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OfflineThe Ecstatic
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How do you think automation/AI will transform politics in the coming decades? * 1
    #28513794 - 10/22/23 07:45 AM (3 months, 4 days ago)

With few exceptions, we live in a global economic system wherein most people sell their labor to earn a living, and where profits must not only be higher, but must be continuously increasing.


Technological advancement has been killing jobs for some time now (and created others), but I think we are fast reaching a point where automation and AI can legitimately replace entire sectors of employment. Self-driving vehicles and truck drivers are gone, drone delivery services mean delivery workers are gone. I work in the accounting field, and there is serious concern about AI taking a huge chunk of the field (although outsourcing is still more cost effective). Fully automated restaurants, customer service reps, etc.


Given the above, how do you think these changes will affect our political landscape?

Unionization waves ensuring a Luddite-esque policy towards ensuring jobs exist?
An expansion of the welfare state funded by taxes on corporations and the rich in order to offset huge rises in unemployment?
Or will we devolve into the dystopian fascist hellhole we see in sci-fi movies where the unemployed masses huddle together in the sewers for warmth?
Will nothing change?


I’m curious to hear y’all’s thoughts.


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Re: How do you think automation/AI will transform politics in the coming decades? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28513801 - 10/22/23 07:54 AM (3 months, 4 days ago)

maybe im bias because of my career path but i dont think customer service bots are going to be a thing.


even in the future they are terrible. im placing my bets on dystopian fascist hellhole. but for other reasons than AI.

im not trying to be rude but it really seems like an accountant is an extremely unnecessary job considering we have calculators and computer models.

im surprised those gigs are still around:shrug:


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Re: How do you think automation/AI will transform politics in the coming decades? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28513815 - 10/22/23 08:10 AM (3 months, 4 days ago)

I keep reading that so many jobs will be replaced that some kind of guaranteed income will be necessary. The class structure has already pushed downward, but this would be bigger and institutionalized.
Low-income housing would have to be addressed more seriously than now.


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Re: How do you think automation/AI will transform politics in the coming decades? [Re: Brian Jones]
    #28513818 - 10/22/23 08:12 AM (3 months, 4 days ago)

And no matter how shitty that was, that's the good scenario.


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Re: How do you think automation/AI will transform politics in the coming decades? [Re: Brian Jones]
    #28513820 - 10/22/23 08:12 AM (3 months, 4 days ago)

I'm assuming the plan is more police.

Housing plan appears to be tents, although I recently heard of some parking lots allowing car camping as a solution to housing problems. Actually housing people would lower house prices, which counteracts the infinite growth model of capitalism. A house is best left unused and guarded, than the price dropped.

Customer service bots suck, but that's part of the business model nowadays, you make customer service unusable to prevent people from getting rid of subscriptions.

Then you make everything a subscription.

Overall, I see a general shift to targeting higher income consumers and neglecting lower income consumers across the board.


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Re: How do you think automation/AI will transform politics in the coming decades? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28521890 - 10/29/23 01:11 AM (2 months, 28 days ago)

This is just a philosophical pipe dream.

We should have an AI that’s designed to literally ensure and enshrine the rights of human beings & the protection of the environment. And to make sure that no war or fighting ever happens again. We could try and design it to eliminate racism. We can also design it to not let people experience poverty anymore.

Basically all the stuff in the article I wrote at the bottom in my signature.

The question is, who can we trust to write it?
Someone who would have the power of a God.
But let’s say by some miracle. Thats running. Which, by the way, would be impossible, because politicians would burn, destroy hack, or otherwise bomb it at all costs.

We could literally live in a utopian society, dictated by an actual benevolent self learning program that wants the best for us. Instead of politicians…


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Re: How do you think automation/AI will transform politics in the coming decades? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28522279 - 10/29/23 12:13 PM (2 months, 28 days ago)

If any of this is gonna come to light, the real power and delegation of such will be those that program, code, etc the AI/ robot overloads. Not just form but actual content of policies and implementation and how it will surface.

I dont think most would be comfortable with a complete autonomous AI program / entity beyond reproach,  crafting soley this or that for swaths of society. That would seem to be the antithesis of a represenative government, and quite frankly, more scary than the inept people within government. Unparalleled efficiency with the rubber stamp of government, seems more chilling to me.

It would have to be co-opted  by governments/ those in power to stay relevant, when we see a "Department of _____" we will all know its gotten to that point.


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Re: How do you think automation/AI will transform politics in the coming decades? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #28522281 - 10/29/23 12:15 PM (2 months, 28 days ago)

Exactly. Government that had adopted it, and become incredibly successful. Would convince other governments to also adopt that AI for running their government.
It would be an overtime thing. But completely removing all human avarice, greed and mistakes from the equation. I can’t see how it wouldn’t be better.


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Re: How do you think automation/AI will transform politics in the coming decades? [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28522342 - 10/29/23 01:10 PM (2 months, 28 days ago)

I don't know dude, an efficient  AI system that maximizes the power of a government and supposed well being of its citizens would be considered something similar to a state secret.

Do we offer China or Russia the plans to the F-35? Why not?

No matter what occurs, the race for top spot in the world, will not go away, as this a reflection of a human trait through our representatives. I doubt AI will be able to convince a human to go against their self interest in most cases...yes, some clever politicans can, but thats a human face saying it. I think it will be much harder for a program/ AI to do it.

When you take out the greed,lies, trivial thinking, etc you don't have a human. I can guarantee you  that stuff will be implemented in the hypothetical all controlling  AI, as per above.


