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How should strong can a trip be?
    #28513643 - 10/22/23 03:08 AM (3 months, 4 days ago)

Hi guys

My friend and me took 2,5grams in last night in tea of golden teachers. It was only my second trip, she has had quite a few trips. For me I felt it fairly intense but at the same not not that intense, for example, my curtains and lights were breathing, things looked fuzzy and my friend looked like an alien. That was after about 60 minutes, I asked my friend if she felt anything and she only felt sick so I made more tea for her, she had a whole cup more and I had half a cup as I was already feeling it, I don’t know how much I put in as I didn’t weigh it I just threw about 6 shrooms in and it didn’t really make the trip any different.

So what I really want to find out from this post is, how much more intense can a shroom trip get without the ego death? I was just expecting a lot more, I hear people speaking about their trips and to me this isn’t a trip, yes everything looks fuzzy and vibrant and slightly moving but I didn’t have any real hallucinations as such.

Can real hallucinations happen on shrooms? Can I go in to another world where It’s like a cartoon or something or is this unreal expectations I’ve seen on YouTube? Or is that the ego death? How many grams to get a super strong trip in to another dimension but hopefully without ego death if that’s possible?

By the way I grew these shrooms myself out of a tub.

I hope this makes sense


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Re: How should strong can a trip be? [Re: Warren123] * 3
    #28513682 - 10/22/23 05:06 AM (3 months, 4 days ago)

Ego death is a research term and how people try to explain the unexplainable, it isn't really a thing. Don't worry about it.The "magic" part in the phrase "magic mushrooms" is a colloquialism. They are just psychedelic drugs. They won't transport you to other worlds, and if you think you're in another world you will be severely messed up in so many ways. You're far more likely to find yourself doubting reality.

There'll be an odd bunch of answers to this, because the reality is mushrooms effect different people at different ages and in different states of health differently. The best way to know how they'll effect you is just eat them.

If you want to step it up now you have a taster try maybe 3.5g. Shit starts to get real interesting around there. Seeing is believing.


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Re: How should strong can a trip be? [Re: Warren123] * 2
    #28513735 - 10/22/23 06:36 AM (3 months, 4 days ago)

When I was first starting out, I thought 3.5 grams was a "normal" dose, cause well everyone I knew that had them, sold them in eighths. Boy did I learn quick you certainly can trip decent off less than that! I've also heard/read Golden Teachers tend to be on the weaker side of the Cubie spectrum. As Northerner said, maybe an eighth is where you wanna be with what you got.

Regarding your original question. I'm in my 40's and have been tripping on and off since my teens. I can now eat 1.5 - 2 grams of decently potent cubes and have a pretty solid experience with nice OEVs for a few hours. 3.5, would be a level 4 trip easily for me approaching uncomfortable and not enjoyable. 1 gram of PE would do the same.

Psychs are so subjective from person to person, it's impossible for anyone to give you an exact formula that works for you. You're going to have to experiment with different set, settings, and doses until you have a good idea of what works for you. Be safe and happy tripping and growing! :mushroomgrow:


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Re: How should strong can a trip be? [Re: Warren123] * 1
    #28513829 - 10/22/23 08:20 AM (3 months, 4 days ago)

"How should strong can a trip be?"

this is a great question; with or without the dyslexic word ordering, the meaning still reflects questions I have been facing since way back in 1969, and which I am still facing in my current ongoing activities with psychedelics.

relating the dosage and responsiveness of people and the self is complex - I quite like how Northerner represents it above.

Personally the lighter side of dosing is very enjoyable on the whole, not including the physical and emotional dysphorias that you mentioned, for which I keep re-discovering the ability to tolerate [eg. body tensions, digestive gymnastic competitions, and mental recycling (loops)] while expanding my familiarity with the multidimensional mind. Higher doses are wonderful as well, but they consume more material and I back away from the daunting demonstrations within my gastric gymnasium. Maybe next month?


