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Pilot Attempts to Kill 83 People After Taking Mushrooms
    #28516791 - 10/24/23 04:04 PM (3 months, 2 days ago)

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/-duty-alaska-airlines-pilot-accused-trying-shut-engines-wrestled-cockp-rcna121906

The off-duty pilot accused of trying to bring down an Alaska Airlines flight told investigators he had not slept for 40 hours and believed he was having a "nervous breakdown," and also admitted to the use of psychedelic mushrooms, according to a federal complaint filed Tuesday.

The FBI is investigating whether the off-duty pilot — Joseph Emerson, 44, of California — was under the influence when he tried to shut down the plane's engines while sitting in the cockpit of Sunday's flight from Everett, Washington, to San Francisco, officials told NBC News.

Emerson denied to investigators he had taken any medications before getting on the flight, but spoke about becoming depressed six months ago and said it was his first time taking mushrooms, the complaint said.

"I didn't feel OK," Emerson said, telling investigators that he was tired and dehydrated, according to the complaint. "It seemed like the pilots weren't paying attention to what was going on."

"I pulled both emergency shut off handles because I thought I was dreaming and I just wanna wake up," he added.

Emerson now faces one count of interfering with flight crew members and attendants, the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Oregon said.

He is already being held in an Oregon jail on 167 charges, including 83 counts of attempted murder, and is awaiting an arraignment Tuesday afternoon.
Emerson had been sitting in a flight deck jump seat in the cockpit, which is permitted for pilots who may be commuting between airports.

The federal complaint alleges that Emerson was engaging in "casual conversation" with the other pilots, discussing the weather and his career with Alaska Airlines, when he attempted to grab two red engine shutoff handles. Emerson threw his headset across the cockpit and told the pilots "I am not OK" as he reached for the handles, the complaint said.

One of the pilots grabbed Emerson's wrists, while the other declared an in-flight emergency. Emerson had to be "wrestled with" for several seconds until he settled down, the pilots told investigators.

Emerson had allegedly tried to pull the engine fire suppression controls, which would have turned off the engines at cruising altitude. (Experts say the ability to quickly turn off an engine may be crucial in emergency situations, such as a fire.)

The off-duty pilot was then forced out of the cockpit, and the other pilots secured the cockpit door.

Flight attendants told investigators that after they were alerted to an issue up front, they went to bring Emerson to the back.

Emerson said, "You need to cuff me right now or it's going to be bad," according to the flight attendants.

Flex handcuffs were placed around Emerson's wrists. While seated at the back of the plane, he attempted to grab the handle of an emergency exit but was stopped by a flight attendant who placed her hands on top of his, the complaint said.

A flight attendant said Emerson made comments like "I messed everything up" and acknowledged that he put people's lives at risk.

Passengers on Flight 2059, operated by Alaska Airlines subsidiary Horizon Air, lauded the crew's quick actions and ability to stop Emerson.

"I made eye contact with him," passenger Aubrey Gavello said after Emerson was booted from the cockpit and walked to the back of the plane. "It was like one of those soul-chilling, dead in the eyes, just calm and just kind of like he was taking in everyone around him."

About 35 minutes after takeoff, a flight attendant "frantically" alerted passengers over the loudspeaker that "we have a situation" and that the pilots needed to land the plane, Gavello said.

No details were given, but Gavello said it sounded like a medical-related emergency.

Gavello said she saw the flight attendant and a man, who at the time no one knew was an off-duty pilot, walking from the cockpit to the back of the plane.

She said the man was in zip ties and the flight attendant was "trying to calm him down, saying that we were going to get him on the ground and everything was going to be OK."

The man remained seated in the back, Gavello said, and the flight attendant informed the cabin, "I just want to let everyone know they're safe" and assured the passengers that the plane was not having mechanical issues.

"Her second announcement calmed everyone down," Gavello said, "and then we landed."

The plane made an emergency stop in Portland, where police were waiting to board the aircraft and escort Emerson off.

Gavello's boyfriend, Alex Wood, who said he had slept through the ordeal and only woke up when they were landing, had no clue that it was an Alaska Airlines employee accused of putting lives in peril and only learned more details after seeing news reports Monday morning.

"It's very scary to know that that person was allowed in the cockpit, in the jump seat, where he was sitting," Wood said.

"I thought I was being dramatic because I got off the plane and my boyfriend and I weren't sitting together, and I was like shaking and he was asleep the whole time, so he didn't know," Gavello said. "And I was like, am I being so dramatic or was that really traumatizing?" 

Alaska Airlines said it was "grateful for the professional handling of the situation" by the flight crew. The FBI also said it was investigating with support from the Federal Aviation Administration.

Emerson was initially employed by Horizon Air in 2001, and has also worked for Alaska Airlines and Virgin America.

