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Re: Impermanence [Re: syncro] 1
#28526990 - 11/02/23 07:07 PM (2 months, 24 days ago) |
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There was the quote of the goddess Saraswati in a translation of Vasistha's Yoga I discovered more recently - She said basically those who do dharana reasonably, which is concentration, upon passing can go wherever they like. This doesn't sound like need for physical reincarnation, though as well we may be convinced overall that it is better to do so, the implication being it is a choice.
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Re: Impermanence [Re: syncro]
#28526992 - 11/02/23 07:08 PM (2 months, 24 days ago) |
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In that case, I’m sure it’s a overtime kind of thing. This being kind of like a violent safari where you can learn a lot of things. Not some thing that everyone would want to do. But something everyone should do once in a while.
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If you are meaning dharana, it is basically introductory meditative practice. We were jumping for joy in the discovery, but, it seems too easy. What of the sanchita, mountain of karma, etc.? Though grace as well cannot be underestimated. 
Reading it again it sounds like you are meaning reincarnation. From here, nah I guess for me if not obligatory, but there are circumstances that may convince.
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#28527018 - 11/02/23 07:29 PM (2 months, 24 days ago) |
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I do believe in karma. Because I think that if you do a really bad job when you come down here. Like you failed your test. Then you need to go to remedial courses afterwards. Like going down a ladder rung of the food chain.
If you keep doing great on your test though. Then you have to go back home. Then you get to decide if you want to go back to college. At least that’s the way I think about it.
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A teacher once implied that, at times, even if one has not mastered meditation or is some great one of service etc, in love itself, due to love, they are liberated.
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Re: Impermanence [Re: syncro] 1
#28527281 - 11/02/23 11:27 PM (2 months, 24 days ago) |
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syncro said: In the afterlife library I was into for a while, essentially I think all under Spiritualism, in some of the narratives, for some individuals there was not a need to return to physical birth
It is called an Anagami in the Pali, a non-returner. He gains full enlightenment in the heavens, without the need to go back to physical existence. To become an Anagami, you have to fulfill five conditions:
1. Being free of the belief in a Self. 2. Not being attached to rituals. 3. Not having doubt. 4. Being free of sensual craving. 5. Being free of aversion.
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Re: Impermanence [Re: syncro]
#28527907 - 11/03/23 01:01 PM (2 months, 23 days ago) |
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syncro said: There was the quote of the goddess Saraswati in a translation of Vasistha's Yoga I discovered more recently - She said basically those who do dharana reasonably, which is concentration, upon passing can go wherever they like. This doesn't sound like need for physical reincarnation, though as well we may be convinced overall that it is better to do so, the implication being it is a choice.
Given this view, why do so many choose insect?
~80-90% of all life on the planet is an insect
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Re: Impermanence [Re: Kickle]
#28527928 - 11/03/23 01:24 PM (2 months, 23 days ago) |
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There are enough spirits ready to learn a new experience, they sign up for insect after all the other classes got filled.
“What are you taking this cycle? I’m taking advanced mammals.”😘
“Advanced beetles I guess”☹️
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The insects are nubs I guess, unconscious, one with nature but not aware of it.? Choice may come with awareness beyond nature.
I've been reading Corpus Hermeticum and more quotes from Hermes would apply to topics here if I can gather up and post some.
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Re: Impermanence [Re: syncro]
#28527970 - 11/03/23 02:16 PM (2 months, 23 days ago) |
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I think from an objective(spirit) perspective. There would be many wonderful lessons to learn from a bug. It would be a good intro course. Teach you a lot about this world. Then maybe you go up to fish.
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Does there have to be ... what do I want to say a hierarchy though?
The spider eats breakfast and the fly loses its life
I like to think that all animals "feel" like they are "human" ... or better yet , have a sense of being or awareness the exact same way as we do
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It’s not a heirarchy. It’s complexity. I wouldn’t start calculus without algebra for example.
Not that you could’nt.
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GenesisCorrupted said: There are enough spirits ready to learn a new experience, they sign up for insect after all the other classes got filled.
“What are you taking this cycle? I’m taking advanced mammals.”😘
“Advanced beetles I guess”☹️
Wouldn't it be the other way around? The insect class seems to be the one in demand.
On Earth, there are approximately 1.4 billion insects per person
1,400,000,000 : 1
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Re: Impermanence [Re: Kickle]
#28528037 - 11/03/23 03:25 PM (2 months, 23 days ago) |
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Thats why I suspect it of being an intro course with a low passing grade percent each year. 😂
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Also their life spans are so short typically. It would probably be difficult to learn very much. So you would have to take a lot of bug credits to pass.
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It just doesn't track that humans get to choose whatever, but the vast majority don't. It reeks of hubris to me. Especially considering how much killing humans do compared to your typical insect. If this is what "higher" means, the next tiers must be really ruthless.
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Re: Impermanence [Re: Kickle]
#28528048 - 11/03/23 03:34 PM (2 months, 23 days ago) |
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Who said we got to choose? There are better things than this by a long shot. IMO This is the equivalent of teenage spiritual development.
We aren’t ready for the next courses yet. But in our dreams I think we sometimes get a glimpse of one.
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Quote:
syncro said: There was the quote of the goddess Saraswati in a translation of Vasistha's Yoga I discovered more recently - She said basically those who do dharana reasonably, which is concentration, upon passing can go wherever they like. This doesn't sound like need for physical reincarnation, though as well we may be convinced overall that it is better to do so, the implication being it is a choice.
bolded for emphasis
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Re: Impermanence [Re: Kickle]
#28528054 - 11/03/23 03:42 PM (2 months, 23 days ago) |
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I am not sure, but If we do badly enough here. We probably come back until we get it right. Being able to choose does sound awesome. But I don’t know if we could skip several levels at once. Does that make sense?
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Well my take is that many views of humans are likely the result of hubris. A human, an incredibly destructive minority on the planet, gets to keep being destructive without consequence or even 'upgrade' just 'cause they are human? Talk about winning the lottery.
Powerball odds: 1 in 292.2 million Human odds: 1 in billions (on Earth)
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