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Re: How should strong can a trip be? [Re: Northerner] * 1
    #28513878 - 10/22/23 09:01 AM (3 months, 4 days ago)

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Ego death is a research term and how people try to explain the unexplainable, it isn't really a thing.




someone has never read much Stanislav Grof.

LSD Psychotherapy is a very good place to start.


First you have the abstract sessions,
then the biographic sessions as you focus on your issues
then you enter the perinatal realm of birth and death
then comes the hard reset of the ego death sequence
then you enter the transpersonal realm, transcended self actualized.


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The "magic" part in the phrase "magic mushrooms" is a colloquialism.





for you yes. For others, not so much.


For me, the strength of a trip, in general, should be on the shallow end of what suffices, so that you must take extra effort with your mind to open up and embrace it. If you take your trips bigger and harder still, you're gonna get a loose kitty.


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Re: How should strong can a trip be? [Re: Asante] * 2
    #28513925 - 10/22/23 09:44 AM (3 months, 4 days ago)

Most people haven't read a lot of researchers like Stanislav Grof, nor are most people wizards.


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Re: How should strong can a trip be? [Re: Northerner] * 1
    #28513993 - 10/22/23 10:49 AM (3 months, 4 days ago)

Most trippers have a capacity for an entheogenic experience, if you don't ut the throat of the Mystique in front of them when they come in as n00bs.

You are obstructing the path for others.

Yes, people have profound spiritual experiences and encounters with entities all the time with mushrooms.

What the nature of these entities is, internal, external or both is up for people to deal with in the way that best befits them.

Alcoholics get a visit from God who asks them to quit and they quit and stay quit. "its just drugs there is no god" obstructs their path.

Don't gun down the expectation of entheogenesis for other people.


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Re: How should strong can a trip be? [Re: Asante] * 5
    #28514340 - 10/22/23 03:05 PM (3 months, 4 days ago)

If someone is high enough on psychs to disassociate it doesn't matter which books they read or what anyone said on Shroomery, it doesn't matter what they believe at that point. You're acting like expectations are a good thing when they really are not.

I took psychedelics for decades before I ever came on Shroomery or read a book about them. When I finally did it made me realise how much bullshit people talk about them. Helping noobs not to listen to bullshit but observe the experience from a personal perspective without expectations is minor goal of mine. I've seen the damage that McKenna has done to so many peoples DMT experiences with machine elves and the damage caused by stupid mushroom expectations of a "level 5 trip" and a "heroic dose'. Nonsense that has caused harm and given people psychedelic goalposts that they really don't understand, don't really exist, and often regret.

Modern day "ego death" searching or avoiding, or trying to understand it without experiencing it is a presenting in the same way. Just because I'm calling it out as a way to explain the unexplainable can only be a good thing  imho. Takes the stupid fear and goalposts away from it.

Really though I don't know why I'm responding, when the reality is you are just attacking me because I'm a mod. It's a fickle attempt to show how the site has gone to shit since you were dismissed. It's the second time in a row with me now. It's like you're using your wizard magic to burn every single bit of good will you have here.


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Re: How should strong can a trip be? [Re: Warren123]
    #28514348 - 10/22/23 03:13 PM (3 months, 4 days ago)

People can achieve functional blindness and complete incoherence and become a danger to themselves, often requiring restraint, if they take things too far in my experience.

This tends to go far past profound and into the real of absolute terror for many of them.

Don't overdo it.

Many people have marvelous spiritual experiences, some do not.

Better results may be had by being open minded and taking less, rather than taking more and expecting a profound result. That is my opinion, at least.


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Re: How should strong can a trip be? [Re: Nillion]
    #28514393 - 10/22/23 03:50 PM (3 months, 4 days ago)

not everyone benefits from pumpkins the same way, but the popularity of them gets a lot of support from most of us.
few of us shout "down with pumpkins!"
some have to hide their pumpkins,
I like mine cooked. but cutting is OK.
the candy however makes me crazy!!!


