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YoshiTrainer
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: A.k.a] 6
#28509814 - 10/18/23 06:19 PM (3 months, 27 days ago) |
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It makes sense to have fast or slow genetics, mushrooms certainly do what they want. I think Melgo recently fruited 0Tolerance's print like it was fast genetics while I have it sitting.
A2G Aug 14 G2G Aug 28 G2B Sep 2 Bulk crumbled to FC Sep 20 Cased, hopefully this week. 😀
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: YoshiTrainer]
#28509868 - 10/18/23 07:14 PM (3 months, 27 days ago) |
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My Mojave Myc and my Melgo are literally neck and neck speed wise. My Roscoe's are slightly behind but not considerably. Have 3 quarts millet/rye combo of Melgo consolidating now Have 4 qts millet/rye each of the Mojave Myc and the RoscoeReturns. 1 quart of each is nearly ready to rock but has only been going about 12 days. So I assume all are "fast" at this point for me, but Roscoes print was considerably larger on foil. Have some Melgo and Mojave Myc LC going as well. So hoping for a lot of Semps in my future!
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: sleepydave] 1
#28509870 - 10/18/23 07:17 PM (3 months, 27 days ago) |
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sleepydave said: My Mojave Myc and my Melgo are literally neck and neck speed wise. My Roscoe's are slightly behind but not considerably. Have 3 quarts millet/rye combo of Melgo consolidating now Have 4 qts millet/rye each of the Mojave Myc and the RoscoeReturns. 1 quart of each is nearly ready to rock but has only been going about 12 days. So I assume all are "fast" at this point for me, but Roscoes print was considerably larger on foil. Have some Melgo and Mojave Myc LC going as well. So hoping for a lot of Semps in my future!
And mine are really Melgo’s twice removed. My original print was a grow from a Melgo print. They should be the same unless we’re seeing active selection right here in this thread.
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: RoscoeReturns] 4
#28509904 - 10/18/23 07:53 PM (3 months, 27 days ago) |
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The print that I sent to you came from my grow off a Melgo print. Melgo got that print from alaskappalachian. I sent alaskappalachian a print because he had given all his prints away. I don’t know where he obtained his original print. The genealogy is convoluted.
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: The Tao] 3
#28510031 - 10/18/23 10:16 PM (3 months, 27 days ago) |
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It's a mess 
I think ultimately the majority, of not all, of what we are seeing here is traceable to Captain Future or SW. I released a few here but that would have been the same time frame. I also released a bunch across several sites. Anyways everything* is traceable to two releases by SW from there. The new release is not quite the same to me. So now there's how many years between releases? A lot. With countless people world wide. The only thing even remotely under our control is here. * With Xico I think the chances of it coming here unannounced are reasonably slim. I believe Yoshi has it. Could be wrong. Mighty high. So now factor in the agar rule of thumb here. The selection and isolating on agar. Every time. Now don't get me wrong. I love agar but it has it's place and it's a tool one needs to be careful with. I know our little friends have protective systems but each time one transfers you loose just a little bit more. With each spore generation there's just a little less diversity. Now that's great if you're going for a desired trait but not always great when it leads to genetic bottle necking. Not saying we are culturing them to extinction but there's a good chance we've agar'd ourselves into never seeing the old school look again. So damn it Melgo. Looks like I'm digging out my oldest prints and working backwards.  Last attempt with the first I ever took didn't fire up, but I still have a few from later generations. They'd be over ten years old but I might get lucky. I'll throw this in the pile with the rest of the rebuild projects and get on it.. Well, when I'm not so high.
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: the_chosen_one] 2
#28510061 - 10/18/23 11:10 PM (3 months, 27 days ago) |
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Just nocced 3 cakes with an unreasonable amount of spore solution from a vendor who will not be named due to rules.
Been having a hard time germinating anything on agar so I decided fuckit
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: the_chosen_one] 2
#28510212 - 10/19/23 04:39 AM (3 months, 27 days ago) |
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@ReverendMyc thanks a lot for the Hydroton tip!
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YoshiTrainer said: Melgo, maybe try using your favorite strain and slowing your process down to see if you get a stronger end product?
Yep, I can defo try that! Will let you know 
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The Tao said: The print that I sent to you came from my grow off a Melgo print. Melgo got that print from alaskappalachian. I sent alaskappalachian a print because he had given all his prints away. I don’t know where he obtained his original print. The genealogy is convoluted.
alaskappalachian got his first print from Riverbum or Nosf3ratu. None of them replied to my messages. Dead end there.
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the_chosen_one said: It's a mess 
I think ultimately the majority, of not all, of what we are seeing here is traceable to Captain Future or SW. I released a few here but that would have been the same time frame. I also released a bunch across several sites. Anyways everything* is traceable to two releases by SW from there. The new release is not quite the same to me. So now there's how many years between releases? A lot. With countless people world wide. The only thing even remotely under our control is here. * With Xico I think the chances of it coming here unannounced are reasonably slim. I believe Yoshi has it. Could be wrong. Mighty high. So now factor in the agar rule of thumb here. The selection and isolating on agar. Every time. Now don't get me wrong. I love agar but it has it's place and it's a tool one needs to be careful with. I know our little friends have protective systems but each time one transfers you loose just a little bit more. With each spore generation there's just a little less diversity. Now that's great if you're going for a desired trait but not always great when it leads to genetic bottle necking. Not saying we are culturing them to extinction but there's a good chance we've agar'd ourselves into never seeing the old school look again. So damn it Melgo. Looks like I'm digging out my oldest prints and working backwards.  Last attempt with the first I ever took didn't fire up, but I still have a few from later generations. They'd be over ten years old but I might get lucky. I'll throw this in the pile with the rest of the rebuild projects and get on it.. Well, when I'm not so high.

