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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: Witty] * 1
    #28513141 - 10/21/23 02:46 PM (3 months, 5 days ago)

So far, in your short time here, you've decided, in the absence of any evidence whatsoever, that I didn't bother to look at the symbol under your name next to your post to determine the gender with which you identify.  Also, you've stated your unabashed willingness to vote for someone who brazenly lied to the American people many times during his presidency.

Yeah...I make judgments.  All people judge everything every day.  That's how reason works.  So far, mine are based on a rational look at what you've said...You, on the other hand, have literally tried to shame me for conduct you made up.


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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: Enlil]
    #28513143 - 10/21/23 02:48 PM (3 months, 5 days ago)

Witty where are are those faxes!


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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28513144 - 10/21/23 02:48 PM (3 months, 5 days ago)

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So you actually are going to vote for Trump. Even though he’s going to destroy our democracy if he gets reelected.
But you think we are being haughty?




Does it really matter who I vote for? Do you really think my one vote will swing the election? If a candidate comes along that I think is a bigger shock to the system than Trump is, I'll vote for that candidate - I'm not married to Trump - but I sure as hell won't be voting for Biden.


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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28513148 - 10/21/23 02:50 PM (3 months, 5 days ago)

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Witty where are are those faxes!





I don't get it. Maybe I'm just not hip to the cool kid's lingo or the in-jokes? It wouldn't be the first time.


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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: Witty]
    #28513153 - 10/21/23 02:52 PM (3 months, 5 days ago)

You are acting like this man.

So when I say send some faxes.
What I’m really saying is that you tried to take a dump on Debra’s desk. And now you need to swallow your sadness…


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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28513155 - 10/21/23 02:55 PM (3 months, 5 days ago)

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You are acting like this man.

So when I say send some faxes.
What I’m really saying is that you tried to take a dump on Debra’s desk. And now you need to swallow your sadness…




Uh, OK. Whatever you say! I'm not gonna sit through a boring rap video. I'll just take your word for it, my biblical friend <3


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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: Witty]
    #28513159 - 10/21/23 02:56 PM (3 months, 5 days ago)

He's more of a leviticus friend...


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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: Witty]
    #28513160 - 10/21/23 02:57 PM (3 months, 5 days ago)

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I'm not gonna sit through a boring rap video. I'll just take your word for it



Like A Boss!


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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: Enlil]
    #28513162 - 10/21/23 02:58 PM (3 months, 5 days ago)

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He's more of a leviticus friend...



Thank you for noticing Enil.
You are a fair God King.

Every pull of the chain matters witty.
We all should to vote.


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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28513163 - 10/21/23 03:00 PM (3 months, 5 days ago)

Even if we can't always see eye to eye on every single thing, at the end of the day, I still love you all.


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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: Witty] * 1
    #28513166 - 10/21/23 03:01 PM (3 months, 5 days ago)



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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
    #28513169 - 10/21/23 03:04 PM (3 months, 5 days ago)

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You are acting like this man.

So when I say send some faxes.
What I’m really saying is that you tried to take a dump on Debra’s desk. And now you need to swallow your sadness…





WHAT DOES THE FAX SAY?

si=ktr0L21ejSfhWNzJ


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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: gopher]
    #28513174 - 10/21/23 03:09 PM (3 months, 5 days ago)

That’s the good stuff.


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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: ballsalsa]
    #28513492 - 10/21/23 09:09 PM (3 months, 5 days ago)

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Small towns are the most corrupt places in the US. You think fuckin DC is bad? Imagine if the chief of police was literally fucking the mayor. That's how small towns operate. There are two or three families that run the show, and everybody else gets out of the way.

Anywhere that has a population less than ~100k in the metro area is just a bad idea.




I was reading the other day about a town in Alabama that hadn't had an election for like, 100 years.  They were just running the place by divine right the whole time.  Then a black guy decided to file the paperwork to run for mayor and nobody sitting on the town council bothered with that so he ran unopposed and obviously won but the sitting mayor and council refused to accept it and they got the bank etc. to go along with them so the actual mayor and his council are locked out of their offices and have no access to the town's finances or records, etc.  Crazy shit.

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At this point anyone that starts out by saying "I'm an independent" I just assume is a Republican.




Why would you assume that? Sounds like a pretty hive minded thing to say or think. Republicans are largely an embarassment. I can name maybe 6 politicians from either major party that I think are in it for the right reasons. Democrats are truly and utterly hopeless, though. I say this as someone who voted for and campaigned for Kerry, voted for Obama twice, and campaigned for Bernie in 2016.




I'd link that Scooby Doo unmasking meme here, but I'm on mobile.

Anybody that claims to not like both parties, anybody that claims to be independent but posts in the politics forum, and anybody that claims to be non-political but posts in the politics forum, is a Republican who isn't willing to nut up and admit it.

Actual independents and non-political folk stay far away from here. And the democrats have the balls to identify themselves.

Oh, and you can also add the whole libertarian/green/no labels/any third party voters to the Republican mix. That one even applies to people that actually aren't Republican too, because of a weird mathematical quirk in the two party system. Like the three doors, one revealed trick.