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Re: How do you think automation/AI will transform politics in the coming decades? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #28522363 - 10/29/23 01:21 PM (2 months, 28 days ago)

It would depend on who was making the AI. They would have to have the actual ideals of what I’m saying be held. There could be no deviation. It would have to be literally written to make everything better. So that no human error or greed could interfere anymore.
Just imagine it.

The problem is, this would be like the communist government. Times 1 billion. Because this government would be able to start taking over the world. So whoever wrote it. If they had any inclination to interfere with it at all. The ripple effects could be disastrous.

It would have to be designed in a way where It could never be interfered with or tampered with by humans ever again. Because it would be able to manage its own programming at that point. And with the programming set with the rules so it could never hurt people. I don’t see any flaw.


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Re: How do you think automation/AI will transform politics in the coming decades? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #28522366 - 10/29/23 01:26 PM (2 months, 28 days ago)

I think kind of like driving. The less human error the better. So we could start out with just having ai control like a dam. Making sure the levels are released it exactly the right times.
It’s basic concept. Then we could apply that to getting ready for a storm. People would not have any way of knowing everything as well as an AI that can study all of it. 24 hours a day constantly.

All of this depends on quantum computing, though. Because there’s a different type of Internet where it’s almost peer to peer. So it would virtually have no hacking. Kind of like if they finished making the tour net work. I can’t remember exactly what it’s called. But it’s going to be able to eliminate a lot of malfeasance and viruses and hacking. I’m sure it’ll change forms and it’ll exist in someway. But at that point when we actually have these super computers. Running these incredible tasks for us. It’ll be a lot safer. We won’t have to worry about hackers as much.
For right now having a nuclear power plant controlled by an AI would make us way to vulnerable so no one’s gonna do it.


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Re: How do you think automation/AI will transform politics in the coming decades? [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #28522377 - 10/29/23 01:33 PM (2 months, 28 days ago)

Autonomous warfare
Propaganda that is impossible to deny/verify
Artificially inflated economies that sweep disparity under the rug


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Re: How do you think automation/AI will transform politics in the coming decades? [Re: Kickle]
    #28522395 - 10/29/23 01:51 PM (2 months, 28 days ago)

These are the real concerns
Like I said. Mine was $1 billion pipe dream.
I’m gonna go play some basketball.



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Re: How do you think automation/AI will transform politics in the coming decades? [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28522480 - 10/29/23 03:07 PM (2 months, 28 days ago)

Dune, but without the space travel.

An AI capable of doing what you describe is not an AI that is under the control of humanity. So, we get the Butlerian Jihad/Skynet/literally any man v.s machine conflict, followed by a longstanding ban on AI development which becomes near religious superstition against any kind of computational processing power.


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Re: How do you think automation/AI will transform politics in the coming decades? [Re: Kryptos]
    #28522487 - 10/29/23 03:14 PM (2 months, 28 days ago)



No thanks. We need more deals like the one writers got and we can be ok
The last think we nee is a full blown Zardoz scenario…


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Re: How do you think automation/AI will transform politics in the coming decades? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28523069 - 10/30/23 06:37 AM (2 months, 27 days ago)

Driving jobs are not going to be completely replaced by autonomous trucks.

Driverless trucks are not going to make the roads any safer

It is a statistical fact that you can look up yourself. Passenger vehicle/truck accidents are 80% + assigned to the passenger vehicle
https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/safety/data-and-statistics/large-truck-and-bus-crash-facts.
No autonomous truck is going to change how shitty of drivers people are.

Autonomous trucks are not going to make the industry more efficient either, Im absolutely certain there will be semi autonomous trucks with a driver. Because there's a driver, that truck will be regulated by the FMCSA HOS rules
https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/hours-service/summary-hours-service-regulations

The only sector of trucking that might have full autonomous trucks are short haul positions. Short haul is 150 air miles or less from the terminal


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Re: How do you think automation/AI will transform politics in the coming decades? [Re: MightyWhite]
    #28523214 - 10/30/23 10:08 AM (2 months, 27 days ago)

I just think that we’re seeing prototypes right now. I do believe they are going to become obsolete. Because the auto driving systems are going to only improve.

The fact that they’re using it even though they do operate so poorly right now. Should be all the convincing you need that they are going to be used in the future.


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Re: How do you think automation/AI will transform politics in the coming decades? [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
    #28523268 - 10/30/23 11:03 AM (2 months, 27 days ago)

Not to mention the feds are just letting Tesla owners beta test that company’s self-driving system on the open roads.

The idea that they’re gonna clamp down on these businesses over public safety is a joke. Our regulatory system is circling the drain.


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Re: How do you think automation/AI will transform politics in the coming decades? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28523299 - 10/30/23 11:29 AM (2 months, 27 days ago)

It’s got a lot of catching up to do. But we have billionaires with lobbyists fighting change with legislation every single step of the way.
But we need to seriously step it up. We need curbs on AI development. Self driving cars. And a lot of this crypto.
Otherwise, we’re going to see more gigantic mistakes being made like Sam Bankman-Fried.


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Re: How do you think automation/AI will transform politics in the coming decades? [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28523332 - 10/30/23 12:03 PM (2 months, 27 days ago)

AI cars will only call regulations into question, because the inevitable decline in traffic fatalities will not happen.

What will happen, however, is a very unmistakable lesson in why the US claims 98% of crashes are due to driver error, when similar studies outside the US find only about 40% of crashes are caused by driver error.

Thankfully, we do not hold the rich among us accountable for spreading misleading statistics, especially when those misleading statistics are used to justify giving more money to the rich, while also placing blame solely on the user/poor.


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