It is a mess indeed 
But we are all cheering for you reviving it somehow
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Melgo] 4
#28510227 - 10/19/23 05:14 AM (3 months, 27 days ago) |
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TBH I don't care where these little Beauties came from. Just can't wait to eat some.
Shame most of this agar is going in the trash. Already have a good jar of LC from the first germ plate. Only thing I plan to do with these is make another LC jar since these came from a second spore plate.



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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: the_chosen_one] 1
#28510274 - 10/19/23 07:03 AM (3 months, 27 days ago) |
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the_chosen_one said: It's a mess 
I think ultimately the majority, of not all, of what we are seeing here is traceable to Captain Future or SW. I released a few here but that would have been the same time frame. I also released a bunch across several sites. Anyways everything* is traceable to two releases by SW from there. The new release is not quite the same to me. So now there's how many years between releases? A lot. With countless people world wide. The only thing even remotely under our control is here. * With Xico I think the chances of it coming here unannounced are reasonably slim. I believe Yoshi has it. Could be wrong. Mighty high. So now factor in the agar rule of thumb here. The selection and isolating on agar. Every time. Now don't get me wrong. I love agar but it has it's place and it's a tool one needs to be careful with. I know our little friends have protective systems but each time one transfers you loose just a little bit more. With each spore generation there's just a little less diversity. Now that's great if you're going for a desired trait but not always great when it leads to genetic bottle necking. Not saying we are culturing them to extinction but there's a good chance we've agar'd ourselves into never seeing the old school look again. So damn it Melgo. Looks like I'm digging out my oldest prints and working backwards.  Last attempt with the first I ever took didn't fire up, but I still have a few from later generations. They'd be over ten years old but I might get lucky. I'll throw this in the pile with the rest of the rebuild projects and get on it.. Well, when I'm not so high.

