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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: redgreenvines]
#28574404 - 12/08/23 01:19 PM (1 month, 19 days ago) |
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I've seen them too. Lemon Teked 5g of B+ and put on a deep relaxation audio track.
They were biomechanical but I interpreted it as spiritual snakes rather than machines.
I remember it vividly because it was one of my earliest 3-D/infinte open eye visuals with mushrooms.
Now I interpret them as mind trying to make forms (the sense things we call walls and even ourselves and each other) under the influence of large amounts of drugs.
And I don't think they're a different phenomenon than DMT elves (which I've seen a lot and are very similar, just with a DMT tone).
The phenomenon still fascinates me, even with a different understanding of what might be happening on an objective level.
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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: tree frog] 2
#28586322 - 12/17/23 04:28 AM (1 month, 10 days ago) |
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I have had some visions that felt like encountering entities. Some of them more convincing than others. You know, sometimes it just felt like watching a movie with characters in it, or playing a videogame with NPCs, it's not quite the same as encountering someone alien.
The most convincing 'entity encounter' was my first DMT breakthrough, where someone, sort of talking over my head like a teacher or doctor or tour guide, told me something akin to 'okay here we go'. I never saw them, but the sense of being talked to, specifically in reference to my current trip and what is about to happen to me, was quite intense.
On another DMT breakthrough, I was put through a series of strange transformations, feeling strangely helpless and depersonified, and someone told me 'this is what you came here for, isn't it', more as an explanation, a way to soothe and reassure me, rather than in a mocking or malicious way. Again, I didn't see the entity.
On mushrooms, I have routinely encountered strange extradimensional beings, sort of like a cross between sea anemones or corals and dragons(?). Very eldritch and alien, with tentacles and sacklike appendages, and strange shifts and transformations. They typically start out as static pattern overlays, and then reach out into my 3-dimensional world. While it always feels obvious that they are alive, if they do have an intellect, it is too alien to comprehend or communicate with.
Again on DMT, I have seen clownlike jester beings. Like a strange flying 'train' made up of a series of clown heads with a mask in front... They didn't seem to pay attention to me though, but I did feel a sentiment of being welcome by them, in a casual noncommitted manner. Like, 'oh hey good to see you', as you'd greet a distant acquaintance at a bar, and then just leave them be.
Then there was my DMT(?) trip from hell, that was the result of a week-long polytoxicomanic romp at a psytrance festival, crowned by a toke from a friend's changa pipe filled with fuck knows what... I was out for about three hours, with the weirdest delirium-flavored trip I have ever experienced. It wasn't like tryptamine visuals. It wasn't even like a DMT breakthrough. It was like a fever dream. There were giant robot creatures being assembled from smaller robots and cubes, constantly transforming into new shapes... There were monks in black robes and hoods standing on a moonlit hill, holding up a projection screen that the rest of the trip was projected onto. But I felt strangely dissociated from all of this, and felt more as if I was playing Minecraft in spectator mode, than actually being part of it all.
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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: PsyduckMonkey] 1
#28586379 - 12/17/23 06:10 AM (1 month, 10 days ago) |
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I have encountered many entities but have come to realize they are most likely parts of me and my subconcious mind.
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stareatclouds
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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: The Blind Ass] 1
#28594680 - 12/23/23 01:59 AM (1 month, 4 days ago) |
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redgreenvines said: maybe trickster is the personification of frustration from lack of familiarity, lack of understanding, lack of knowing what to do, lack of maturity too.
the trickster also reminds us that we cannot know in advance what will happen, nor can we know what we have not yet encountered, and this is a great leveler for all of us.
every creature has its tricks in its niche, dancing the incredible dance of its life force, so taken out of our element the adventure begins, and trickster/coyote reins supreme - and again we dance to coyote's howl.
Cool post, rgv.
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tree frog said: But yeah, the level 5 was hard to rationalize. It was mushrooms not any form of DMT.
Psilocin is 4-hydroxy-dimethyltryptamine.
