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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 2
    #28560235 - 11/29/23 12:53 AM (1 month, 29 days ago)

Fair.  I was stoned and didn't think through the closed eye visuals.  And I'm sorry to be dismissive.

I've definitely been in some deep places.  I feel like it maps well to Buddhist cosmology.  I don't know that it's internal or external, self or other.  When I'm actually in it, these types of rationalizations put an end to the experience.  It can't be grasped like that.

I do think the coming home feeling does have to do with a return to more abstract, childlike thinking.  Return of beginner's mind.


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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: Northerner]
    #28560312 - 11/29/23 05:06 AM (1 month, 28 days ago)

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Studies have concluded that we have about 7 thoughts or "conceptual entities" a second, and there's multiple synaptic systems feeding these entities. Being able to identify one of these entities (thoughts) as a decision making point should be impossible, it's far too complicated and fast. But we understand that lots of things we can't see or pinpoint exist. What we can't control is instinctive base emotions, excitement, anger, lust, fear, etc. though we can control how we react to them, how we respond to that stimuli. By controlling the reaction we can control the chain of emotions and choices that we are making consistently. It's like controlling water.

"7 conceptual entities" is a curious choice of words for researchers. Like there's seven seperate threads of thought happening simultaneously in our minds, that could maybe explain how our minds can fracture and seemingly alive entities can exist in our psyche whilst the other entities observe it and give feedback.




Very interesting, so "they" are saying our mind automatically defaults/ produces/ helps create archetypes associated with fairy tales, religion, and aliens? That doesn't seem the most scientific explanation,  IMO. I mean why those specific things?

Do you have a link for that?


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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: tree frog]
    #28560329 - 11/29/23 05:34 AM (1 month, 28 days ago)

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I do think the coming home feeling does have to do with a return to more abstract, childlike thinking.  Return of beginner's mind.



the feeling of familiarity expands as a sequence of sensation and perception (i.e. mental contents) has more ramifications, or connections.
This is definitely an extension of the sense of having navigated home.

finding ones place (home) is probably the essential raison d'etre for consciousness to have evolved in living things that move (starting with the simplest worms).


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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: SirTripAlot] * 1
    #28560370 - 11/29/23 06:34 AM (1 month, 28 days ago)

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Very interesting, so "they" are saying our mind automatically defaults/ produces/ helps create archetypes associated with fairy tales, religion, and aliens? That doesn't seem the most scientific explanation,  IMO. I mean why those specific things?

Do you have a link for that?



That's not what I said. A "conceptual entity" is just a seperate thought/concept, that's all. That's why I put it in quotations so it stood out as a phrase with a specific meaning.

Interesting that you extrapolated what I said to mean all sorts of specific things about brain function processes and archetypes though. :strokebeard:


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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: Northerner]
    #28560387 - 11/29/23 06:50 AM (1 month, 28 days ago)

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Very interesting, so "they" are saying our mind automatically defaults/ produces/ helps create archetypes associated with fairy tales, religion, and aliens? That doesn't seem the most scientific explanation,  IMO. I mean why those specific things?

Do you have a link for that?



That's not what I said. A "conceptual entity" is just a seperate thought/concept, that's all. That's why I put it in quotations so it stood out as a phrase with a specific meaning.

Interesting that you extrapolated what I said to mean all sorts of specific things about brain function processes and archetypes though. :strokebeard:



you used a scientist's idiosynchratic term "entity" for "engram" which more widely is used (not that wide) to describe a gestalt of interconnected mental contents.
while SirTripsALot is referring to culturally overlapping archetypes, which are conceptual placeholders for which most people have some sort of mental picture about.


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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28560395 - 11/29/23 07:02 AM (1 month, 28 days ago)

I can see what he thought.


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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: Northerner]
    #28560400 - 11/29/23 07:06 AM (1 month, 28 days ago)

bonus :highfive:


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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28560440 - 11/29/23 07:53 AM (1 month, 28 days ago)

Just want to give a big thanks for all the insight. I don’t usual share so much. I appreciate you all.

After sharing my stories and posing these questions I immediately realize with a chuckle that I don’t actually want the answer to any of this. To get the answer sounds ludicrous anyways. Haha.

The path I’m on including all these experiences reminds me it’s not necessarily the path of learning. I see it as a path of remembering. We’ve been through this so many times before.  (=


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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: Northerner] * 1
    #28560471 - 11/29/23 08:54 AM (1 month, 28 days ago)

I've encountered many entities as well. The one that is consistent is a real badass. I encounter him when I smoke DMT. He knows everything about me and makes me look at myself in a way that is completely uncompromising. He uses various ingenious means to show me my shadow and "encourages" me to grow up and take responsibility.


