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Are a Hero Complex and Desire to Harm Others the Same Thing?
    #28521944 - 10/29/23 04:32 AM (2 months, 29 days ago)

I've done Amazon Flex for a couple years now when I need extra cash. I've been carjacked at gunpoint but what happened last night was almost more disturbing.
It's 8:30ish at night and I'm dropping a package at someone's townhouse. I have a bright blue reflective vest and obviously just took a picture of a package. I hear someone behind me trying to get my attention. I turn around and dude has a 9mm pointed directly at me with a blinding flashlight attachment. He's not trying to watch me, he's trying to be some kind of hero.

He asks what I'm doing and I say with "duh, stupid" tone, "delivering Amazon..." He keeps the gun pointed at me and suggests that I'm lying, that Amazon doesn't deliver so late. I offer to show him the app on my phone and he tells me he doesn't want me "anywhere fucking near" him. Dude keeps the gun pointed at me as I walk back to my car.

I'm partially just venting, but it got me thinking. I concealed carry and have never pulled a gun on anyone (nor gotten close). He's clearly a little unhinged to think it appropriate to aim a gun at my back when I am posing 0 threat, but he didn't strike me as a paranoid psychotic. He seemed more like he was just so desperate to shoot me and/or be a hero that he was willing to ignore the obvious signs that I was just a delivery man doing a legitimate delivery.

What's your take?


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Re: Are a Hero Complex and Desire to Harm Others the Same Thing? [Re: Darwin23]
    #28521980 - 10/29/23 06:59 AM (2 months, 29 days ago)

Could be some past experience he had to make him so paranoid. Hard to say but does seem a bit unhinged.


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Re: Are a Hero Complex and Desire to Harm Others the Same Thing? [Re: Darwin23] * 3
    #28522025 - 10/29/23 07:59 AM (2 months, 29 days ago)

guns are not healthy, having them on you for self defense is a fallacy - obviously, if you reach for your concealed carry you would be blown away.

better everyone just hands them in. everyone. and if caught with that tech face some slave labor for a week or so.

guns only provide a fair fight in a very small set of contrived circumstances.

nets and booby traps at home maybe with anaesthetic gas and auto 911 when tripped.


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Re: Are a Hero Complex and Desire to Harm Others the Same Thing? *DELETED* [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #28522046 - 10/29/23 08:22 AM (2 months, 29 days ago)

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Re: Are a Hero Complex and Desire to Harm Others the Same Thing? [Re: ButtFace]
    #28522120 - 10/29/23 09:35 AM (2 months, 29 days ago)

It is not. If no one had guns/ammunition there would be few easy kills.


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Re: Are a Hero Complex and Desire to Harm Others the Same Thing? [Re: ButtFace]
    #28522127 - 10/29/23 09:41 AM (2 months, 29 days ago)

I'll get a patent on it then butt face

may all your bullets melt in a nice bowl. Lead presents its own set of medical issues.


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Re: Are a Hero Complex and Desire to Harm Others the Same Thing? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28522138 - 10/29/23 09:49 AM (2 months, 29 days ago)

we need to have a better world
with less violence and crime

for that it could work if a few got really good

like the buddha said one moment can change a day a day can change a life a life can change the world

maybe it would only take 1000 sages

like that

you know?

it would also work if everyone got a little better

for example by studying dharma or meditating
or drawing a daily drawing


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Re: Are a Hero Complex and Desire to Harm Others the Same Thing? [Re: Pinkerton]
    #28522148 - 10/29/23 10:01 AM (2 months, 29 days ago)

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Pinkerton said:
It is not. If no one had guns/ammunition there would be few easy kills.




Not true. An individual would have almost no chance against multiple attackers.


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Re: Are a Hero Complex and Desire to Harm Others the Same Thing? [Re: Darwin23]
    #28522234 - 10/29/23 11:10 AM (2 months, 29 days ago)

yes everyone has to do their part to the best of their ability.


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Re: Are a Hero Complex and Desire to Harm Others the Same Thing? [Re: Darwin23]
    #28522302 - 10/29/23 12:33 PM (2 months, 29 days ago)

Personally. This person has been indoctrinated by right wing television. They’re convinced that everyone’s out to get them. That all of it’s a trap. And that somebody is waiting outside to kill them or steal from them.

It’s ridiculous.
You’re lucky you didn’t get shot.

Now to your point. I do feel like a lot of mass shootings. Is somebody who is attempting to have a “legacy”.
I think it’s from a lack of meaning and individuality, in a society that has made them feel meaningless.
So, in a very real sense what you’re saying in your thesis is completely true.

I don’t think that’s why that person was gonna shoot you though. I think what I said at the beginning is. They are just terrified because of the propaganda they’ve been consuming.


