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Amanita Muscaria/Pantherina with Psilocybin? 1
#28518296 - 10/25/23 09:36 PM (3 months, 1 day ago) |
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Greetings mycelial/hive mind,
Anybody recently decarbed IBO:MUS and ingested simultaneously with psilocybin? Have been having some serious journeys...lucid dream/vision-ing with muscaria and pantherinas. tis the season...don't know why so many people have bad experiences? not decarbing or drinking maybe?...Also, why do people think they're not psycheldelic? (try to change my mind LOL) they are...just, differently...i've not used them in combination with psilocin. Any recent reports? cautionary tales? stories of misspent youth?
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Re: Amanita Muscaria/Pantherina with Psilocybin? [Re: Jim I.T.I] 1
#28518306 - 10/25/23 09:50 PM (3 months, 1 day ago) |
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People really don't like amanitas. Mycophobia is an interesting and completely irrational phenomenon, and it is very strong with this particular mushroom.
There is a youtuber called Amanitadreamer that has a video about combining the two. She says you can either use amanitas as a trip killer or a relaxer afterward, but they don't work together at the same time.
Edited by ShiroiTora (10/25/23 10:03 PM)
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Re: Amanita Muscaria/Pantherina with Psilocybin? [Re: ShiroiTora]
#28518326 - 10/25/23 10:14 PM (3 months, 1 day ago) |
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I am familiar with A.Dreamer but haven't seen that video. i'll look it up. i have been experimenting with IBO/MUS for months now. I don't know why so many people have such horrible reports and fear around amanita. it has been every bit as psychedelic in my experience as cubes...but in very different ways. I love them every bit as much as psilocybe.
i've yet to combine them but i'm very curious as to how they interact. i'm part of another group that is 100% amanita champions with people claiming it's incredible. so, thought i'd ask hear as i started my fungal journey here.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria/Pantherina with Psilocybin? [Re: Jim I.T.I]
#28518475 - 10/26/23 03:33 AM (3 months, 1 day ago) |
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Literally the first time I’ve ever heard anyone describe them as being psychedelic…
I tried them years ago and had an experience that I would describe as sedating, hypnotic, dizzying and slightly dreamy. They also made me nauseous and I threw up about an hour or two into it, I can’t really remember. Only this and alcohol have ever made me throw up.
I don’t really remember feeling good at any point or having any interesting thoughts either. All in all it wasn’t a very memorable experience. Maybe I did something wrong in preparation or didn’t have enough… but I’d be very worried about how sick I’d be if I did more.
Could you describe or provide a link to a solid decarboxylation method that you know works?
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Re: Amanita Muscaria/Pantherina with Psilocybin? [Re: Bardy]
#28518517 - 10/26/23 05:29 AM (3 months, 1 day ago) |
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This is one of those topics that has weird answer of...it varies.
with Amanita i believe it needs to get into your system and you have to work with it for it to work with you. and it's probably not for everyone.
i've read so many reports of people puking. IME, its the Ibotenic acid in higher quantities that start to bring on nausea. to start, try .5g just dried (higher IBO). for decarbing and making tea (higher Muscimol) you could start with like 2g. with both you'll need to titrate you doses. dry i would only recommend going up .5g at a time. tea you could increase by a gram or two until you get to 5-10g. i've gone up to 18g tea as my upper macro dose tea.
you can do a 20min low ph simmer between 190-200F and get decent decarb and learn the ropes for the lower to mid dose teas. for a macro dose i'd recommend a 3hr low ph simmer. this will nearly be a full decarb. if you make a bunch, separate and freeze it in a manner that lets you calculate each dose, like use 8 grams of dry material in your simmer and evenly fill 8 cubes in an ice tray. then you know each ice cube is 1g approx.
one of the biggest warnings i put out is that alcohol and muscimol are GABA agonists. if you mix the two especially in higher doses it can make you sick or worse. i advise not using alcohol with amanita at all until you have a relationship with it.
but yeah, psychedelic, it is a time warping, dissociative that can go into lucid dreams and visions. it's not going to make you see patterns and colors like cubes and cactus but what happens is deep as hell if you build up to your dose.
also, i've pushed the limits to where i felt a little nauseated but i've never puked on amanita. just take it slow and learn it's effects and you'll be rewarded.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria/Pantherina with Psilocybin? [Re: ShiroiTora]
#28521004 - 10/28/23 10:42 AM (2 months, 29 days ago) |
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Quote:
ShiroiTora said: People really don't like amanitas. Mycophobia is an interesting and completely irrational phenomenon, and it is very strong with this particular mushroom.
To be fair amanita does house some of the most poisonous mushrooms in NA, but amanita muscaria is probably the easiest of the amanitas to identify. Maybe someone could confuse death caps with them (Amanita phalloides) but they really look nothing alike especially when mature.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria/Pantherina with Psilocybin? [Re: Kroxx] 1
#28521576 - 10/28/23 07:41 PM (2 months, 29 days ago) |
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Yeah, I don’t chalk it up to mycophobia either. There is good reason why people don’t like Amanita muscaria and other muscaroids.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria/Pantherina with Psilocybin? [Re: Bardy]
#28548474 - 11/18/23 08:32 PM (2 months, 8 days ago) |
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i think people who don't like them haven't been properly prepared themselves, didn't decarboxylate macro doses, or included alcohol or some combination of all three to have a bad time. there's so many horror story trip reports out there because of this.
theres also a belief by some out there that Ibotenic acid causes brain lesions due to a report/study in circulation that states so. however if you read the report, Ibotenic acid was being injected directly into mice/chimp brains. i prefer oral ingestion 
ive worked with AM for a while now and think that they're incredible. they just take a bit more education and preparation.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria/Pantherina with Psilocybin? [Re: Jim I.T.I]
#28548540 - 11/18/23 09:49 PM (2 months, 8 days ago) |
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I remember drying my caps in the oven for quite a while on a lowish temp… was an old crappy oven so couldn’t be sure what the exact temp was. I had the door slightly cracked.