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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: what-ok]
    #28560473 - 11/29/23 08:56 AM (1 month, 28 days ago)

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I always set intention to these experiences and the intention is usually one of humility and surrender. I ask whatever I’m working with to show, to teach. I’m completely open to it.

For me, contact with the entity/other also comes with a huge wave of emotion. Emotions best described as having this feeling of finally returning home or back to a place you are familiar with or had forgotten. Usually the experience has a deep hit of the feminine, motherly, warm, safe. Are these just fantastic memories/dreams? Why am I experiencing this feeling of homecoming from highly colored crawling geometric landscapes that seem so completely alien to my ideas of  home?



:whathesaid: I’m right there with ya. The truth of home is so obvious in that moment and fleeting as I come out of that space. What was felt as real and true shifts back to only knowing it conceptually.

The visions are absolutely not expected or anything I could normally come up with but I recognize and see related to tribal art of the American west and very rarely Hindu.

When analyzing it I’m always split between this experience being either deep ancestral knowledge or just how the human brain reacts to certain stimuli.
Perhaps they are one and the same, but it’s so curious.


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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 2
    #28560540 - 11/29/23 10:05 AM (1 month, 28 days ago)

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On the other hand.
Today I was laying in the bathtub. With my eyes closed. Tripping on some ayahuasca and a beautiful, feminine spirit kind of just showed up. She took me places. She showed me things. I got to see art that literally brought me to tears. Then she left. The energy of her was gone. I was sad that she left. But I was not unhappy with what I was shown.
I like to think of that as being an external thing.
But some people like to rationalize that is just being us in the throes of our compounds.
I think it’s debatable.
But not everyone has had a real spiritual experience before.



I think we have spiritual experiences all the time. We are not open to it so we are unaware.


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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: loladoreen]
    #28560569 - 11/29/23 10:27 AM (1 month, 28 days ago)

Here’s my futile attempt of representing the coming home space I mentioned in my post.



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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: what-ok] * 1
    #28560632 - 11/29/23 11:25 AM (1 month, 28 days ago)

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Here’s my futile attempt of representing the coming home space I mentioned in my post.





It looks like a very warm place to recharge your batteries, even if you are not a member of the BORG.


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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: Northerner] * 2
    #28560796 - 11/29/23 01:27 PM (1 month, 28 days ago)

Good points. I'd like to add that the technique of "Thought Stopping" utilized in cognitive behavioral therapy does prevent those emotions from happening in the first place or from continuing. It is one of the most effective techniques available and very useful in treating depression. The idea is that, with the exception of emotions secondary to physiological reactions (like fight or flight), the thoughts that precede an emotion result in the feelings we have. Our minds produce constant chatter. Much of which is not useful, illogical or simply untrue.

For example the thought - "I am a failure". We start by identifying the thought - that is, by developing an awareness of our thoughts as they come down.

Once we identify a thought that is disturbing, we evaluate it, sometimes utilizing Socratic questioning. Is it true? What evidence do you have for and against the thought? Its usually not 100% true or even close. That lets us know that it is a target for thought stopping.

What if it is true? Then we look at whether it is useful. For example - the disturbing thought, "I am late paying my bills" is potentially both true AND useful. You don't want to stop a thought that will lead to positive behavior, like paying your bills. However, to ruminate over bills that were late in the past is not useful. Its self-deprecatory. While "I am a failure" may well be true to some degree, it is usually an overgeneralized, attributing total failure when one task was failed. If it is not true or useful, it is a target for thought stopping.

Next, we develop replacement thoughts. An example for the thought above could be "I failed to meet a deadline at work, but I am good at what I do and well respected/liked at work".

Once we have the replacement thoughts developed for negative thoughts of a high frequency, we learn the stopping technique. It sounds simple, even silly, but is highly effective. I have utilized it myself for thoughts related to something that happened decades ago. My obsessive thinking about something that HAD BEEN true but is not true NOW was far from useful. It was difficult to stop the thought at first, but with practice I was able to actually stop the persistent thought and replace it with one that better represented my reality.

The stopping technique is basically - Picture a large STOP sign directly in front of you while shouting (if alone lol) "Stop". If in public, you simply think "Stop". You have to really believe the thought is not true and/or not useful and you need to be forceful in reigning in your out-of control brain. Treat the thought like an outsider - not as one you own - that is hurting you. I will use swear words to get tough with my thoughts sometimes. Once you have stopped the thought, you move to replace it with one that is true or more useful.

So, if we can think more clearly, we can avoid needing to stop emotions, because it is the thought that triggers the emotion.

