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Rahz
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Jews vs Muslims
#28514488 - 10/22/23 05:29 PM (3 months, 4 days ago) |
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Why can't they just get along?
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Re: Jews vs Muslims [Re: Rahz]
#28514981 - 10/23/23 05:33 AM (3 months, 4 days ago) |
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The action plays on individual preferences. Perhaps you're not the intended audience.
You think they're not getting along because they don't measure up to your idea of due diligence?
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It's a question. Care to take a stab at it?
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Re: Jews vs Muslims [Re: Rahz]
#28515015 - 10/23/23 06:50 AM (3 months, 4 days ago) |
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not at this time. more interested in defusing the mine fields
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Rahz
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If people don't know why they can't get along, what basis do they have for understanding the situation? How does a lack of understanding help defuse mines? Isn't understanding a conflict essential to coming up with solutions?
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Re: Jews vs Muslims [Re: Rahz]
#28515059 - 10/23/23 07:30 AM (3 months, 4 days ago) |
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Emotional turmoil may be reason enough in service to our appetites for drama.
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Re: Jews vs Muslims [Re: Rahz]
#28515061 - 10/23/23 07:35 AM (3 months, 4 days ago) |
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do you prefer an aggressive approach to understanding?
In these disputes over 100 years of "he said she said", and "he did she did" have accrued and those bad feelings (revenge for wrongful death etc.) fester with fresh ichor added daily by interested parties (such as the regime in Iran) who foment division.
I would say, defuse, and observe the fresh propaganda sources and terrorist financing, while attempting to heal the damaged people and infrastructures - ultimately to stem the tide of poison influence that pits the one against the other.
In many individual cases, Jews are not against Muslims and vice versa.
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A recent poll suggests 51% of Americans aged 18-24 think the slaughter of 1200 Israeli citizens was justified. The number doesn't change much with an additional 10 years of age, but with every 10 years of age beyond 34 the number goes down by approximately 10% until you end up with the 65+ crowd at 9% thinking it was justified. Perhaps Buster has a point?
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Re: Jews vs Muslims [Re: Rahz]
#28515753 - 10/23/23 07:25 PM (3 months, 3 days ago) |
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I'm sorry Rahz.
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Lol, if the Muslims would accept Kabballah we would have world peace!
Kabballah even has the word Allah in it!
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Form Over Function
1/ Suppose our forms aligned to a principal of entertainment for you and me.
2/ Add a conscience of how I acquire my preferences can be used by my opposition.
3/ Rationally then does one object and close down hideous displays of exuberance? Or does one put in their earplugs and walk away?
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Re: Jews vs Muslims [Re: Rahz]
#28516297 - 10/24/23 08:17 AM (3 months, 3 days ago) |
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Rahz said: Why can't they just get along?
They are different from each other in key, cultural identity forming, ways. To me it's similar to asking why the US and China can't seem to get along. Or the US and Russia. And while these latter ideological opponents are not direct geographical neighbors, the conflict from these differences is apparent and manifests in aggressive political policies even at distance.
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redgreenvines said: In many individual cases, Jews are not against Muslims and vice versa.
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Re: Jews vs Muslims [Re: Rahz] 1
#28516356 - 10/24/23 09:23 AM (3 months, 3 days ago) |
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Violent minds fuel violence. Whether someone kills their cheating spouse or nations declare war, a common catalyst is a firm attachment to thoughts and beliefs that support the feeling of being victimized and/or persecuted.
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I am neither so no specific reason to be sorry for me. If I might ask for sympathy it would be the same sympathy I might offer to all the souls of mankind.
But sympathy is no medicine nor do I consider seeing humanity in it's natural light an illness.
People just can't get along OR they are being made to conflict. I think the reality is some of both. The first begets the last. The crest of the wave travels on the energy of the masses.
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Re: Jews vs Muslims [Re: Rahz]
#28517177 - 10/24/23 09:45 PM (3 months, 2 days ago) |
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Re: Jews vs Muslims [Re: Rahz]
#28517336 - 10/25/23 03:20 AM (3 months, 2 days ago) |
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Rahz said: Why can't they just get along?
Muslims tend to get along great with people of other faiths, but Islam as an expansionist and revanchist political movement is at war with its neighbors everywhere it exists, and at war with itself.
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Re: Jews vs Muslims [Re: Rahz] 1
#28517461 - 10/25/23 08:07 AM (3 months, 2 days ago) |
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Despite wanting to, I have been telling myself not to participate in this discussion.
Today I am breaking that self made rule to point out that the title of this is Jews vs Muslims.
When it could have been Jews & Muslims.
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Re: Jews vs Muslims [Re: Rahz] 1
#28517542 - 10/25/23 09:27 AM (3 months, 2 days ago) |
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Rahz said:
Isn't understanding a conflict essential to coming up with solutions?
I feel that both sides use "the enemy" in an attempt to unify the group. Nothing unifies people like the ancient "us versus them" perspective. An enemy helps solidify the collective.
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Rahz
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Lion said: Muslims tend to get along great with people of other faiths, but Islam as an expansionist and revanchist political movement is at war with its neighbors everywhere it exists, and at war with itself.
Islam as an expansionist and revanchist political movement is supported by a majority of Muslims either explicitly or implicitly. The energy of the wave produces the crest. How can it be otherwise?
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Nillion said: Despite wanting to, I have been telling myself not to participate in this discussion.
Today I am breaking that self made rule to point out that the title of this is Jews vs Muslims.
When it could have been Jews & Muslims.
There does seem to be some competition there to point out. Seems a minor point for making a rule about it. Perhaps it is just a sensitive topic? It hasn't devolved into a spitting match yet despite the provocative title.
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RJ Tubs 202 said: I feel that both sides use "the enemy" in an attempt to unify the group. Nothing unifies people like the ancient "us versus them" perspective. An enemy helps solidify the collective.
Yes, ethnicity, religion, culture, wealth, sex, age, etc. All seem to typically foster us/them perspectives.
Seems a strange paradox where the individual both wants to be unified as a collective and also feel special (and perhaps superior) due to their unique qualities.
Does it start as me vs them and then become us vs them due to the need for support? Isn't it all deeply personal? Deeper than ethnicity, religion, culture, wealth, sex, age, etc.?
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Re: Jews vs Muslims [Re: Rahz] 1
#28518838 - 10/26/23 11:48 AM (3 months, 1 day ago) |
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Rahz said:
Seems a strange paradox where the individual both wants to be unified as a collective and also feel special (and perhaps superior) due to their unique qualities.
It is a conundrum! Is it possible that joining a mass movement helps deminish the misery of self-loathing? It's a very interesting subject. Below are two quotes from Eric Hoffer's book, "The True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements." that may have some relevance.
The permanent misfits can find salvation only in a complete separation from the self; and they usually find it by losing themselves in the compact collectivity of a mass movement.
An effective mass movement cultivates the idea of sin. It depicts the autonomous self not only as barren and helpless but also as vile. To confess and repent is to slough off one’s individual distinctness and separateness, and salvation is found by losing oneself in the holy oneness of the congregation.
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