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InvisibleSwami
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Inherently Evil Music
    #2852237 - 07/02/04 05:19 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

My main hobby is sound design and synthesis. I was checking out a new virtual instrument and was surprised to see this disclaimer on this web page:
Please don't use this program to make music that is against God and Jesus Christ (eg. HeavyMetal, NewAge,..etc..). Realize that the only way to the Salvation is Jesus Christ. Please don't lose this chance and don't make others to lose it!


WTF?! If I do lovely New Age swirling, pulsing ambient pads, then I am going to hell? Christ hates filter sweeps, soulful strings and haunting flutes?

Please pray for my immortal soul, cuz here goes another one... *Swami warms up synth and recorder and sparks a bowl*

Edited by Swami (07/02/04 05:52 PM)

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Re: Inherently Evil Music [Re: Swami]
    #2852244 - 07/02/04 05:22 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

when i think of evil music, I think of fascist metal bands like Slayer and Stormtroopers of Death.

but I like those bands

I guess evil music is OK in small doses. as long as its not your only perspective. the key is balance, I suppose

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Re: Inherently Evil Music [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2852258 - 07/02/04 05:35 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

The only possible aspect of music that can possibly be evil is the words. I do not agree with lyrics (but would not censor) advocating violence or demeaming specific groups. Distortion, grunge, saturation and screeching feedback may not be everyone's ear candy, but is hardly satanic.

Note: the author of the website in question needs some serious deprogramming.


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Re: Inherently Evil Music [Re: Swami]
    #2852312 - 07/02/04 06:06 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

there's only a handful of truly evil bands, the likes of slayer and deicide.
which.. coincidentally.. thoroughly enjoy ripping christians apart in their lyrics..among other things. If christianity didn't exist.. I don't know what they would sing about. Thank god for the christians inspiring death metal with their dogmatic slinging. But aside from a few exceptions, generalizing 'heavy metal' or 'new age' 'etc' as against jesus or christ is recockulous.

I suggest we put the subject in a darkened room on mushrooms with Nevermore playing in loop.. that oughta do it.

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Re: Inherently Evil Music [Re: Swami]
    #2852324 - 07/02/04 06:11 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

did you use the program? how was it?


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Re: Inherently Evil Music [Re: Zero7a1]
    #2852356 - 07/02/04 06:29 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

You think I would go against the developer's wishes and play pleasant background music?  :eek: Isn't that being selfish and unethical?


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Re: Inherently Evil Music [Re: Swami]
    #2852386 - 07/02/04 06:45 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Hes just a jesus freak, he doesnt realize that you cant really utilize the greatest potential of the program unless you are aligned with good!

So... is the program very well designed? Have you used the frooty loops before?


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Re: Inherently Evil Music [Re: Zero7a1]
    #2852396 - 07/02/04 06:51 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Haven't checked it out yet. Can't use it as a plug-in.

Played with Fruity Loops and settled on Orion Platinum.

I wonder what instrument Jesus played?


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Re: Inherently Evil Music [Re: Swami]
    #2852465 - 07/02/04 07:38 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

That is the biggest load of nonsense I have heard of since I saw the christian linux distro...Jesix.

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Re: Inherently Evil Music [Re: Swami]
    #2852468 - 07/02/04 07:41 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

I guess he doesnt care too much about "creative spirit".

Hes from Romania... no wonder  :smirk: .

Jesus probably played the drumbs... or maybe he didnt play music at all.


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Re: Inherently Evil Music [Re: Zero7a1]
    #2852472 - 07/02/04 07:44 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

I'm almost certain that Jesus played the tuba.

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Re: Inherently Evil Music [Re: Oddish]
    #2852581 - 07/02/04 08:51 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

or maybe a rusty trombone?

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Re: Inherently Evil Music [Re: mr crisper]
    #2852677 - 07/02/04 09:57 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

mr crisper said:
or maybe a rusty trombone?




Either way - Jesus the Christ, the critical foundation of the local high school marching band's brass section. No one could stir up those fans at the football games like Jesus could.

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Re: Inherently Evil Music [Re: Oddish]
    #2852724 - 07/02/04 10:13 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

I'm almost certain that Jesus played the tuba.





That would definately explain how he was able to lug that heavy cross around.

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Re: Inherently Evil Music [Re: Swami]
    #2852739 - 07/02/04 10:27 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

WTF?! If I do lovely New Age swirling, pulsing ambient pads, then I am going to hell? Christ hates filter sweeps, soulful strings and haunting flutes?

Why do you continue to humor religious fundamentalists? You're obviously more intelligent than that - and them.  :heart:


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Re: Inherently Evil Music [Re: Swami]
    #2852780 - 07/02/04 10:57 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Many Christians do seem to prescribe rigid boundaries in all areas of life, even where those boundaries don't apply- like music. It would be interesting to see the demographic breakdown for what percentage of Christians follow various types of music. I'm betting that free form jazz ain't too popular with the Holy Rollers.

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Re: Inherently Evil Music [Re: zorbman]
    #2852811 - 07/02/04 11:11 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

What I'm focused on is how the jesus freak is categorizing two WHOLE genre's of music as evil.