This is why I’ve always made a point to collect spores from as wide a variety of phenos as possible and go to grain with germ plates or if not then asap. The domesticated cubes are cool cuz they’re reliable but I really love getting as much diversity as possible to see what’s in there. I wish it was possible to back cross some wild/early genetics into a lot of cube varieties.
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: RoscoeReturns] 1
#28510280 - 10/19/23 07:11 AM (3 months, 27 days ago) |
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Duly noted! I dont expect a lot of variance but thought if would be cool to run them simultaneously and see what we see for morphological differences. Take notes, repeat. To be honest, the three I have are indistinguishable up to 400x to me.
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sleepydave said: My Mojave Myc and my Melgo are literally neck and neck speed wise. My Roscoe's are slightly behind but not considerably. Have 3 quarts millet/rye combo of Melgo consolidating now Have 4 qts millet/rye each of the Mojave Myc and the RoscoeReturns. 1 quart of each is nearly ready to rock but has only been going about 12 days. So I assume all are "fast" at this point for me, but Roscoes print was considerably larger on foil. Have some Melgo and Mojave Myc LC going as well. So hoping for a lot of Semps in my future!
And mine are really Melgo’s twice removed. My original print was a grow from a Melgo print. They should be the same unless we’re seeing active selection right here in this thread.
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: A.k.a] 1
#28510334 - 10/19/23 09:20 AM (3 months, 27 days ago) |
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Yeah I always try and go from a germ plate to LC if it looks clean to me!
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: RockinRobot] 3
#28510433 - 10/19/23 11:39 AM (3 months, 27 days ago) |
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RockinRobot said: TBH I don't care where these little Beauties came from. Just can't wait to eat some.
Shame most of this agar is going in the trash. Already have a good jar of LC from the first germ plate. Only thing I plan to do with these is make another LC jar since these came from a second spore plate.




No not the trash! You're supposed to pack them up and loose them in your refrigerator for a few years. So..
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: the_chosen_one] 4
#28510439 - 10/19/23 11:55 AM (3 months, 27 days ago) |
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A mess indeed.
But to your point about agar and limiting the genetics. We are just talking about the cultures that we are distributing, right? Assuming that they are still out there in their original form in the wild. We just need more folks out in the field identifying, collecting and sharing, right? Right? Easy for me to say in the desert where nothing grows in the wild.
I am now putting together your observation about the turned up tops and the fast genetics. Wonder if we are domesticating subtrops into sub-varieties like cubes. I guess that was your point about agar and this whole post was pointless. Well I already typed it so I am hitting post anyway.
 
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: ReverendMyc] 6
#28510447 - 10/19/23 12:08 PM (3 months, 27 days ago) |
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The plate was initially covered in condensation so it spread the mycelium everywhere.
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: the_chosen_one] 2
#28510769 - 10/19/23 04:18 PM (3 months, 26 days ago) |
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the_chosen_one said:
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Vast218 said: I’m confused about lineage. Is Heim and Cailleux lineage desirable or are we saying there are better options out there? I ask because Heim and Cailleux is a what a trusted vendor is offering.
That would be Workman. He's the one that fired up and blessed us with the original find around 2007 I think it was. At the time I believe they were on the endangered species list in Mexico so some of us were sending spores to Cactu who was reintroducing them via slurry back into the wild. A few years later they came off the list. So there could be some concern regarding wild vs transplant. The only other find I'm aware of atm is Xico. Which I heard about here.
A guy on Facebook in a spore trading group maybe named roger?? Has been wild foraging prints out of the Mexican rainforest as recently as last month. That's the only mention of wild Subtropicalis I've ever seen. He's selling regularly though.
It might take while a but, but I can dig the specifics up if someone wants to expand this wild culture. I've been pulling knowledge out of here like a dry sponge lol.
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: JFlowMan] 2
#28511308 - 10/20/23 01:46 AM (3 months, 26 days ago) |
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I would love to see some wild subtropicalis prints moving around, just to get more exiting stuff.. maybe different phenos. Would be nice!
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: 0t0lerance] 4
#28511314 - 10/20/23 02:04 AM (3 months, 26 days ago) |
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Waiting for several fresh (2023) subtropicalis wild spores from Mexico ordered from known vendor. But it will take time.
Edited by ekabpils (10/20/23 02:06 AM)
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: ekabpils]
#28511316 - 10/20/23 02:09 AM (3 months, 26 days ago) |
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ekabpils said: Waiting for several fresh (2023) subtropicalis wild spores from Mexico ordered from known vendor. But it will take time.
excellent!!!
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: chris77]
#28511367 - 10/20/23 05:34 AM (3 months, 26 days ago) |
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Epic
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Vast218] 4
#28511431 - 10/20/23 07:23 AM (3 months, 26 days ago) |
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Shouldn't be too much longer... First 2 pics Inoculated 10/4 with agar 3rd 5 days later on the 9th. Both shaken 3 days ago and recovered immediately.


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