Perhaps you're the special and unique chosen one who will ultimately break this assumption, but I doubt it. It has yet to fail.




I understand the sentiment here but maybe this is painting with too broad a brush or maybe the phrase "de facto" needs to be inserted here or there.  I do think it's possible to be entirely unenthused with both major parties in the U.S. without actually embracing right wing ideology even if there's an argument to be made that such a philosophy actually helps the right wingers most.




It is possible to be legitimately unenthused by both parties. However, this looks a certain way. People unenthused by both parties, but still thinking, have a tendency to explain their thinking. "Witty" here just calls others NPCs. It's really not hard to tell the extent of their thinking.

Fact is, "both sides are the same" is a Republican talking point. Outright. Now, I have, on occasion, agreed with Republican talking points, and I go out of my way to explain my thoughts on the topic.

When someone repeats Republican talking point and then retorts with "you're all a bunch of TDS-addled NPCs!" When called on their shit, it's a pretty good tell they're just a Republican that doesn't want to admit it.

Though, based on some of the crap on the last few pages, I get the feeling that witty is the Obama-Trump voter. I have, on several occasions, said what I think of the Obama-Trump voter, and that's someone that gets riled up by a charismatic speech, and has nothing else going on between their ears.


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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: Kryptos]
    #28513762 - 10/22/23 07:17 AM (3 months, 5 days ago)

We vote for charisma when we get the chance, especially the 2 term Presidents, Obama, Clinton, Reagan.

W Bush vs Gore was the battle of no charisma resulting in the near tie vote. We would have dumped W in four years but 9/11 came along and he had balls and Dick Chaney, so he got to join the club.

In 1960 Nixon won the debate on the radio and JFK won it on TV.

There wont be any more Abe Lincolns, unless he got to run against Trump, Hillary, or Biden.


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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: Kryptos]
    #28514281 - 10/22/23 02:24 PM (3 months, 4 days ago)

I think both sides used to be the same and Trump has radicalized the right. Now they want to destroy democracy. It is no longer a tit for tat 50-50 They are the same argument anymore. It is an argument for democracy versus oligarchy.


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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28514327 - 10/22/23 02:57 PM (3 months, 4 days ago)

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We vote for charisma when we get the chance, especially the 2 term Presidents, Obama, Clinton, Reagan.

W Bush vs Gore was the battle of no charisma resulting in the near tie vote. We would have dumped W in four years but 9/11 came along and he had balls and Dick Chaney, so he got to join the club.

In 1960 Nixon won the debate on the radio and JFK won it on TV.

There wont be any more Abe Lincolns, unless he got to run against Trump, Hillary, or Biden.




Charisma definitely helps, for obvious reasons. But it is only one of many factors. Especially when spread across an entire nation.

For me, the "mystery" of the Obama-Trump voter was solved by considering an Obama-Trump voter as a single issue voter, with their single issue being charisma. Now, just like any other single issue voter, there isn't really anything objectively wrong with that. The whole point of democracy is that it takes all kinds working together. But, subjectively, I draw conclusions about single-issue voters. And unfortunately, my conclusions about single issue charisma voters are pretty much the bottom of the pile. I hold single issue pro-life voters in higher regard.

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I think both sides used to be the same and Trump has radicalized the right. Now they want to destroy democracy. It is no longer a tit for tat 50-50 They are the same argument anymore. It is an argument for democracy versus oligarchy.




Both parties were never the same. That's why they're two different parties.

However, the policies of both parties do have a certain amount of overlap, and for a certain (white, decently well off) segment of the population, that overlap means that there is functionally no difference between the two parties. This has always been true, and as the party policies shifted, that overlap has shifted as well.

The fact that you think both parties *used* to be the same tells me that, at one point, you were part of the population that fit within that overlap. To you, there was no functional difference between the parties. Now, you no longer fit in that overlap, and so now you find yourself distinguishing between the two parties.

Minority groups on every extreme (i.e. minorities as we understand them, the super rich, insurance salesmen, etc.) that have never been in that overlap due to their extreme nature, have always distinguished between the two parties.


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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: Kryptos]
    #28514335 - 10/22/23 03:00 PM (3 months, 4 days ago)

I just mean for certain things. They don’t really make a big difference to me.
But I have always been a democrat.
I despise the republican party
I just think Democrats are fucking lazy foot draggers sometimes. They need to goddamn get their job done when they have the chance to do it.
If we have another opportunity to get rid of the filibuster and we don’t take it, I’m moving.


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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28514352 - 10/22/23 03:14 PM (3 months, 4 days ago)

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I just think Democrats are fucking lazy foot draggers sometimes. They need to goddamn get their job done when they have the chance to do it.




It might just appear that way because Republicans don't act in good faith.


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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: GenericHero]
    #28514361 - 10/22/23 03:22 PM (3 months, 4 days ago)

Exactly. Conceptually. Democrats are helping. Republicans conceptually aren’t. They are taking away money from social programs to inflate their own budget. They want to give bonuses to CEOs. They want to get billionaires tax cuts. That is the opposite of what we need.😒


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