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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: Kinoko314]
    #28517126 - 10/24/23 08:27 PM (3 months, 22 days ago)

So I have a serious question for all the Natalensis users out there. I have a buddy who shared some nats with others that I shared with him. We both have tried them and agree they are stronger then cubes. They are different in trip quality as well. Of the 8 people he shared with a few of his friends said they felt nothing after taking 4g dry. The 4 who say they feel nothing are African American. The others are Mexican and Caucasian to be more informative and they said they were great. So here is the question, Is it possible African Americans can have a higher tolerance or metabolism that makes nats less effective. With cubes the African Americans usually take the same dose as him and they work fine. It's just nats they never feel anything with. They have tried them a few times.  They are going to try a bit I still have just to see if it was a storage issue but they were vac packed with disicant packs with moisture indicators and o2 absorbers, so we don't think that was a problem. Anyone have any thoughts? We are all seriously curious as to why they aren't working for them. Any one who is African American, do you need to take more of these to trip then with cubes or no?


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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: Bigworm] * 4
    #28517147 - 10/24/23 09:14 PM (3 months, 22 days ago)

I’m black and I’m the most sensitive person I know :lol: I find nats to be quite potent, on par with strong cubes

I know what you’re talking about, but I don’t think it has much to do with race. I’ve encountered four people (2 white 1 hispanic 1 asian) who felt very little from natalensis even at high doses. They just don’t click for some people.


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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: MojaveMyc]
    #28517192 - 10/24/23 09:59 PM (3 months, 22 days ago)

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I’m black and I’m the most sensitive person I know :lol: I find nats to be quite potent, on par with strong cubes

I know what you’re talking about, but I don’t think it has much to do with race. I’ve encountered four people (2 white 1 hispanic 1 asian) who felt very little from natalensis even at high doses. They just don’t click for some people.




Thanks for answering honestly. I was nervous to even ask a race based question, but I was being asked to find out.
We(my buddy and I) never thought about race until his wife (who is black) and one of the guys who said it didn't work questioned it. She has a high tolerance to all shrooms so it was normal with her and we left her out of the equation. That was the only thing that linked the experiences together. I knew it was far fetched but worth a shot. Maybe some people just metabolize them different.


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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: Bigworm] * 1
    #28517213 - 10/24/23 10:33 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

No problemo homie. I drove myself nuts trying to figure out why they just couldn’t feel them. Only 1 out of the 4 is high tolerance, the rest take average doses with everything else. We’d even sit down and dose ourselves from the same powdered fruits which came from a clone culture I was quite familiar with. I gave it up lol. Nats aren’t really in my rotation these days but I’m still quite curious about it


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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: MojaveMyc]
    #28517404 - 10/25/23 06:47 AM (3 months, 21 days ago)

This is interesting. Now I'm more curious.


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    #28517418 - 10/25/23 07:13 AM (3 months, 21 days ago)

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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: red_hat]
    #28517431 - 10/25/23 07:39 AM (3 months, 21 days ago)

MojaveMyc and Bigworm

Thanks for sharing. The full range of individual response seems to be a vast unknown landscape. Two questions to consider:

Are any of the non-responders known to be using antidepressants or other mood altering medications?

Do they respond to other substances such as LSD?


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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: MojaveMyc]
    #28517443 - 10/25/23 07:48 AM (3 months, 21 days ago)

:whathesaid: the first thing that comes to mind is ssri meds


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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #28517462 - 10/25/23 08:07 AM (3 months, 21 days ago)

My first jars are almost ready! I ended up using T0 and T1 plates because honestly they looked powerful.

I've made more transfers, but I've noticed that the mycelium on agar is much less dense/wild. Is that a good sign or a bad sign for natalensis?


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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: Huskies] * 4
    #28517465 - 10/25/23 08:12 AM (3 months, 21 days ago)

The craziest part of this to me is that you know four black people who eat shrooms :lol:

99% of the black guys I hang out with say something along the lines of “nah that’s some white boy stuff” lmao. They feel the same about ssri meds too.



Was it legitimately confirmed natalensis has (I will never remember the spelling) aerguesin?? I haven’t heard anything but I’ve noticed they’re extremely popular now everywhere so it would make sense somebody tested the alkaloids.


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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: A.k.a] * 1
    #28517481 - 10/25/23 08:29 AM (3 months, 21 days ago)

Lmao that part right there AKA. Most of the black folks in my circle started doing shrooms because of me, and it took some convincing :lol:

But nah no medications at all, let alone SSRIs. All of them respond to LSD.

