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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: stareatclouds]
#28599221 - 12/26/23 10:08 PM (1 month, 1 day ago) |
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The entities I encountered during my DMT experiences never trapped me in eternity or made me believe I would never return. I'm aware that a DMT trip is just that a trip. However , these entities engage in a playful interaction with you, if you allow them to. I had a similar experience with mushrooms, where time seemed to come to a halt during my first heroic dose. I mistakenly believed that time had stopped and that everything would forever remain altered. It turned out to be a valuable lesson, teaching me to confront and overcome my fears, and to strengthen my resolve. I learned that I should not engage in games I do not wish to play. Instead of becoming overwhelmed by the perception of time ceasing, I learned to appreciate and enjoy the suspended moment. These psychedelic trips serve as teachers, guiding us towards maturity and helping us shed our fears. They act as spiritual tools that aid in the development of our souls. Having an open heart will enable you to truly feel and encounter your own truth and path, and to grow through intuition.
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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: Bra] 1
#28599228 - 12/26/23 10:15 PM (1 month, 1 day ago) |
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the changed sense of time passing is the heart of frame stacking. it's about moments persisting, and resting overtop the next, this becomes eternity, slow time, or no time, and it can even go backwards.
this is the basic core effect upon which all the other psychedelic and dissociative effects depend, except for dilated pupils and speediness.
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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: stareatclouds]
#28601769 - 12/29/23 03:31 AM (29 days, 21 hours ago) |
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stareatclouds said: Control over time in what way? DMT experiences are chock-full of time dilation, including living entire lives like salvia apparently can. DMT entities are known for locking you into eternity and making you realize you're never coming back.
red,
Fair enough. I assume little experience with DMT then? I had about 60 or so fun experiences vaping enough to have awesome CEVs only. And then one time I did the same amount and something dove into me, physically yanked me backwards on my bed, and took over my entire perception. It wasn't a pleasant experience, haha.
I've always been a little skeptical about the 'living whole lives' thing or living for eternity. For me, the 'eternity' came from completely forgetting who, where, or what I was. As I couldn't recall a past, nor understand what I was in the present, time itself ceased to exist, along with any conception of a future. It really was as if I had existed in that bewildering Salvia state for all eternity!
That said, thankfully I did come out of the experience(s) very quickly!
Salvia seems almost like a dream to me in a sense. As if the point I realize I am dreaming, is always the point I immediately snap out of it!
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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: wolf8312]
#28602534 - 12/29/23 06:16 PM (29 days, 6 hours ago) |
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If you can entirely forget your existence, maybe it's just as easy to imagine (or have implanted) another existence? I've never felt that, though, so I'm not sure.
The eternity thing for me, it was more like, "This is it. I am here forever." Not necessary an entity being like, "You're here forever", although I've read reports like that. It was more so believing I died IRL and my soul is now in this state. I don't believe I ceased to remember my self, though. In fact, I think that's what was so unnerving, because I wanted out. Perhaps I should table the eternity feeling in my experience because I was so freaked out by having my vision and body turned off/controlled by the entity running the experience.
The living entire lives thing is wild to me. One of my Shroomery friend's did DMT and lived a whole life as like a sheep herder or something in the Middle East, I think. He had a family, watched his sons grow and marry, etc. When he came back, he said he was confused about everything for 10-15 minutes before remembering his current self.
Speaking of salvia and living other lives, here's a really wild trip report from a chemist who synthesized a very powerful analog. It's a short, entertaining read. I've also heard of people on DMT existing as a rock underwater or a cloud, forever. They described it as peaceful, IIRC. I read a MeO report of someone hunting with some indigenous tribe and all sorts of weird shit.
You ever been shown a vision of your life or recalled verified past events?
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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: stareatclouds]
#28602608 - 12/29/23 07:04 PM (29 days, 5 hours ago) |
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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: stareatclouds]
#28602632 - 12/29/23 07:18 PM (29 days, 5 hours ago) |
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stareatclouds said: One of my Shroomery friend's did DMT and lived a whole life as like a sheep herder or something in the Middle East, I think. He had a family, watched his sons grow and marry, etc. When he came back, he said he was confused about everything for 10-15 minutes before remembering his current self.
Was DMT taken orally or vaped, with or without a MAOI?
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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: Bra]
#28602699 - 12/29/23 08:05 PM (29 days, 4 hours ago) |
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It was just a regular vaped dose, no MAOI extending the trip.
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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: Northerner]
#28602740 - 12/29/23 09:15 PM (29 days, 3 hours ago) |
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Just read the trip report That is wild
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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: loladoreen]
#28602805 - 12/29/23 11:46 PM (29 days, 1 hour ago) |
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Haha yeah, I wish someone knew the chemist involved. Pretty wild that there are other analogues even stronger than that one, I believe.
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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: stareatclouds] 1
#28603018 - 12/30/23 07:23 AM (28 days, 17 hours ago) |
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stareatclouds said: If you can entirely forget your existence, maybe it's just as easy to imagine (or have implanted) another existence? I've never felt that, though, so I'm not sure.