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Re: Are a Hero Complex and Desire to Harm Others the Same Thing? [Re: Rahz]
    #28522362 - 10/29/23 01:20 PM (2 months, 29 days ago)

Quote:

Rahz said:
Quote:

Pinkerton said:
It is not. If no one had guns/ammunition there would be few easy kills.




Not true. An individual would have almost no chance against multiple attackers.



There are many ways of looking at this and yours is rightfully one of those ways. I may have generalized too much, pardon me.

But Civilians would rarely be casualties in large scale wars. This man called Breivik would maybe have killed 1 or 2 with a sword before being overtaken.


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Re: Are a Hero Complex and Desire to Harm Others the Same Thing? [Re: Darwin23] * 1
    #28522686 - 10/29/23 05:48 PM (2 months, 28 days ago)

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Darwin23 said:
I've done Amazon Flex for a couple years now when I need extra cash. I've been carjacked at gunpoint but what happened last night was almost more disturbing.
It's 8:30ish at night and I'm dropping a package at someone's townhouse. I have a bright blue reflective vest and obviously just took a picture of a package. I hear someone behind me trying to get my attention. I turn around and dude has a 9mm pointed directly at me with a blinding flashlight attachment. He's not trying to watch me, he's trying to be some kind of hero.

He asks what I'm doing and I say with "duh, stupid" tone, "delivering Amazon..." He keeps the gun pointed at me and suggests that I'm lying, that Amazon doesn't deliver so late. I offer to show him the app on my phone and he tells me he doesn't want me "anywhere fucking near" him. Dude keeps the gun pointed at me as I walk back to my car.

I'm partially just venting, but it got me thinking. I concealed carry and have never pulled a gun on anyone (nor gotten close). He's clearly a little unhinged to think it appropriate to aim a gun at my back when I am posing 0 threat, but he didn't strike me as a paranoid psychotic. He seemed more like he was just so desperate to shoot me and/or be a hero that he was willing to ignore the obvious signs that I was just a delivery man doing a legitimate delivery.

What's your take?




My take is that it makes sense to happen in the US when everyone and anyone could be armed.

I'd arm myself on hikes for bears, but would be concerned in other places where everyone has a gun. Even in Aus, I do a second take seeing a gun on a cops holster in the city. Makes me wonder if it's been used on someone before.

For all it's worth, I love Aussie gun laws, and generally trust that they're used appropriately, not for instigation or intimidation.


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Re: Are a Hero Complex and Desire to Harm Others the Same Thing? [Re: sudly] * 1
    #28524413 - 10/31/23 09:30 AM (2 months, 27 days ago)

I'm so torn.  I feel both sides in this.


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Re: Are a Hero Complex and Desire to Harm Others the Same Thing? [Re: Darwin23]
    #28525109 - 11/01/23 03:10 AM (2 months, 26 days ago)

Depends, does a 'Hero Complex' have a strict and standard definition? If so then wouldn't that answer your question?

The desire to harm another living being...
how or in what way do you equate that to one's desire to be heroic?

The definition of the word 'Hero': "a person who is admired or idealized for courage, outstanding achievements, or noble qualities".  (/Source: Oxford Dictionary)

Perhaps being heroic, heroism, or a hero complex are not the same things in some instances; either way, it seems that simply not harming others is as close to or basically heroic (enough) as is, imho.

When I think of heroic figures, be it mythic and or historical, mind tends towards those such as MLK Jr. - while demonstrating for the greater good of the less fortunate at the time via nonviolent & peaceful protests - M. Ghandi's, Gautama/Shakyamuni Buddha, Jesus Christ, people and things in action or inaction towards a relatively wholesome, harmonious, and peaceful goal in nature.

Coupled with -

Not an - 'The Ends justify the Means' manner,
rather, a 'The means & end reflect each other in their nature' way.

That's heroic enough.

Someone behind 'enemy lines' and takes the lives of as many people as possible during a war while booking it back home to their nation & perhaps loved ones too, doesn't seem nearly as heroic, if it all - especially when compared to the likes of all manner of day to day heroic-like antics I've observed people do (or not do), oftentimes facelessly.


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Re: Are a Hero Complex and Desire to Harm Others the Same Thing? [Re: Darwin23]
    #28525410 - 11/01/23 11:20 AM (2 months, 26 days ago)

Carl Jung's take on Adolf Hitler was that Hitler had a hero complex and was the projection of a hero by the German people's.  So yes, with a hero complex there is a need to harm others.




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Re: Are a Hero Complex and Desire to Harm Others the Same Thing? [Re: Darwin23]
    #28525600 - 11/01/23 03:02 PM (2 months, 25 days ago)

Not to be flippant and nitpicky, but the person in question has a victim complex.


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