I know some music artists ARE evil, and have horrible intentions. How do I know? Because there are so many , and music is a VERY powerful tool to control and manipulate.

However, we are talking about individual artists, not genres of music?

Especially New age!?

Yea....like there is anything evil about a whole soundtrack of thunderstorm sounds

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Re: Inherently Evil Music [Re: tekramrepus]
    #2853119 - 07/03/04 02:07 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

My dad threw out all my CD's when I was a teenager because they were "new age."

Then I bought another one and made him sit down and listen to the music without telling him it was new age, and he loved it. He was quite shocked when I informed him that yes, it was indeed new age music. :p

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Re: Inherently Evil Music [Re: Swami]
    #2853190 - 07/03/04 02:40 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Evil bands don't exist, nor does evil music. That's just a phrase to make it sound much scarier, but nothing can be truely evil or good

However, I would say people like Burzum, Mayhem and Emperor and more "evil" than Slayer and Deicide, who, to my knowledge, hasn't even burned down their first church or killed their first person (n00bs.) The former has better music too


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Re: Inherently Evil Music [Re: Ravus]
    #2853393 - 07/03/04 05:30 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Preachers will stick their foot in everywhere to try and make us sinners repent. Christianity is like a virus, it infects someone and then they try to spread it around.


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Re: Inherently Evil Music [Re: Ravus]
    #2853695 - 07/03/04 10:22 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

I think there exists something like evil music, and some metal bands come close to it.

I used to listen to Death Metal and Black Metal, hard stuff like the before mentioned Burzum, Mayhem and Emperor, and the bad vibes of their music really influenced me for a while, I really felt that they express some anger and evil intent  :mad2:. I listened to Cannibal Corpse, I read their lyrics in the net(it is a bit hard to get them just from listening  :wink: ), and I sometimes was disgusted by the lyrics content of mutilations, and the brutal distortions of the music itself.

I have to mentions, however, that there are some evil poseurs, like Slayer, or more recently Marilyn Manson, who are not really evil, but have this image with commercial goals. The psychos from Norway may also have mercantile interests, but when some of them kill people and burn churches their claims of evilness become more real , muahhaha

Doom Metal was also another past favorite, Skepticism is such a heavy band that even listening to it a bit may bring me in a slight depression  :eek: ,  the slow pulsating bass of their songs just drags me down.

In contrast, now  I try to live differently, and I listen mainly to electronic, ambient new age stuff. For example, Shpongle is more warm and friendly than Slayer, I guess that every independant observer who listens a bit to both without any preknowledge, will correctly classify which is more evil  :cool:

But than again, everything is on one's head and experience is subjective, but the music itself also influences the experience and some emotions are more probable with some sorts of music.

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Re: Inherently Evil Music [Re: MOTH]
    #2853862 - 07/03/04 11:50 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

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EllemyshShade said:
My dad threw out all my CD's when I was a teenager because they were "new age." 

Then I bought another one and made him sit down and listen to the music without telling him it was new age, and he loved it.  He was quite shocked when I informed him that yes, it was indeed new age music.  :p




Very cool story :smile: Was he ok about it afterwards?


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Re: Inherently Evil Music [Re: Swami]
    #2854906 - 07/03/04 09:25 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

coming from experience, that is quite possibly one of the funniest things i've ever seen

could someone please define evil for me?

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Re: Inherently Evil Music [Re: xfluffybunnyx]
    #2855250 - 07/04/04 12:46 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

"could someone please define evil for me? "

I guess it is whatever works for the individual. Happy questing.

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Re: Inherently Evil Music [Re: teen]
    #2855404 - 07/04/04 01:46 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

"Preachers will stick their foot in everywhere to try and make us sinners repent

So true...I guess I'll go to Hell. You know there will be good company with beautiful background music(all that cool new age stuff). Can't be that bad...all the people in Heaven will be all snooty and look down on their noses at us...but we won't be bored at least.

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Re: Inherently Evil Music [Re: Swami]
    #2856013 - 07/04/04 10:26 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)


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Re: Inherently Evil Music [Re: mr crisper]
    #2856037 - 07/04/04 10:45 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

is it an evil synth






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Re: Inherently Evil Music [Re: Muppet]
    #2857022 - 07/04/04 07:32 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

from the p.o.v of the good christian, whom swami referred to at the start of this thread - yes. robert monroe's books are an enjoyable light read, i'm sure his $3000 weekend retreats are mucho fun too.

$5000 for what i'm sure is no more than a couple of frequency generators, about $40 worth of parts.......theres nothing magical in that box. imo its just a rip-off, mebbe ol bob himself is short on the readies and flogging it.

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Re: Inherently Evil Music [Re: mr crisper]
    #2859433 - 07/05/04 05:43 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

"initiated space contact"
finally the vessel i've been waiting for!

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Re: Inherently Evil Music [Re: mr crisper]
    #2859453 - 07/05/04 05:51 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

I don't know if Robert Monroe is telling the truth, but his first book is a hell of a read.