The eternity thing for me, it was more like, "This is it. I am here forever." Not necessary an entity being like, "You're here forever", although I've read reports like that. It was more so believing I died IRL and my soul is now in this state. I don't believe I ceased to remember my self, though. In fact, I think that's what was so unnerving, because I wanted out. Perhaps I should table the eternity feeling in my experience because I was so freaked out by having my vision and body turned off/controlled by the entity running the experience.
The living entire lives thing is wild to me. One of my Shroomery friend's did DMT and lived a whole life as like a sheep herder or something in the Middle East, I think. He had a family, watched his sons grow and marry, etc. When he came back, he said he was confused about everything for 10-15 minutes before remembering his current self.
Speaking of salvia and living other lives, here's a really wild trip report from a chemist who synthesized a very powerful analog. It's a short, entertaining read. I've also heard of people on DMT existing as a rock underwater or a cloud, forever. They described it as peaceful, IIRC. I read a MeO report of someone hunting with some indigenous tribe and all sorts of weird shit.
You ever been shown a vision of your life or recalled verified past events?
If he did in fact live a whole life (did he mean birth, childhood, getting up each morning and going to work, etc. in real time?) I'd be worried I am not in Salvia land at this very moment!
Cause you know, sometimes I do wonder! Maybe I smoked some "life" at some point and am simply lost in the fog! Years here, are minutes there!
I tend to take trip reports with a pinch of salt though.
It could be that a person is exaggerating or even lying for clicks, as many now believe of China cat's (LSD on the phone) wild stories. Or -more likely- that people are limited in their ability to describe such ineffable experiences and inevitably reach for misleading and inaccurate metaphors.
We've all heard the phrase: my whole life flashed before by eyes.
Maybe Salvia/DMT is able to reproduce those (whole life) flash experiences, while the poor traveler happens to be experiencing extreme time dilation!
I've certainly had experiences on Saliva similar to that (the entire universe/my life exploding).
Only it all happened to me in a flash, not real time! That's the only thing for me! A whole life in real time?
But who knows, I wasn't there!
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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: wolf8312] 2
#28603042 - 12/30/23 08:10 AM (28 days, 16 hours ago) |
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I saw something akin to an entity watching over me after 8g nat dose, 40 minutes in. Not something I would reccommend
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wolf,
The stable hallucination being our "reality" is an interesting idea that I often think about. DMT being endogenously produced is interesting to me. You ever read about or experience false awakenings? That seems pretty terrifying.
Regarding the lifetime thing, it was a friend of mine who was in the K-hole and saw her entire life projected for her. In that experience, she hadn't relived it in real time, but was able to see/feel it all. I guess kind of like the Akashic records if you've read about that. Another friend did Iboga and recalled a forgotten memory that he could verify as happening, so at least those 2 stories weren't lies for clicks. I've personally not had either of these happen so I don't know. It's crazy, for sure.
With the DMT experience of my Shroomery friend, I'm not sure if he felt it happen in real time, but I have indeed read people saying that. If we were in some sort of simulated reality, or controllable by higher-ups, we could have implanted memories right now and not know it. That Salvia report was really neat to me. Just dropping into the 1950's with a full backstory and life you could remember. Here's a few people claiming to have lived other lives for some periods of time. And here's a thread with OP calling it BS and people responding.
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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: stareatclouds]
#28603942 - 12/30/23 10:01 PM (28 days, 3 hours ago) |
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stareatclouds said: The stable hallucination being our "reality" is an interesting idea that I often think about.
People believing that everyday perception is a hallucination and that drug induced hallucination is reality is interesting to me.
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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: Northerner] 3
#28605285 - 12/31/23 11:11 PM (27 days, 1 hour ago) |
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Hi, after discovering DMT and on many occasions I always could see this bright white light just out of the corner of my eye and I always could see a hand on my right shoulder..always on the right side? It gave me a peaceful and loving feeling which was always memorable. Now i extract my own from 2 barks, mhrb & acacia accuminata rb. I am almost 50 AMD rediscovered psychedelic's again in the last 10 years but I only indulge 1-4 times a month if possible. Looking to grow at home with Monotubs/bags on the fungi side of things. Watch the film 'Fantastic Fungi'...it should be on year 12 curriculum especially in chemistry field. I am from Australia and the sheer amount of diffetantAcacia species is overwhelming but there is many testing & trying the DMT extraction for the future. Lastly and back to entities, I know this entity was like a guardian angel of sorts. I do feel special but so can you. It will make senseand being a bit stubborn(lots...๐ข) I now have this love seeping into my physical life. I miss my Dad and my companion Poppee(she is a kelpie k9). ๐ข๐ข I am stronger after their loss. Peace & Love
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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: Greenbean777]
#28605305 - 12/31/23 11:43 PM (27 days, 1 hour ago) |
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Welcome to the board, mate. Nice to meet you.
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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: stareatclouds] 1
#28605312 - 12/31/23 11:56 PM (27 days, 1 hour ago) |
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stareatclouds said: wolf,
The stable hallucination being our "reality" is an interesting idea that I often think about. DMT being endogenously produced is interesting to me. You ever read about or experience false awakenings? That seems pretty terrifying.
