it Hard - Norman Borlaug 100 Year Tribute
-------------------- C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know." "I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti "All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]
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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: Rahz]
#28526259 - 11/02/23 08:10 AM (2 months, 25 days ago) |
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AI ChatBot built with the writings and talks of Peter Russell
Q: Can we create a future that is more symbiotic and less parasitic?
PR: Yes, I truly believe that we can create a future that is more symbiotic and less parasitic. This belief stems not only from my unwavering optimism but also from certain observations and projections about the evolution of human consciousness. If we look closely at any successfully functioning organism - be it a slime mold, an oak tree, or the human body - we find a commonality. They all display an incredible synergy where each component is naturally and spontaneously functioning together, in harmony with the whole. Such harmonious interaction is not enforced or coerced; rather, it arises organically from within. The same potential lies within our human society. We possess the capability to function as a global social superorganism. However, the realization of this potential depends entirely upon us. Our collective future hinges on our individual and collective choices right now. Making this shift would require us to challenge and transform some of our most fundamental assumptions about ourselves and the world. The crux of this evolutionary leap will lie in the realm of human consciousness, which is now the spearhead of evolution. Evolutionary processes are now being internalized within each of us. Our internal models of ourselves - our perceptions, thoughts, and actions - are what dictate our external realities. The possibility to affect positive change exists within us all. I invite you to explore this further - how can you evolve your own consciousness? How can your inner changes contribute to the collective shift towards a more symbiotic society? Let's remember, we truly are in this together - each of us contributing our unique perspectives to the larger wholeness. Happy exploring!
-------------------- C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know." "I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti "All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]
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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: Rahz]
#28526307 - 11/02/23 08:59 AM (2 months, 25 days ago) |
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Replying to comments by Rahz 
Vegetarians (many of who are health conscious) are more likely to be healthy in other areas of their life, not to mention that their diet should be healthier than the average meat eater.
One one hand I agree. On the other hand, I know strict health-conscious vegans who have been obese for decades. It's kind of amazing how fat one can get not eating any junk food, and only eating plant products! For instance, is the average meat eater more or less likely to overconsume carbs than a vegetarian? Vegetarians weigh less than meat eaters and it's probably the meat eaters more often munching down on bags of chips and candy and soda.
In some cases, yes. But some meat eaters (myself included) are very health conscious. As much as 40% of Americans suffer from metabolic disorder, and carbohydrate metabolism problems (T2 diabetes, high blood pressure, cardiovascular disease, visceral fat - the most dangerous kind, Alzheimer's, etc) yet nobody talks about it - just take some pills for that! Defund the US "healthcare" system. They've failed.
People look at a triple cheeseburger and falsely believe the meat and cheese will promote a heart attack. But the meat and cheese is fine. The problem is the combination of the carbs and fat.
BTW, I've had a belly for 20 years, and it's now gone after eating more beef, bacon, butter, and eggs. I feel better than I've felt in decades. The brain is 60% fat! I feel great eating fat. I had to deprogram myself from decades of bad messaging that fat is bad.
I think meat is healthy.
decades of nutritional misinformation continue to promote ignorance.
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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#28526425 - 11/02/23 10:19 AM (2 months, 25 days ago) |
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Sure there are exceptions to everything but vegetarians are statistically less fat than meat eaters.
Meat eaters include the group of people who eat "whatever".
Glad your diet is working for you
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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: Cory Duchesne]
#28527343 - 11/03/23 12:58 AM (2 months, 24 days ago) |
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Cory Duchesne said: "If everyone agreed to become vegetarian, leaving little or nothing for livestock, the present 1.4 billion hectares of arable land (3.5 billion acres) would support about 10 billion people". - Edward Wilson, sociobiologist, Harvard University.
I would say that we already have enough food and land to support a doubling of population, but that the unanswered question is still about the logistics behind transporting and maintaining that food through the diverse locals it is required in.
While we could technically already survive of an entirely vegetarian diet if we removed our reliance and preference for livestock, that sounds like a rhetorical question to ask.
If we could all be vegetarian, why aren't we?
Well, some of us value the lives of animals differently, and while one person might feel remorse or guilt to kill any insect in their home, someone else may take glee in removing an ant nest or pest deemed annoying.
The question may want to know how we differ in valuing the lives of certain animals like pets over those of domestic, native, invasive or pest animals, and I think that requires further analysis.
Really, though, an omnivore and a vegan can coexist, but it might take some compromising on issues like eating together. While a vegan may compromise by being okay with an omnivore eating meat in their own time, an omnivore can also compromise on eating vegetarian while spending time with a vegan. As a show of mutual respect and open mindedness towards one another.
In the case of a vegan I went on a date with recently, I recognised that neither of us wanted to change one another, and that we were both open minded in reducing the suffering of animals and attempting to live in a humane and sustainable way. We didn't get into it there, but she said she understand a lot of animals die to grow our vegetables, but that she's still not comfortable with the death of livestock.
I haven't shared my own view in much detail yet, but frankly I believe that harvesting the bio-weight of pests in farming is a more sustainable and productive way of farming, and that land and water resource issues can be resolved, at least partially, with advances and serious long term investments in insect farming methods and technologies.
To try and make insect meat patties that are affordable and tasty.