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Re: Inherently Evil Music [Re: teen]
    #2859835 - 07/05/04 08:55 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

The only Evil Music I know. Is Nysnc and Good Charollete. Those bands pray off of little kids and steal their money for there horrible music.

(Ive noticed alot of people have Alex Gray avatars...are any of you fans of Tool? )

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Re: Inherently Evil Music [Re: LthirdSeyeD]
    #2861296 - 07/06/04 11:49 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

I'd say quite a few of us are Tool fans.

btw, anyone a member of the Tool Army? Is it worth it? Good community?


New Age is just a financial threat to the donations and income of Christian churches and institutions. Oh and maybe all that conflicting belief shit...


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Re: Inherently Evil Music [Re: Blastrid]
    #2861346 - 07/06/04 12:07 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

sorry about being off-topic . . .

but i'm a member of ToolArmy, and i hate to say it, but it's not that great. if you do throw down for a membership get the cheapest one. they rarely update the website, and the message boards are a clusterfuck . . .

anyway . . . back to 'evil' music.


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Re: Inherently Evil Music [Re: LthirdSeyeD]
    #2861412 - 07/06/04 12:33 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

LthirdSeyeD said:
The only Evil Music I know. Is Nysnc and Good Charollete.




I don't really buy this war in heaven stuff. But if you follow the reasoning that the fallen wish to bring about the fall of civilization, they just have to keep lowering the standard.

So I would say that these talentless, corporate manufactured bands definitely are 'evil'.

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Re: Inherently Evil Music - > swami sound synthesis [Re: Swami]
    #2861435 - 07/06/04 12:48 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

I just dipped into this thread to see what the fuss was
but found out you are interested in sound synthesis.

I sold my moog 3-p
I miss the whole thing

what do you do for synthesis on the computer, and is there a vocoder too.

Edited by redgreenvines (07/06/04 12:49 PM)

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Re: Inherently Evil Music [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #2861514 - 07/06/04 01:26 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

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Huehuecoyotl said:
That is the biggest load of nonsense I have heard of since I saw the christian linux distro...Jesix.




I was about to make one of those, damn !!!!!!!!!!
I'll make a better one and call it Christix then :stoned:

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Re: Inherently Evil Music [Re: Zero7a1]
    #2861559 - 07/06/04 01:54 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

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Zero7a1 said:
Hes just a jesus freak




I like "jesus freak", i reminds me of judas priest or something.
Heh, it would make a good name for a band.
Regarding evil bands, well yes i have to agree with some of you about Cannibal Corpse or Deicide. I really liked that music when i was 10 years younger but i really never was into that "Armies of darkness unite, destroy their churches and temples with fire, kill the christians" kind of lyrics.
Well, i had some more energy then, i guess i'll have to eat more candies and smoke less hash.
Btw, i recently went to a concert featuring Static X and Korn, first time i saw them alive but they really gave me some energy, could have been the booze though...

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Re: Inherently Evil Music [Re: MAIA]
    #2862606 - 07/06/04 07:49 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

You can't go and strike the word "daemon" from the Linux vocabulary no matter how much you love Jesus.

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Re: Inherently Evil Music [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #2863749 - 07/07/04 02:26 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

I heard Danny Carey of Tool deliberately summoned Anokian(sp?) demons through his drumset for the song 'Ticks & Leeches' on their last album. I guess he is into occult stuff like that.

Anyone know more about this or was that just a joke?

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Re: Inherently Evil Music [Re: Blastrid]
    #2863757 - 07/07/04 02:29 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Blastrid said:

btw, anyone a member of the Tool Army? Is it worth it? Good community?




it's worth it for the inside connexions.

the FACT that the Power behind some of TOOL's music,
is due to Danny's evokation of PAIMON,
who is an Astral Reptilian (read:satanic) Warrior Godform,

tells me that Evil Music = Good Music.

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Re: Inherently Evil Music [Re: Grav]
    #2863765 - 07/07/04 02:34 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

we both posted about Danny @ once. far out.

yes, Danny is a Masonic Initiate.

the other guys are pretty quiet about it...

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Re: Inherently Evil Music [Re: Middleman]
    #2863768 - 07/07/04 02:38 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

danny is a masonic initiate?

sourcE?


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Re: Inherently Evil Music [Re: Swami]
    #2864349 - 07/07/04 09:48 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

The only evil in existance is ignorance.


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Re: Inherently Evil Music [Re: eve69]
    #2864357 - 07/07/04 09:51 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

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eve69 said:
The only evil in existance is ignorance.




And ignornace isn't even evil. :grin:

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Re: Inherently Evil Music [Re: Swami]
    #2864549 - 07/07/04 10:42 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

When I was in my early 20s, someone convinced me to throw out all my "evil" music. Tull, Clapton, Pink Floyd, etc. (70s stuff, mostly.)

I so regret having done that, now. Evil is in the mind of the beholder, or something like that. What might be evil and "sin" for one may not necessarily be evil and sin for another. I can listen to an album containing lyrics that are evil, but I'm not going to act on it. To me, it's art, even if a form of evil art, in the lyrics themselves.

Would Jesus listen to bands that Fundamentalist Christians claim are evil, if he was here?


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