Regarding the lifetime thing, it was a friend of mine who was in the K-hole and saw her entire life projected for her. In that experience, she hadn't relived it in real time, but was able to see/feel it all. I guess kind of like the Akashic records if you've read about that. Another friend did Iboga and recalled a forgotten memory that he could verify as happening, so at least those 2 stories weren't lies for clicks. I've personally not had either of these happen so I don't know. It's crazy, for sure.
With the DMT experience of my Shroomery friend, I'm not sure if he felt it happen in real time, but I have indeed read people saying that. If we were in some sort of simulated reality, or controllable by higher-ups, we could have implanted memories right now and not know it. That Salvia report was really neat to me. Just dropping into the 1950's with a full backstory and life you could remember. Here's a few people claiming to have lived other lives for some periods of time. And here's a thread with OP calling it BS and people responding.
I just wrote this moments ago after reading something someone wrote which evoked the memory. Figured it couldn't hurt to share. Then I noticed your comment here, so, again...figured it couldn't hurt to share.
Experientially speaking, the Psychedelic Mind blew into an otherwise deserted palace with something especially lovely on that day. At least, for my heart. T'was very good at pulling on the ol' heart strings just right that it may as well have been played as if by a master harpist. Ha. 11/10 trip, while it was relatively simple in general, as in, not jam-packed with what I normally experience from relatively higher (for myself) doses of fungi, eg. some heavy and intensive activity, nonetheless I'm overcome by emotion thinking back on it now, and, deeply appreciate having been able to have such a wonderfully different psychedelic trip than thought possible until then.  https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28605292#28605292
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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: stareatclouds]
#28605581 - 01/01/24 09:17 AM (26 days, 15 hours ago) |
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stareatclouds said: wolf,
The stable hallucination being our "reality" is an interesting idea that I often think about. DMT being endogenously produced is interesting to me. You ever read about or experience false awakenings? That seems pretty terrifying.
Regarding the lifetime thing, it was a friend of mine who was in the K-hole and saw her entire life projected for her. In that experience, she hadn't relived it in real time, but was able to see/feel it all. I guess kind of like the Akashic records if you've read about that. Another friend did Iboga and recalled a forgotten memory that he could verify as happening, so at least those 2 stories weren't lies for clicks. I've personally not had either of these happen so I don't know. It's crazy, for sure.
With the DMT experience of my Shroomery friend, I'm not sure if he felt it happen in real time, but I have indeed read people saying that. If we were in some sort of simulated reality, or controllable by higher-ups, we could have implanted memories right now and not know it. That Salvia report was really neat to me. Just dropping into the 1950's with a full backstory and life you could remember. Here's a few people claiming to have lived other lives for some periods of time. And here's a thread with OP calling it BS and people responding.
Yes that Salvia report certainly was interesting. I dug up this (below) on Wikepedia. Terrible source, I know, but it isn't politics:
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Salvinorin B methoxymethyl ether (2-O-methoxymethylsalvinorin B) is a semi-synthetic analogue of the natural product salvinorin A used in scientific research.[1][2] It has a longer duration of action of around 2โ3 hours, compared to less than 30 minutes for salvinorin A,[3] and has increased affinity and potency at the ฮบ-opioid receptor. It is prepared from salvinorin B.[4] The crystal structure is almost superimposable with that of salvinorin A.[5] Structures bound to the ฮบ-opioid receptor have also been reported.[6]
Salvinorin B methoxymethyl ether has a Ki of 0.60 nM at the ฮบ opioid receptor,[7] and is around five times more potent than salvinorin A in animal studies, although it is still only half as potent as its ethoxymethyl ether homolog, 'symmetry'.[7][8][9]
Here's Erowid.
https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/salvinorin_b_ethoxymethyl_ether/salvinorin_b_ethoxymethyl_ether_article1.shtml
2-3 hours?
To be honest if the experience was as he described (walking around a kind of lucid dreamscape) it might not be too bad!
But on the other hand, if the ride is anything like my own Salvia experiences, Jesus Christ!
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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: wolf8312]
#28605763 - 01/01/24 12:15 PM (26 days, 12 hours ago) |
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Yep, and that's the only trip report that exists for it, I believe. There's another one that might last a couple days by Gallimore's estimate (that's where I originally saw this report linked). It sounds like the walking around part was more of a real life quality than dreamscape. The beginning didn't seem chill with his knees flying through the wall, though.
Never done salvia myself. Never heard any of my friends having a good time on it. I didn't even know people could until recently in the past year or so, ha. I hear it referred to as DMT's evil cousin or something.
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#28605809 - 01/01/24 12:45 PM (26 days, 12 hours ago) |
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Living an entire life elsewhere is nonsense fearmongering to get people to never try DMT. Can't change my mind on that.
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#28605864 - 01/01/24 01:28 PM (26 days, 11 hours ago) |
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Blue_Lux said: Living an entire life elsewhere is nonsense fearmongering to get people to never try DMT. Can't change my mind on that.
Yeah it sounds like flying pink elephant stories for sure. I've done DMT countless times and even fully forgotten I was ever human whilst on it. But whole lives in that realm seems like fantastical make believe to me too.
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