A review of his mental state will be part of the investigation, aviation analysts said.

Pilots over 40 must undergo a medical evaluation every six months and disclose whether they are having mental health issues or taking medications. But full mental health evaluations are not part of a pilot’s physical exams, according to the FAA. Emerson’s last physical was in September.

Emerson lives with his wife and young children in the Bay Area community of Pleasant Hill, where a neighbor said he was surprised by the allegations.

There are "no indications of anything wrong" with him, Ed Yee said.


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Re: Pilot Attempts to Kill 83 People After Taking Mushrooms [Re: shiZZaGrayfox]
    #28516798 - 10/24/23 04:09 PM (3 months, 2 days ago)

In his defense, he says it was his "first time taking mushrooms"


Edited by shiZZaGrayfox (10/24/23 04:10 PM)


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Re: Pilot Attempts to Kill 83 People After Taking Mushrooms [Re: shiZZaGrayfox] * 2
    #28516801 - 10/24/23 04:12 PM (3 months, 2 days ago)

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Emerson threw his headset across the cockpit and told the pilots "I am not OK" as he reached for the handles




Remind me to avoid tripping balls and operating machinery that numerous lives depend up. Still... I blame the guy not the fungi.

Set and setting matter.


Edited by Nillion (10/24/23 04:12 PM)


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Re: Pilot Attempts to Kill 83 People After Taking Mushrooms [Re: Nillion]
    #28516803 - 10/24/23 04:14 PM (3 months, 2 days ago)

Set and setting...I've heard that expression before.
So you're telling me don't drop for the first time ever while riding jump seat in the cockpit of a 747?


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Re: Pilot Attempts to Kill 83 People After Taking Mushrooms [Re: shiZZaGrayfox]
    #28516833 - 10/24/23 04:30 PM (3 months, 2 days ago)

Quote:

shiZZaGrayfox said:
Set and setting...I've heard that expression before.
So you're telling me don't drop for the first time ever while riding jump seat in the cockpit of a 747?




I hate that the first reply to come to mind was "not without a Gopro, at least"

What was going through guys mind?
Other than a several milligrams of 4-OH-DMT, I mean.

Who does that?


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Re: Pilot Attempts to Kill 83 People After Taking Mushrooms (moved) [Re: shiZZaGrayfox] * 1
    #28516882 - 10/24/23 05:10 PM (3 months, 2 days ago)

This thread was moved from The Psychedelic Experience.

Reason:
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Re: Pilot Attempts to Kill 83 People After Taking Mushrooms (moved) [Re: shiZZaGrayfox] * 1
    #28516900 - 10/24/23 05:20 PM (3 months, 2 days ago)

This thread was moved from The Pub.

Reason:
Since this thread includes a news article, and we already have a alrady have pub thread on this subject, I'm moving this to news.


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Re: Pilot Attempts to Kill 83 People After Taking Mushrooms (moved) [Re: geokills] * 3
    #28516962 - 10/24/23 06:07 PM (3 months, 2 days ago)

I'm not sure why it is, but pilots do seem to have a higher than average rate of mental illness, depression, drug and alcohol abuse.
Last month a British Airways pilot was fired for partying with cocaine before a flight. Pilots have been removed from flights for being drunk. The pilot in this story says he was depressed for six months and has taken mushrooms. And there have been cases of pilots crashing their planes to commit suicide while loaded with passengers.

Maybe these men and women should be tested for drug and alcohol use more often and be provided with frequent on the job counseling and therapy.


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Re: Pilot Attempts to Kill 83 People After Taking Mushrooms (moved) [Re: veggie] * 1
    #28517021 - 10/24/23 07:06 PM (3 months, 2 days ago)

Acute
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veggie said:
I'm not sure why it is, but pilots do seem to have a higher than average rate of mental illness, depression, drug and alcohol abuse.
Last month a British Airways pilot was fired for partying with cocaine before a flight. Pilots have been removed from flights for being drunk. The pilot in this story says he was depressed for six months and has taken mushrooms. And there have been cases of pilots crashing their planes to commit suicide while loaded with passengers.

Maybe these men and women should be tested for drug and alcohol use more often and be provided with frequent on the job counseling and therapy.




Maybe a high perxentage of pilots have combat experience, contributing to mental illness among airline pilots?

Honest question, reminds me of "suicidal dentists"


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Re: Pilot Attempts to Kill 83 People After Taking Mushrooms (moved) [Re: stzacrack]
    #28517068 - 10/24/23 07:49 PM (3 months, 2 days ago)

"According to a probable cause statement filed in Multnomah County Circuit Court, Emerson told Port of Portland police following his arrest that he had been struggling with depression, that a friend had recently died and that he had taken psychedelic mushrooms about 48 hours before he attempted to cut the engines. He also said he had not slept in more than 40 hours, according to the document."