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The Blind Ass said: Question to ponder:
How are entities which are perceived during certain psychedelic experiences fundamentally any different in their nature to those which are perceived while dreaming?
On another yet slightly similar related note, here's a story:
I once had a peculiar experience while dreaming, I was in bed -mostly asleep - dream perceiving - while simultaneously some odd occurrence happened by chance that an OBE wherein the perception that I could see myself in bed from above and off to the side was happening too. From the latter perspective, nothing was there beyond my bedroom, its furnishings, and a body resting in bed. On the other hand - the awareness of dream remained, akin to something like Picture-in-Picture mode.
My dreams are nothing like my DMT experiences, but after DMT dabbling, my dreams got very, very odd. I kept getting the feeling of being lifted up and out of my bed and having entity contact. One of the experiences was an OOBE like yours where I was floating off my bed, but kind of spinning around and viewing my room. It was wild.
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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: Northerner]
#28594810 - 12/23/23 06:00 AM (1 month, 4 days ago) |
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Why do you think that is?
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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: Blue Cthulhu]
#28595297 - 12/23/23 01:24 PM (1 month, 4 days ago) |
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Blue Cthulhu said: Is this it? I would like to meet its maker https://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/Hyperspace_lexicon
Nah, he's referring to this, although it's not agreed upon that it's real.
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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: Northerner]
#28595306 - 12/23/23 01:32 PM (1 month, 4 days ago) |
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Really cool link I need to explore it on my laptop.
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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: loladoreen]
#28596330 - 12/24/23 08:40 AM (1 month, 3 days ago) |
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Yes very interesting story, even if it were entirely fiction.
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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: Blue Cthulhu]
#28596335 - 12/24/23 08:42 AM (1 month, 3 days ago) |
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Maybe once on some unknown strength salvia extract. I really to this day can't explain what I experienced it was too fucked up.
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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: stareatclouds]
#28597283 - 12/25/23 01:39 AM (1 month, 2 days ago) |
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stareatclouds said:
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Blue Cthulhu said: Is this it? I would like to meet its maker https://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/Hyperspace_lexicon
Nah, he's referring to this, although it's not agreed upon that it's real.
Yeah that's the one I was talking about.
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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: Northerner]
#28597330 - 12/25/23 06:18 AM (1 month, 2 days ago) |
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I had a peak at https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=62070 I was excited in the first post where he/she describes becoming more aware of time spent in sleep through the night, and the limnal states between waking and sleep (for me that is one thing - i.e. remembering most of conscious moments through the night.)
There is an innocent excitement at the beginning, and a willingness to play or try new things, and I find that admirable.
Trying on pledges of loyalty or fealty or obedience to the manifestations, however, is what turned the long tale into one of being embattled with evil (basically just ignorance and delusion). I reject the conflation of trust with submitting to tests of obedience (and other socially modeled forms of magical thinking)
The souvenirs he/she got from this activity comprise a personal pantheon, and he/she is quite scholastic about laying that all out.
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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: redgreenvines]
#28597360 - 12/25/23 07:23 AM (1 month, 2 days ago) |
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in point of fact, when i was ten i used to huff liquid paper thinner out of plastic paper route baggies. and not just once but twice i saw a huge black hairy monster screaming at me and the wall opened from another dimension and it looked sort of like the thing from aliens and it rushed at me and i screamed and it just lasted for a second. does that count?
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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: eve69]
#28597364 - 12/25/23 07:26 AM (1 month, 2 days ago) |
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okay check this shit out. when i was twelve i did sweats with a famous indian medicine man named bearheart and this time he passed around the pipe with tobacco rustica in it and my third eye opened and i saw a fire spirit. and i know it sounds dumb but i could see it, feel the emotion and primal sense of it. someone else who was there that day the next day backed into their stove in their trailer and their hair caught on fire and their home almost burned down
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stareatclouds
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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: redgreenvines]
#28598776 - 12/26/23 04:25 PM (1 month, 1 day ago) |
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redgreenvines said: I had a peak at https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=62070 I was excited in the first post where he/she describes becoming more aware of time spent in sleep through the night, and the limnal states between waking and sleep (for me that is one thing - i.e. remembering most of conscious moments through the night.)