I have developed this analogy:

Picture a snow-capped mountaintop. As the snow thaws in the Spring, the water (your thoughts) starts to flow down the mountain. It finds paths that form rivulets that grow and flow through these paths, digging the channels deeper. I equate this with neural pathways, as the more we think something, the more likely we think that again. practice makes "perfect", even when we are practicing negative thoughts. So we need to dam up the flow through channels that are not useful (thought stopping), and redirect (thought replacement) the water (thoughts) to where it is harmless or useful, like for irrigation. We dig new channels (neural pathways) and in time the melting snow flows through these and makes them deeper and more habitual.

It seems to me that we can indeed choose our thoughts, depending on your definition of "choose". I am using the common perception of what it means.

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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: redgreenvines] * 5
    #28560819 - 11/29/23 01:42 PM (1 month, 28 days ago)

Great thread! I’ve read through the first couple pages and will continue to make my way through it, I really appreciate all the interesting descriptions.

To add one of my own: Recently I took some MDMA, smoked some cannabis, and while peaking felt compelled to smoke some Salvia 10x extract. I did several hits, each one spaced out as I went in and out of the depths. After my first hit, I immediately felt the presence of so-called Lady Salvia as I and many others have experienced. This time, though, she had a presence that was more distinct and immediate than I had ever experienced before. I greeted her, and she proceeded to explain to me that to interact with her is to “interact on the world-creation level,” and that she herself is a “world creator.” She then proceeded to reveal that she is an avatar of the Divine Mother or the gnostic Sophia. Over the next few hits of Salvia, she took me into my own depths, showed me that Earth and the Divine Mother are of the same principle, that Earth is not what it appears but is actually a matrix of countless (infinite?) vibrations that overlay and interact in some kind of grand symphony, that our bodies belong to Earth and are aspects of Earth’s creative ability and also a way in which we (humans) are all One on a physical level. She showed me that the Divine Mother is an intrinsic aspect of who I am, that she is not separate from me but in fact acts through me to create my world, and that only my (and the collective’s) repression of the feminine have blocked this fact from conscious awareness.  When she showed me that I am an expression of the Divine Mother, I saw it as the formless void of creation emerging as my own face, my feminine Self intrinsic to my unique, individual personality.

This was a great example of the Oneness underlying Self and Other.


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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: Blue Cthulhu]
    #28560849 - 11/29/23 02:05 PM (1 month, 28 days ago)

pretty good session - I'd say
nice report.
enjoy.

(on salvia the surfaces speak to me telepathically, the wisdom is really very tilted towards surfaces, however: Light and shadow. though it is superficial it is very compelling: each idea being a surface in itself, with an entire local physics)


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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: Northerner] * 1
    #28560936 - 11/29/23 03:17 PM (1 month, 28 days ago)

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OK OK so when I’m in contact with the other/entity/what have ya in these deep states, I’m just in contact with parts of myself that lay in wait until I perturb the right dongles in my dingle?



That's pretty much what I reckon it is. Basically a splintering of consciousness.

Many theories on it, but that's my take.




Possibly so. However, if you consider the possibility that all consciousness is one, then you are one splinter and the entity could be another splinter of the same consciousness. Consciousness itself is thought by many current researchers to be an essential part of the universe, just as space and time are. Recent essays suggest that consciousness is essential for the existence of the universe. In other words, things may actually exist only because we perceive them. You are a part of the biosystem we live in. Your brain is a part of that system and interacts with it.


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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28560946 - 11/29/23 03:23 PM (1 month, 28 days ago)





you may want to take this up offline or in a philosophy and psychology thread or not, but I know of nobody who can actually articulate when or how they chose anything, so I really think that choosing is a fallacious concept, while navigating through a field of signs and signals, some familiar and others not so familiar, is actually what is going on, at all times, in the mind.




In that framework we are all imaginary, no? The idea of a Self emerges somehow from the hodgepodge of sensations and memories?

Would you say that you did not choose to respond to the prior entry? If YOU are imaginary, then I agree, so are choices.


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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: Neurotech]
    #28561051 - 11/29/23 05:03 PM (1 month, 28 days ago)

using a mental knife you can slice anything into halves and then declare that whichever half gets picked up means a choice was made.

By slicing, you force a view in which the next action can be interpreted as a choice. It is artificially imposing an extra layer, but still identifying choice is done after the fact and not a matter of choosing any more than slicing.


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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28561191 - 11/29/23 06:52 PM (1 month, 28 days ago)

^You had me up until the last sentence, which I cannot make heads nor tails of. Can I choose to slice or would that be a meta-slice of choice?


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