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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: redgreenvines]
#28562579 - 11/30/23 06:01 PM (1 month, 27 days ago) |
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Just because the scope of our psyche is infinite that does not mean that we can't define things within it. There's many cognitive systems that are running in parallel but we are still single processor creatures. We can turn body movements over to automatic systems but cognition flows to a single point of focus. Everything is running at high speed through that single point. You cannot write or sing and then read something else at the exact same time. They both cross that point going in different directions. Like while you are reading this you cannot hear the actual words in a song playing in the background. You can jump quickly between the two to understand them both but not do them simultaneously.
That is the point of processing where thoughts happen in real time. So somewhere in this incredibly fast stream of process a decision has to pass this single point to be a thought at a particular moment.
This is all highly speculative and theoretical though.
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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: Northerner]
#28563110 - 11/30/23 11:35 PM (1 month, 27 days ago) |
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Northerner said: Just because the scope of our psyche is infinite that does not mean that we can't define things within it. Despite all these systems that are running in parallel we are still single processor creatures. We can turn body movements over to automatic systems but cognitively there's only one point. You cannot write or sing and then read something else at the same time. They both cross that point going in opposite directions.
That is the point of processing where decisions are made in real time. Denying it exists is the same as denying consciousness exists. Can't define it exactly, therefore it doesn't exist.
Please explain further, but be aware that we are not like computers, and essentially we are always more than one thing at a time - this is the essence of associative mind. Associative mind is every ~1/10th of a second interconnecting changing mental content from every sensation and muscle activation and perception channel AND at the same time evoking memory (the act of perception) on every channel that is similar (on a gestalt level) to the current mental contents (in a way that is illustrated in the program when you click the brainfart in my signature.)
This is what is happening in real time, similarities are being reactivated by what we experience. It is a navigation through familiarity. AND besides navigating through familiarity, current mental content shifts to recent mental content in a fraction of a second; which is more easily reactivated providing short term memory effects, which assist in keeping us on topic. SO the illusion produced is that we are busy doing things and operating as a computer, but we are, instead, navigating like a fish.
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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: Northerner] 1
#28563125 - 12/01/23 12:04 AM (1 month, 27 days ago) |
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Northerner said: I've encountered a lot of entities over the years. I remember some encounters vividly even many years later, often still unsure of the significance, or even if there is any. These experiences are often stronger than many real life encounters with people but we don't really get the chance to talk about them.
Tell us about entities you have encountered. Did they have positive, negative or neutral intent? Did they speak to you? What did they say? Was the speech audible or psychic? Were they visible or invisible? What form did they take? How did you sense their presence? How did you feel during the experience? How did you feel after the experience?
I know that's a lot of questions and don't feel obliged to answer them all. It's just some things that help delineate the different types of entities people encounter, which can help others identify with what you have experienced.
That's deep and profound.
Yes, many.
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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: Nichrome]
#28563131 - 12/01/23 12:13 AM (1 month, 27 days ago) |
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Nichrome said:
Yes, many.
Oh, it’s more than 3.
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A lot more than 3 yes.
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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: redgreenvines] 1
#28563220 - 12/01/23 02:22 AM (1 month, 26 days ago) |
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I edited my response before you posted as I failed to word what I wanted to say correctly. So there's other points there.
I disagree, I see us as acting as a supreme form of organic computing. Many subroutines, many processes, many inputs and outputs running through different levels and stages with data stored as energy running across it all, just like silicon. The supreme part being is that our processing is not restricted to binary and our I/O's are much more complex. We constantly acquire more data and turn that into information, then use that information to apply to other processes. Just like a computer, short term data and often used data is ready to be called upon instantly, and less used data requires more effort to recall. We are astoundingly like computers in this way.
The real illusion is that we believe we are completely in control when in fact we are acting the things we think about, literally. Even though we make decisions based around what we think from the sum of available information we act in the way that is qualitative of the information we are processing. They've done experiments on people and got them to do crosswords where the answers to one set of questions is polite and the answers to another offensive. The latter group behaved rudely towards the researchers but were unaware of it at the time.
Possibly this is why people have religious and spiritual experiences. If you're thinking about things then they manifest as part of your experience. We don't choose that, we just do it. That is the illusion of choice and the root of the phrase "change your mind, change your world". It's not about changing conclusions, it's about changing mental processes that lead to unchosen outcomes. But that does not forego decisions.
I'll try to stop derailing my own thread now.
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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: Northerner]
#28563295 - 12/01/23 04:55 AM (1 month, 26 days ago) |
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If you click my signature's brain fart icon, you can interact with a demo that shows how a partial signal cue (resembling a part of a learned memory engram) through a process of electrical field activation (the fields are transient not stored) and branched axon "broadcasting" of that local field event (eg. sensory nerve UP). the active branch forms ARC protein when connecting to remote cortical neurons if they are active - [thus forming memory engrams - AKA synchronous activation - what fires together wires together], and if they are resting, and a quorum of other branched axons also touch it - then the resting neuron is reactivated and the memory pattern is restored.
using this demo, you can restore most of a memory engram differently with different partial samples (clicking in the upper left). clicking in the upper right you can see how the branches work. let it learn other images and see how the same system behaves and note that some spillover in perception ensues.
also note that it is never 100% like data, so not like computers, and though there are processes occurring at different speeds they are not like computers either except for the 6-layer cortex part that detects motion before perception can occur, and which hides what is not changing from resonant mental contents (by blocking local thalamic feedback for the column).
I appreciate the derailing of the thread.
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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: Northerner]
#28563312 - 12/01/23 05:44 AM (1 month, 26 days ago) |
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Yeah, stopped when I read the thread title again. Appreciate the viewpoints and the effort. Very clear that even we don't agree we have a concerted interest , almost passion about this issue.
