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InvisibleCreonAntigone
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    #28517841 - 10/25/23 02:56 PM (3 months, 1 day ago)

1. Having tried a dissociative drug, do you think that the effect of cannabis is, to a certain extent, dissociative itself? As in, perhaps not solely dissociative, but having that as part of its action?

2. How would you compare your approach to and experience of the ineffable between these two substances, cannabis versus ketamine?


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Re: Question for solarshroomster [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28517867 - 10/25/23 03:07 PM (3 months, 1 day ago)

The reason I ask is just that: I've never tried a dissociative in the anesthetic type, like ketamine. However I do feel like cannabis, when I take a high dose, induces a kind of dissociation in me: especially a dissociation from my body. It creates a misapprehesion which is not like a hallucination, more like a falling into the body. And after a difficult period of too much intensity - sometimes lasting a while, sometimes a short time - the experience transitions into a much more euphoric, positive and bright experience, involving a less acute, more mild dissociation from overall circumstances, into the head and internal thoughts.


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Re: Question for solarshroomster [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28518331 - 10/25/23 10:17 PM (3 months, 1 day ago)

I'm gonna test this out tonight!

Is weed a dissociative?


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Re: Question for solarshroomster [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #28518332 - 10/25/23 10:18 PM (3 months, 1 day ago)

Or should I say dissociative properties.?

And what % of dissociation does it have?


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Re: Question for solarshroomster [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #28518834 - 10/26/23 11:44 AM (3 months, 20 hours ago)

Oh wow, first, I'm honored to be asked a question by someone that I think is much more spiritually advanced than I, but, in any event, here's my thoughts:

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1. Having tried a dissociative drug, do you think that the effect of cannabis is, to a certain extent, dissociative itself? As in, perhaps not solely dissociative, but having that as part of its action?





Yes, I do. The way I put it is that cannabis, shrooms, and ketamine are all different flavors of "ice cream", but they are all ultimately "ice cream". In other words, they're more similar for me than they're dissimilar. A lot of people say weed isn't psychedelic, but, honestly, if it isn't psychedelic, then I'm not sure I would consider shrooms or ketamine "psychedelic", because the effects are that similar to me.

There's a distinction that ketamine is given as a dissociative as opposed to a psychedelic. Given what I say above, I'm not sure that the technical distinction has a practical importance in my use of either entheogens.

With that said, I did get the distinct impression when I was taking ketamine that I was taking an "anesthetic" that numbed out my body. I guess I found it more to be a break from Reality, like I "broke" the rules of the game. I described this elsewhere, but it felt like my life was a jack-in-the-box, and all of the springs that were previously associated with my identity (the street I grew up in, "United States of America", my brothers, the fact that this world even has such a concept as a "brother", "music" and what it means to "hear music") -- all aspects of my identity went flying, and I felt like I saw that the self was a construction of the larger pattern of existence.

In the sense that I felt my self-concept dissolve on ketamine, I think I could say that ketamine and shrooms "make me become Ultimate Reality" versus weed "makes me see Ultimate Reality". Note, that these different versions of "seeing" Reality are not necessarily better than the "other", they are just different ways of processing Reality as Reality. Even still, there's way more overlap, and the ways of looking can be experienced in both states, even at different moments of any given ketamine / shroom / weed trip. So, they all ultimately dissolve the self in its own way and loosen our (false) identity attachment with "this body".

tl;dr: Yes, I think cannabis can have the effect of being a dissociative. It too can erase the concept of Self and the mental construction of "having-a-body-as-avatar" experience.

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2. How would you compare your approach to and experience of the ineffable between these two substances, cannabis versus ketamine?





I approach them the same way. They are both "sacred medicines" that can no doubt show you incredible things about existence if they are treated with respect. The experience of the ineffable is essentially identical, as the trips blend into one another... I get cannabis / shroom flashbacks in ketamine trips, ketamine / cannabis flashbacks in shroom trips, and shroom / cannabis flashbacks in weed trips. Again, much more similar than dissimilar for me.

The only defining thing for me is that, regardless of which substance I take, the most recent trip I take is always more profound than the last.


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