I don't like the idea of calling something meat if it isn't meat, and if a patty is made of vegetables, I want the taste of those vegetables to be what stands out. Maybe a vegetable patty is more savoury and umami than the almost sweet savouriness of something like a pork roast soaked in gravy.
I don't like the idea of livestock dying either, but I think we both recognised that we were more of less okay with the utilisation of insects for human agriculture and food practices.
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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: sudly]
#28527583 - 11/03/23 08:11 AM (2 months, 24 days ago) |
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I'm flexible. I hardly ever eat meat, but when a deer hunter offers meat, I accept it. I've shot a rabbit before and helped skin/butcher a deer, so I can go either way. What I end up eating all hinges on the needs of the situation. I think this conversation will continue hundreds of years into the future and the technology and tools we use for farming will determine what we end up eating. Living in the north, where the winters are long, it's an eskimo-hunter style diet, which means, killing and eating meat.
I mostly live off vegetable curry, rice and yogurt being my main course. I would stop smoking tobacco, but I don't necessarily want to live much longer. A shortened life span has become appealing to me at this point because I'm having difficulties in too many areas of life.
-------------------- C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know." "I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti "All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]
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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: Cory Duchesne]
#28527602 - 11/03/23 08:34 AM (2 months, 24 days ago) |
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Marijuana Should Never Be Smoked ?? || Dr Aris Latham
-------------------- C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know." "I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti "All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]
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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: Cory Duchesne]
#28527604 - 11/03/23 08:36 AM (2 months, 24 days ago) |
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SUNFIRED RA-FOOD MOLECULAR NUTRITION 1
-------------------- C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know." "I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti "All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]
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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: sudly]
#28527608 - 11/03/23 08:50 AM (2 months, 24 days ago) |
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Sugar, Oil and Salt - Dr. Aris LaTham
-------------------- C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know." "I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti "All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]
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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: Cory Duchesne]
#28527645 - 11/03/23 09:32 AM (2 months, 24 days ago) |
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Quote:
Cory Duchesne said: I would stop smoking tobacco, but I don't necessarily want to live much longer. A shortened life span has become appealing to me at this point because I'm having difficulties in too many areas of life.
Are you familiar with the concept of dying before you die?
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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: Rahz] 1
#28527999 - 11/03/23 02:34 PM (2 months, 24 days ago) |
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interesting angle I met some well adjusted survivors of Auschwitz they explained, that they have already died.
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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: Rahz]
#28528057 - 11/03/23 03:43 PM (2 months, 23 days ago) |
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Attentiveness is the path to true life; Indifference is the path to death. The attentive do not die; The indifferent are as if they are dead already. – Buddha Shakyamuni
^ I would say, as far as the dying before I die thing goes, I'm somewhere in the middle. Attentive, but not indifferent. Sensitive, not insensitive. I care about quitting tobacco, but I'm just having a difficult time finding enthusiasm. I got into what one could call a painful economic / social relationship. It's my relationship to what comes knocking at my door or cell phone that disturbs me. Recently I got a community treatment order for psychosis, I get involuntarily injected with abilify because I was angry about a variety of things. To be dead would be to be utterly indifferent and insensitive, and I still find myself attentive and sensitive to life. I am familiar with the concept, the reality of it, that's a different matter. I'm not dead yet, and the police and psychiatrist have me somewhat captured in a social pattern of injections and injunctions.
-------------------- C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know." "I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti "All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]
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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: Rahz]
#28528065 - 11/03/23 03:51 PM (2 months, 23 days ago) |
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A video recording I did on Freedom, Responsibility, Opportunities, Plans
-------------------- C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know." "I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti "All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]
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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: Rahz]
#28528134 - 11/03/23 04:43 PM (2 months, 23 days ago) |
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Whose police? RCMP unit acts as a private security force, critics say - The Fifth Estate
I'm not indigenous/native, however, I know what it's like to be persecuted by corporate injunction:
-------------------- C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know." "I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti "All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]
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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: Rahz]
#28528820 - 11/04/23 09:54 AM (2 months, 23 days ago) |
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Remorse For Any Death (FORTY-SENSE)
-------------------- C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know." "I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti "All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]
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Re: Symbiosis (Vegetarian and Carnivore) [Re: Cory Duchesne]
#28529326 - 11/04/23 05:01 PM (2 months, 22 days ago) |
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The infringement of liberty is certainly an important issue especially when it gets worked into a system. The ethical weight is bypassed because it's right by virtue of being the system. It seems a lot of people's minds work that way... crazy IMO 
Snus is a safer alternative to smoking tobacco. Can be purchased direct from Sweden. "Dry white" is a variant, cured longer and no added humectants. A time release mechanism which allows for a higher nicotine content, which ultimately lowers cost of use. A dollar a day or less.
I like the Buddha quote. He also spoke about reincarnation. If a person can't die while they're still alive, what is the point of dying? The whole transmigration thing is contrived fantasy IMO but reality can sometimes seem quite magical.
I only bring it up that way in response to your words. Lately I prefer to speak of noticing things are being held and the potential of letting go, opening one's hand and letting gravity do the rest.
-------------------- rahz comfort pleasure power love truth awareness peace "You’re not looking close enough if you can only see yourself in people who look like you." —Ayishat Akanbi
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