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Pinkerton
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How do you prove the paranormal?
#28510517 - 10/19/23 01:10 PM (3 months, 8 days ago) |
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I have experienced the paranormal crystal clear, ergo the evidence is there, but how to prove?
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Re: How do you prove the paranormal? [Re: Pinkerton]
#28510525 - 10/19/23 01:14 PM (3 months, 8 days ago) |
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Submit your evidence.
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Re: How do you prove the paranormal? [Re: Rahz]
#28510527 - 10/19/23 01:16 PM (3 months, 8 days ago) |
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The evidence is me.
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Re: How do you prove the paranormal? [Re: Pinkerton]
#28510537 - 10/19/23 01:21 PM (3 months, 8 days ago) |
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In the scientific method other people should be able to reproduce your experiences or results. Otherwise it is subjective not objective.
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Re: How do you prove the paranormal? [Re: VP123]
#28510551 - 10/19/23 01:28 PM (3 months, 8 days ago) |
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Is it not possible being trustworthy enough?
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Re: How do you prove the paranormal? [Re: Pinkerton]
#28510555 - 10/19/23 01:29 PM (3 months, 8 days ago) |
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Pinkerton said: The evidence is me.
Can you pull a rabbit out of a hat?
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Re: How do you prove the paranormal? [Re: Pinkerton] 1
#28510584 - 10/19/23 01:43 PM (3 months, 8 days ago) |
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Pinkerton said: Is it not possible being trustworthy enough?
What if the experience is due to mental illness or the effect of drugs? The most logical explanation would be hallucinations rather than the existence of the paranormal. How can we distinguish one from the other? Being trustworthy enough could be, and it is used, all the time as an argument to commit frauds.
If you claim to have especial faculties like ESP you could be subjected to tests to see if what you can perceive is better than randomly guessing. There are statistical tools to measure that.
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Re: How do you prove the paranormal? [Re: VP123]
#28510596 - 10/19/23 01:48 PM (3 months, 8 days ago) |
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Being trustworthy enough could be, and it is used, all the time as an argument to commit frauds.
Then you are not trustworthy enough.
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Re: How do you prove the paranormal? [Re: Pinkerton]
#28510604 - 10/19/23 01:54 PM (3 months, 8 days ago) |
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Pinkerton said: Being trustworthy enough could be, and it is used, all the time as an argument to commit frauds.
Then you are not trustworthy enough.
The burden is not on me since I am not making claims that cannot be independently verified.
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Re: How do you prove the paranormal? [Re: VP123]
#28510608 - 10/19/23 01:57 PM (3 months, 8 days ago) |
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I never said you did.
Read the bold part in my post.
Edited by Pinkerton (10/19/23 01:58 PM)
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Re: How do you prove the paranormal? [Re: Pinkerton]
#28510624 - 10/19/23 02:11 PM (3 months, 8 days ago) |
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Ok my bad. I shouldn't be trusted. We agree on that. For that particular reason, any claims made should be independently verified.
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Re: How do you prove the paranormal? [Re: VP123]
#28510699 - 10/19/23 03:15 PM (3 months, 7 days ago) |
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btw, para normal is not the same as ab normal, so there is that.
how would you prove ab normal
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Re: How do you prove the paranormal? [Re: Pinkerton]
#28510742 - 10/19/23 03:45 PM (3 months, 7 days ago) |
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All scientific discovery should be preoccupied with the paranormal, except it is a captive industry.
The problem is that you are trying deprogram a commissar of his Pavlovian training.
You can offer substitutions, within their ingrained value system, but not cause them to go against brute instinct without causing some kind of nerve damage.
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RGVs can attest to my paranormal claims.
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Re: How do you prove the paranormal? [Re: durian_2008]
#28510870 - 10/19/23 05:54 PM (3 months, 7 days ago) |
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durian_2008 said: All scientific discovery should be preoccupied with the paranormal, except it is a captive industry. ...
I find that quite a bit of scientific evidence presented in experiments does not mean what the experimenter thinks it means. this is pretty hallucinatory.
and yeah, pinky is para
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Ultimately I am a big proponent of the idea that 'Seeing is believing'.. with regards to paranormal behavior..
If you are IN the occult if you ARE initiated there is only time to take before you experience this with another person..
You can belive without seeing..
But ultimately I will play the 'Proof is in the pudding' card.
1. You experience a paranormal event.
2. You attempt to show or share with another person a paranormal event.
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Re: How do you prove the paranormal? [Re: BrendanFlock]
#28511336 - 10/20/23 03:49 AM (3 months, 7 days ago) |
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such as, from personal experience, which paranormal event might you mean?
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Synchronicities.
Magic tricks..
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I believe that mystical and superstitious circumstances are governed by rules of their own, so are scientific.
But, most, common everyday materialists will go through different forms of blindness, amnesia, and shock when face-to-face with some stimulus, which they consider to be irrational or traumatic.
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John Hetherington is a presumed apocryphal English haberdasher, often credited as the inventor of the top hat, which is said to have caused a riot when he first wore it in public on 15 January 1797.
The common form of the story, as reproduced in many books, has it that he was arraigned before the Lord Mayor on 15 January 1797 on a charge of breach of the peace and inciting a riot, and was required to post a £500 bond (equivalent to £55,090 in 2021). Reportedly he had "appeared on the public highway wearing upon his head what he called a silk hat (which was shiny lustre and calculated to frighten timid people)" and the officers of the Crown stated that "several women fainted at the unusual sight, while children screamed, dogs yelped and a younger son of Cordwainer Thomas was thrown down by the crowd which collected and had his right arm broken".
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I maintain that what is typically called supernatural can be perceived through the five ordinary senses and can be explained in English, by a skilled-enough speaker to patient-enough listener.
Further, every new discovery made by the 'materialists' was para-normal, before becoming normalized.
It amounts to a processing disorder and a failure to communicate.
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Re: How do you prove the paranormal? [Re: durian_2008]
#28511725 - 10/20/23 12:30 PM (3 months, 7 days ago) |
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You prove the paranormal through stress hygiene, the classical unities, and popularity contests.
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