I’m pretty sure someone posted some numbers in the last day or three about a nat sample with a large amount of aeruginascin. The last result of Oakland hyphae's didn't show any in the nat sample. I'm positive that nats were submitted to the Denver psych cup so we'll probably have more numbers next week.

My nat era was two years ago when the argument was still up in the air, but I think the non-responders, for whatever reason, cannot feel aeruginascin or something else in these. I gave them to a loooot of people, and only the four had anything negative to say about em. They trip on everything else I grow with no problem.


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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: MojaveMyc] * 1
    #28517492 - 10/25/23 08:33 AM (3 months, 21 days ago)

Spores from spore swab to malt agar on 10-16. (Bottom right has a little chunk of the spore swab material coming out of it.) Should I give these another week or is it time to take some samples along the furthest growing edges to new agar?



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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: A.k.a] * 1
    #28517572 - 10/25/23 09:57 AM (3 months, 21 days ago)

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The craziest part of this to me is that you know four black people who eat shrooms :lol:

99% of the black guys I hang out with say something along the lines of “nah that’s some white boy stuff” lmao. They feel the same about ssri meds too.





Yeah I was introduced to a lot of people through other people. I have a close friend who ran a music festival for quite a few years so he got to know a lot of people who are like minded, which in turn I get to know. I was surprised to see how many people of color used the "white boy stuff". Lol


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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: Bigworm]
    #28519014 - 10/26/23 02:41 PM (3 months, 20 days ago)

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So I have a serious question for all the Natalensis users out there. I have a buddy who shared some nats with others that I shared with him. We both have tried them and agree they are stronger then cubes. They are different in trip quality as well. Of the 8 people he shared with a few of his friends said they felt nothing after taking 4g dry. The 4 who say they feel nothing are African American. The others are Mexican and Caucasian to be more informative and they said they were great. So here is the question, Is it possible African Americans can have a higher tolerance or metabolism that makes nats less effective. With cubes the African Americans usually take the same dose as him and they work fine. It's just nats they never feel anything with. They have tried them a few times.  They are going to try a bit I still have just to see if it was a storage issue but they were vac packed with disicant packs with moisture indicators and o2 absorbers, so we don't think that was a problem. Anyone have any thoughts? We are all seriously curious as to why they aren't working for them. Any one who is African American, do you need to take more of these to trip then with cubes or no?




White guy, ginger levels of whitness. I hate them. Everyone has different digestion, metabolism, enzymes, and will process the drug different. Pharmacokinetics.


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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: rockyfungus] * 4
    #28519993 - 10/27/23 10:42 AM (3 months, 19 days ago)



Second swab from a pack Crack sent my way in 2021. I'm absolutely thrilled to give them another shot now that I have some more experience behind me :rockon:


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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: Benson] * 4
    #28520199 - 10/27/23 02:21 PM (3 months, 19 days ago)

I took some from my first harvest.  30g fresh, made into tea.  It was a bit less visual, and a lot more introspective than my average cube trip. 

I think it might be interesting to try tripping on half nats and half cubes.


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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: Kinoko314] * 1
    #28521061 - 10/28/23 11:45 AM (3 months, 18 days ago)

Nats are on their way through the top layer. These are 1:3 spawn(wbs):sub(c/v) spawned 10/24. I didn't level the top layer too well:facepalm3: so it's coming through the thinner parts first. It's a bit dry here right now so I needed to slow fae to get it right hence the mp taped holes


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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: Bigworm] * 1
    #28521111 - 10/28/23 12:34 PM (3 months, 18 days ago)

How's my monotub looking Natal super strain. Ez-dial 60 qt tub spawned P9 style 1:6 ratio. 12 quarts spawn mixed with 3 qts sub then a 6 qt top layer. S2B on 10-15. How do surface conditions look. Should I open up for more FAE, I thought I remembered reading that Nats like for FAE.

EDIT : 12qts sub mixed with 3qts spawn then 6qts sub top layer.



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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: Chumbum]
    #28521121 - 10/28/23 12:42 PM (3 months, 18 days ago)

That’s looking good.

More air is always good but that looks dialed in and if you increase more air the surface will dry.


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    #28521143 - 10/28/23 01:02 PM (3 months, 18 days ago)

Cool thanks maybe once I start seeing pins increase FAE?


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