Lots to digest and think about and I will do such.
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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: Northerner] 1
#28563317 - 12/01/23 05:58 AM (1 month, 26 days ago) |
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Northerner said: I'll try to stop derailing my own thread now. 
I keep bouncing out of the thread because I keep derailing it. Or I start a post and then delete it lol. Fun conversation though.
I mentioned in the was it level 5? thread I saw entities only on the entrance and exit to that trip.
A horde of gnashing teeth. On the entrance (to the level 5 'space') I was spinning in a circle, building a blue crystal barrier between myself and the horde. On the exit, I saw them again, all tense and I had been curled up on the coach for probably an hour or more. When I stretched all of the entities stretched and were soothed.
I think I might have been seeing dukkha. Thirst. Unsatisfactoriness. The suffering of the human condition. I think in the level 5 space I had put myself beyond it. The othershore beyond birth and death.
More recently I was in level 3/4 territory. I mentioned this much earlier in the thread. But I remember seeing 'desire' specifically at one point. And it was very similar to the horde of gnashing teeth. Only more insectile (actually, more like pill bugs/rolly polys which are anthropods I believe). It started off as a horde of gnashing psychedelic teeth. But when I really really looked into it (with samadhi/one pointed awareness), it turned into a pill bug and I could feel energy draining out of it and back into my body.
I was meditating in that recent experience (and on about 15g fresh sclerotia).
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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: tree frog]
#28563332 - 12/01/23 06:20 AM (1 month, 26 days ago) |
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I think pill bugs are edible, if it comes down to that. couple of days ago, on shrooms, on a washroom break from playing cards at the kitchen table and discussing "heavy" topics, I got a full on mandala vision while peeing sitting down.
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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: redgreenvines]
#28563345 - 12/01/23 06:45 AM (1 month, 26 days ago) |
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Some day I'd like a masculine Avolakita statue (that's the multi-armed Bodhisattva pictured). I have a nice Kwan Yin and a Buddha.

I think the first time I saw a mandela like that was on DOC. I'd seen the geometry on vaped DMT years earlier. During the DOC trip I realized that the Buddha was a human being like me and saw the mandela at the same time.
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#28563369 - 12/01/23 07:16 AM (1 month, 26 days ago) |
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I only have dope crayons and computers
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#28563417 - 12/01/23 08:01 AM (1 month, 26 days ago) |
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The only entities I have ever encountered exhibited trickster behavior. Never compassionate nor completely evil, although some of its communication did hurt me.
One was an industrialized steam factory....gears, forging, grease. The composition of the entities was smoke and digital pixels, but somehow the appearance was extremely vivid and in living color. I cant draw a stick figure right, wish I could. Without a trip report, the factory operation seemed to be in motion only when I reacted to the poking fun of my weakness.
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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: SirTripAlot]
#28563650 - 12/01/23 11:24 AM (1 month, 26 days ago) |
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Why do you think you only attract trickster spirits? Do you like tricking people?
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coyote the trickster is a good friend to native americans
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One-time I found myself with a peculiar view of perception where I could see into 2 worlds at once. Both were chaotic alien landscapes and they were seperated by a fat line of static running vertically through my vision. The line did not remain in one place though it moved from side to side in a random fashion, revealing more and less of each world as it moved. Not unlike a slightly out of sync "H Hold" on a CRT television, except side to side, not top to bottom.
In the world on the right of the static I noticed that there.was something there glowing gold in the distance. There was a hill rolling away from me on an angle and the gold light grew brighter as it drew nearer. Then I could see it was a long haired creature moving towards me. It seemed to be humanoid despite looking like a radiant Cousin It and had no feet. It floated towards me as the ground was rolling away from me under it. It drew closer, close enough for me to seen clearly what it was, it was hard for me to tell it's intention.
Then the scene ended and i was whisked away.
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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: Northerner]
#28563713 - 12/01/23 12:22 PM (1 month, 26 days ago) |
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Moderator came and banned you from the forum.
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#28563867 - 12/01/23 02:11 PM (1 month, 26 days ago) |
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redgreenvines said: coyote the trickster is a good friend to native americans
I've seen both good and evil trickster spirits. I think the evil ones were lingering stuff from being teased as a kid. Faces sticking their tongues out, shit like that.
The coyote type energy I've also seen as kitsune. Nine tailed fox spirit. It's tails a fractal spanning all across space and time.
Mostly I see snakes though. Some small some big. Saw a giant one once that I believe was a manifestation of spacetime. Both the giver and taker of all life. The belly of the beast we all manifest from and return to when we die, to transform into something else.
Impermanence herself. Change.
If I have a God or Goddess, that is her.
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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: tree frog]
#28564470 - 12/01/23 09:19 PM (1 month, 26 days ago) |
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After listening to a TM lecture where he mentioned using your voice to manufacture objects in hyperspace I decided to give it my best try. The sound vibration caused so much turbulence it was like throwing bait into a koi pond. Very chaotic. I was sort bracing myself. Here it comes.
A tube like appendage or organ, hell I have no clue what it was entered my slack jaw mouth and I could feel the sensation of it sliding down along the walls of my throat. The best I can describe it is like an alien esophagus sliding inside of my esophagus. Like they were nested tightly together. It was a little too strange for me at the time and sort of snapped me out of it. I stopped making sound immediately and everything started collapsing and pulling away and was gone as fast as it had come on. I haven’t tried to doing it again. Guess it spooked me. Lol
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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: what-ok] 1
#28564683 - 12/02/23 02:30 AM (1 month, 25 days ago) |
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I've played around with vaping DMT and singing. Or maybe DMT taught me to sing lol
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