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Re: How should strong can a trip be? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28514427 - 10/22/23 04:15 PM (3 months, 4 days ago)

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redgreenvines said:
not everyone benefits from pumpkins the same way, but the popularity of them gets a lot of support from most of us.



Pumpkins are great!

They seldom become large enough to crush a person and if it happens, it is because the person voluntarily put themselves under the weight of far too heavy a pumpkin.

Someone recently grew one that was nearly 1800lbs!
Yeah, pumpkins can be pretty heavy.
Common sense applies.


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Re: How should strong can a trip be? [Re: Nillion] * 1
    #28514461 - 10/22/23 04:46 PM (3 months, 4 days ago)

after 250 pounds, common sense has left the station. even then you can only put small pieces of it in the oven, and you need a team to carve them up.


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Re: How should strong can a trip be? [Re: Northerner]
    #28514505 - 10/22/23 05:52 PM (3 months, 4 days ago)

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Really though I don't know why I'm responding, when the reality is you are just attacking me because I'm a mod. It's a fickle attempt to show how the site has gone to shit since you were dismissed. It's the second time in a row with me now. It's like you're using your wizard magic to burn every single bit of good will you have here.




nothing of the sort. I have stated clearly why i think your stance is erroneous and limiting for others of lesser experience.

You are hallucinating a personal hate campaign and misguided agenda that totally isnt mine.

The argument I presented, is the argument I presented.

No need to read things into it that isnt in there.


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Re: How should strong can a trip be? [Re: Asante] * 2
    #28514529 - 10/22/23 06:14 PM (3 months, 4 days ago)

I apologise then, but disagree with what you said about me. Your logic seems flawed, fabricated for arguments sake.


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Re: How should strong can a trip be? [Re: Northerner]
    #28514554 - 10/22/23 06:36 PM (3 months, 4 days ago)

You apologize but it comes across as pretty halfhearted.

I think its wrong to dismiss entheogenic and transpersonal experiences as woo.

Traditional cultures revered these mushrooms etc as sacraments.

Psiloybe Mexicana mushrooms were called Teononacatl by the Aztecs, the G0d-Mushroom, and indeed in many people, these mushrooms, cacti etc give rise to the Divine Within.

That this apparently doesn't happen for you, doesn't negate the fact that it does so for many people. Dismissing that heartfelt spirituality as woo


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Ego death is a research term and how people try to explain the unexplainable, it isn't really a thing. Don't worry about it.The "magic" part in the phrase "magic mushrooms" is a colloquialism. They are just psychedelic drugs. They won't transport you to other worlds, and if you think you're in another world you will be severely messed up in so many ways. You're far more likely to find yourself doubting reality.

There'll be an odd bunch of answers to this, because the reality is mushrooms effect different people at different ages and in different states of health differently. The best way to know how they'll effect you is just eat them.

If you want to step it up now you have a taster try maybe 3.5g. Shit starts to get real interesting around there. Seeing is believing.




I think you excessively demystify mushrooms.


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Re: How should strong can a trip be? [Re: Asante] * 3
    #28514571 - 10/22/23 06:59 PM (3 months, 4 days ago)

Yeah I set the post up for everyone to have different opinions, but you chose to attack me rather than address the topic and share your opinion. I don't know how much of an apology you can really expect.

The mystery is in the mushrooms, not in the woo talk. If you like the woo talk talk about it, love it, share it. Don't pretend that people who don't woo talk are harming others. Then assume because they don't push their woo on others that they don't experience psychedelics as profound.

I firmly believe that the psychedelic experience is unique. I know for a fact that people telling people what they should experience influences their experiences and takes away the uniqueness of that individuals experience.

All your assumptions and expectations about me, and why and what I'm saying, and what the outcomes are for others are is incorrect. I don't know why you would think that it would seem anything but hostile.