Ok, from another article. I'm going to say it probably wasn't the shrooms.


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Re: Pilot Attempts to Kill 83 People After Taking Mushrooms (moved) [Re: shiZZaGrayfox] * 1
    #28517190 - 10/24/23 09:56 PM (3 months, 2 days ago)

Yeah, there is zero evidence that he was under the influence of mushrooms at the time. There is also no evidence that he even took mushrooms at all, but even if he did, it was days prior. He had none in his system at the time.

Sounds like a typical excuse to me. "It wasn't my fault, it was the drugs."


Edited by nooneman (10/24/23 09:57 PM)


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Re: Pilot Attempts to Kill 83 People After Taking Mushrooms (moved) [Re: nooneman]
    #28517315 - 10/25/23 02:11 AM (3 months, 1 day ago)

Yea the first article I read made it sound like he was on mushrooms WHEN he did it, but he's saying it was a few days earlier.

Aren't there quite a few cases like this, however, where somebody with crippling depression takes shrooms or LSD and it causes them to break all the way? That doesn't mean it's the mushrooms fault, but if you're already so depressed you're thinking about killing yourself and other people, it seems it can do people in fairly often.


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Re: Pilot Attempts to Kill 83 People After Taking Mushrooms (moved) [Re: shiZZaGrayfox] * 4
    #28517316 - 10/25/23 02:12 AM (3 months, 1 day ago)

40 hours no sleep in a bad head space can do that all by itself though.


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Re: Pilot Attempts to Kill 83 People After Taking Mushrooms (moved) [Re: zimmey] * 1
    #28517385 - 10/25/23 05:30 AM (3 months, 1 day ago)

40 hours no sleep.
He thought he was dreaming when it happened.
Sounds more like amphetamines then shrooms.


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Re: Pilot Attempts to Kill 83 People After Taking Mushrooms (moved) [Re: veggie]
    #28517399 - 10/25/23 06:25 AM (3 months, 1 day ago)

Quote:

veggie said:
I'm not sure why it is, but pilots do seem to have a higher than average rate of mental illness, depression, drug and alcohol abuse.
Last month a British Airways pilot was fired for partying with cocaine before a flight. Pilots have been removed from flights for being drunk. The pilot in this story says he was depressed for six months and has taken mushrooms. And there have been cases of pilots crashing their planes to commit suicide while loaded with passengers.

Maybe these men and women should be tested for drug and alcohol use more often and be provided with frequent on the job counseling and therapy.




I don't think this is the case. It's probably just that they have a higher security clearance level
due to their responsibility, so it is easier to detect. But of course, whenever there's a case, we'll
hear about it. Think of all the fucked up insurance agents, car salesmen, librarians and fishmongers
we never get to hear about. Or even mycologists.


That being said, the 40 hours of no sleep seems to me to be the stronger factor inciting such behavior.
Whether that is due to illicit substances or not, I can't honestly tell. I do have a hard time to sleep
when coming down off of mushrooms, but it never lasts long. 

All I know is that whenever I have to stay awake for much more than 24 hours, my perspective of reality
narrows down gradually to covering the bare necessities, and it becomes almost painful even to just do
simple things like walking or saying 'yes' or 'no'.

But with this pilot's depression in mind, I remember a friend who got a severe case of insomnia and
depression after being dumped by his girlfriend.


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Re: Pilot Attempts to Kill 83 People After Taking Mushrooms (moved) [Re: Anglerfish] * 2
    #28517541 - 10/25/23 09:26 AM (3 months, 1 day ago)

Misleading title and sensational journalism. Definitely no anti psychedelic agenda here……


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Re: Pilot Attempts to Kill 83 People After Taking Mushrooms (moved) [Re: afrogus]
    #28517638 - 10/25/23 11:22 AM (3 months, 1 day ago)

I miss the old days when they just made you gay.. sigh


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Re: Pilot Attempts to Kill 83 People After Taking Mushrooms (moved) [Re: shiZZaGrayfox] * 1
    #28517711 - 10/25/23 12:53 PM (3 months, 1 day ago)

He may as well say that the devil made him do it. :shrug:


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Re: Pilot Attempts to Kill 83 People After Taking Mushrooms (moved) [Re: VP123]
    #28518001 - 10/25/23 05:50 PM (3 months, 1 day ago)

anybody that hasn't slept in 40 hours is a crazy person maybe the mushrooms arent' to blame?


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Re: Pilot Attempts to Kill 83 People After Taking Mushrooms (moved) [Re: Yokal]
    #28518418 - 10/26/23 01:45 AM (3 months, 22 hours ago)

Other articles on this topic certainly don't mention mushrooms.
Stupid journalists are stupid.


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