I think I powdered them once cracker dry and ate a smallish dose.
Like I said, it was a slightly dizzy, dreamy but mainly nauseating experience. Threw up everything in my guts about an hour after eating them lol. Didn’t feel like a great thing and made me throw it all out not wanting to try again.
Is there anything that I obviously did wrong from what I described?
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Re: Amanita Muscaria/Pantherina with Psilocybin? [Re: Bardy]
#28550376 - 11/20/23 02:08 PM (2 months, 6 days ago) |
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drying them really doesn't decarboxylate the Ibotenic acid into Muscimol...i mean a little, but it requires a low PH simmer to decarb for a higher dose.i only eat the material and dry for a daytime energy. ibotenic acid is like adhd meds and gives me energy and focus. but you cant have it in high doses without conditioning yourself to it. or it makes you puke.
the first time i titrated my dosage from .5g dry, just ate it..added about .25g until i got to around 1g. then started making teas. i would do a low ph simmer for 20 min with up to about 5g, but at 5g for only 20 min, there's still a high IBO content. so, maybe like 60:40 Ibo:Mus for a real macrodose and journey i highly recommend the 3hr low ph simmer, approx 190-200F. with a lid. I've pushed the upper limits of not fully decarbing (the 20min simmer) which is about 5-10g for me. 10 has some nausea. but really, doing 10+g i would do the 3hr simmer. and if it's amanita pantherina, then only like 3-4g max as they're about 5xs stronger than muscaria. sometimes more.
but i am telling ya i've had some real vision time distortion out of body psychedelic experiences with amanita. totally different than cubes but totally psychedelic. I have never ever puked on them. and i've consumed a lot of amanita 
i think it takes time working with them, intent and respect. but they will blow your mind if you get to know them my friend.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria/Pantherina with Psilocybin? [Re: Jim I.T.I]
#28550466 - 11/20/23 03:29 PM (2 months, 6 days ago) |
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Yeah, I should’ve definitely made a tea from them… damn. Haha
Might try them again one day but I’m currently in an area of the world where they’re tightly restricted and they don’t grow where I live.. too hot.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria/Pantherina with Psilocybin? [Re: Jim I.T.I]
#28550494 - 11/20/23 03:59 PM (2 months, 6 days ago) |
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I made a batch of tea. I’m about to enjoy a cup.
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Omg. If we’re talking about decarboxylation. I feel like I just took a sip of pure lemon juice. 🤣
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ha ha, how did it go? I don't like the lemon taste in my tea either. so i tend to let it simmer down and just have a shot or two.
had you had amanita before? was it muscaria? pantherina or regalis? how much did you put in your tea?
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Re: Amanita Muscaria/Pantherina with Psilocybin? [Re: Jim I.T.I]
#28558467 - 11/27/23 03:05 PM (1 month, 30 days ago) |
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i actually tried some amanita muscaria with cubes last week. one of two things happened. first my cubes were mazatapecs that had been sealed in a jar for a year. i think they were from a 3rd flush and i know they weren't as strong as other grows. that said, i made a lemon tek tea out of 9g. my plan was to sip it till i felt it. sooner i felt it the stronger it was. at 30 min it was coming on so i stopped the sipping. i'd already ingested about 2g of amanita muscaria (siberian) the cubes kinda just leveled out. so i drank more of the tea. it ended up being a crazy mental trip. but i can't say i recalled any visuals. this is the first time this has happened and it'd been about 2months since my last cube intake. this leads me to believe that the amanita canceled out some of the visual effects and had the cubes go more mental trip. was still a great experience and i got pretty damn introspective but in the future i'll likely keep the experiences separate. nothing quite like a good dose of cubes...and theres nothing quite like a trip on just amanita. but together? i'm not sold.
also, zero nausea. zilch. nada. nunca.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria/Pantherina with Psilocybin? [Re: Jim I.T.I]
#28558491 - 11/27/23 03:26 PM (1 month, 30 days ago) |
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Amanita muscaria. I feel a faint driftiness so far. Not unpleasant at all. The first taste though, is a wow.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria/Pantherina with Psilocybin? [Re: Jim I.T.I]
#28592115 - 12/20/23 11:23 PM (1 month, 7 days ago) |
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I had psilocybin mushrooms w/ some amanita gummies once. I took the gummies about halfway through the trip. It added a subtle sedating effect, but not much else. I'd like to try again w/ some proper dried A. Muscaria caps.
I've had some surprisingly vivid out-of-body experiences combining small doses of A. Muscaria in tincture w/ breathwork. I would often see myself flying in a toroidal, ethereal ship.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria/Pantherina with Psilocybin? [Re: megahex]
#28592400 - 12/21/23 07:18 AM (1 month, 7 days ago) |
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I have a friend that talked me into trying them for insomnia. I have used both muscaria and pantherina as they both grow wild here. The muscaria I use about 8-10g dried in tea and the pantherina no more than 2g. I have experienced muscarine poisoning one time and it was awful. I shivered and felt cold but was sweating so much that I looked like you dumped a bucket of water over my head. I was also salivating like crazy. It lasted about 8 hours and was very uncomfortable. I would have gone to the ER but I worked there so that was not an option so I just rode it out.
I have never had anything visual or more than mild sedation from them but they do make me sleep all night and wake up refreshed.
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