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Re: How should strong can a trip be? [Re: Warren123]
    #28514573 - 10/22/23 07:00 PM (3 months, 4 days ago)

I have had some experiences I felt were spiritual and profound from fungi, but I have also had some that weren't particularly special.

I have even had some that had a mix of the two, in terms of how I experienced it.

Must it be one or the other?

I value and cherish them both and expecting neither am often pleasantly surprised either way!


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Re: How should strong can a trip be? [Re: Nillion] * 2
    #28514599 - 10/22/23 07:20 PM (3 months, 4 days ago)

1. Mushrooms vary WIDELY in strength. Individual tolerances vary. People often forget to factor in cross-tolerances with psychiatric drugs and other substances. For all of these reasons, "x amount does y" is a subjective and meaningless statement. And asking "what amount do I need to get to such-such-and-such point" is equally meaningless.

2. Sitting around and focusing on how high you are and what sort of visuals you're getting is not going to be terribly rewarding. If you're still able to function and walk around, then you should DO SOMETHING while tripping. Even if that's meditating in a darkened room. Just sitting there waiting for the shrooms to do all the work is a recipe for dissappointment.


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Re: How should strong can a trip be? [Re: Warren123] * 1
    #28514639 - 10/22/23 07:56 PM (3 months, 4 days ago)

I'm pretty new to this forum, but have been tripping since the 80's.

I got ahold of over a pound of some "Thai cubensis" I was told last year. I don't know anything about cultivating. I will say they are extremely consistent. I've munched down over 14 oz since. I've taken anywhere from 1 to 8 grams.

My experience (as others said everyone is different) is 1-2 gives me a nice feeling, faint tracing and I can be fully functional (got massage, played tennis, just about anything). This tends to last about 4-5 hours

3-4 grams will provide a deeper trip, stronger visuals, I will tend to want to avoid social situations on this much, but could handle it if needed. This will last a little longer like 5-6 hours

The fun really starts for me at 5-8. I've built a state of the art movie theater and I love tripping my brains out while watching movies or jamming to music and concerts. I've never met any beings, nor would I say I see things that aren't there, but everything is amplified 10X, sounds vision (sometimes hard to keep eyes open on 7/8). So even though I don't see things that aren't there, I do hear weird stuff sometimes. I don't leave the house on this size of dose.

I've had lots of the "bad trips" which were mostly due to bad preparation or mental state (my mom was in the hospital one time and it felt terrible). I got laid off another and I kept going into a pseudo psychosis trying to figure out how to convince my bosses not to do it (glad I didn't follow up on this). So even though it's strong that can be a bad thing if you amplify the wrong state of mind. These trips tend to last 6-8 hours.

So that's my experience with them this year. I will say heroic trips (6-8g) do tend to have very big side effects, my fitbit says my skin temp drops 2-3 degrees I get cold and need a blanket a lot, and like I said things can be overwhelming at times especially as you climb toward the peak. After the peak it usually tapers off pretty quick. Since i usually trip alone I always remember when I took them and no matter how overwhelming it gets tell myself there's only ... hours to go, because time can get pretty distorted on these high doses

I'd recommend stepping up in 1-2 gram doses (if 2.5 wasn't enough try 3.5 or 4), and then add 1g at a time until you find what you are looking for.


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Re: How should strong can a trip be? [Re: BasicTek] * 3
    #28514760 - 10/22/23 09:31 PM (3 months, 4 days ago)

I guess the point is, we will experience it in entirely each in our own way, and we will speak of it each in our own way.

with more or less certainty
with more or less woo certain and not
and those who read and trip will be following their own inclinations too, individually at varying levels of woo.

We can help each other be the individuals that we each are, offering our differing bits of insight and experience, with more or less woo as the case may be.

I find as I age, I am shifting less and less wooish and ok with not having a clue about what is not happening right now, but many people go the other way. part of it is how we manage self soothing. basically how to manage not worrying ourselves about stuff all the time.

but I must return to my grade 12 year book quote "be calm"


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