There is an innocent excitement at the beginning, and a willingness to play or try new things, and I find that admirable.
Trying on pledges of loyalty or fealty or obedience to the manifestations, however, is what turned the long tale into one of being embattled with evil (basically just ignorance and delusion). I reject the conflation of trust with submitting to tests of obedience (and other socially modeled forms of magical thinking)
The souvenirs he/she got from this activity comprise a personal pantheon, and he/she is quite scholastic about laying that all out.
I think most people decided it was likely a LARP because they'd never posted prior to ask for advice/help. That makes sense to me, tbh.
red,
From what I remember of our past conversations, you're a strict materialist in regards to the psychedelic phenomena, right? Have you broken through on DMT very many times?
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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: stareatclouds] 1
#28598882 - 12/26/23 06:09 PM (1 month, 1 day ago) |
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I've encountered a jester entity a few times. This time I took a deep hit of DMT and flew away to a completely different world. Everything was filled with bright, white light. Suddenly, an entity appeared before me. It took the form of a skeleton, adorned with playing cards (I had seen it before in the same place while on 8 grams of dried cubes). This entity, although skeletal in form, was composed of intricate fractal patterns in various colors and petals. I was astounded to see the same entity that I had encountered on mushrooms at the same place under the mapple tree!
Perhaps this entity represents a maple tree or something else entirely. What could it be? Is it a local forest spirit?
I wonder why it chose to manifest with cards and a skeleton made of fractals. Where can I find answers to these questions?
As I reached this point, I began to let go, and the entity dissolved into eternity.
I would love to continue the conversation with this skeleton, but our previous communication on mushrooms was limited due to language barriers, and I couldn't understand much about who this entity is and why it appeared.
Even now, I still struggle to comprehend the true nature and purpose of this enigmatic entity. I didn't meet this skeleton entity again.
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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: stareatclouds] 1
#28599052 - 12/26/23 08:23 PM (1 month, 1 day ago) |
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stareatclouds said:
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redgreenvines said: I had a peak at https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=62070 I was excited in the first post where he/she describes becoming more aware of time spent in sleep through the night, and the limnal states between waking and sleep (for me that is one thing - i.e. remembering most of conscious moments through the night.)
There is an innocent excitement at the beginning, and a willingness to play or try new things, and I find that admirable.
Trying on pledges of loyalty or fealty or obedience to the manifestations, however, is what turned the long tale into one of being embattled with evil (basically just ignorance and delusion). I reject the conflation of trust with submitting to tests of obedience (and other socially modeled forms of magical thinking)
The souvenirs he/she got from this activity comprise a personal pantheon, and he/she is quite scholastic about laying that all out.
I think most people decided it was likely a LARP because they'd never posted prior to ask for advice/help. That makes sense to me, tbh.
red,
From what I remember of our past conversations, you're a strict materialist in regards to the psychedelic phenomena, right? Have you broken through on DMT very many times?
very many breakthroughs on Salvia. I am not strictly materialist, however I am analytically connected to my cognition in a way few people are. Connected but not in control. I'm on the ride and don't want to miss a thing. nothing strict about that IMO
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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: redgreenvines]
#28599089 - 12/26/23 08:53 PM (1 month, 1 day ago) |
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Fair enough. I have no experience with salvia, but understand it to be quite different from DMT in many ways, similar in others. Do you have much experience with DMT? I would consider a BT on mushroom similar enough, too. Or did your salvia breakthroughs feature entities you could interact with?
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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: stareatclouds]
#28599175 - 12/26/23 09:34 PM (1 month, 1 day ago) |
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I have extensive experience with vaporized DMT and pure salvinorin. In the case of salvia, the essence has a distinctly different character. I think is better to try it for yourself and discover this firsthand. Pure salvinorin vaped on e-mesh is the best way to go, in my opinion. Have a trip sitter for a salvia experience! 1mg of pure salvinorin is enough to have a breakthrough. Yeah, this thing is very potent. Salvia offers a completely unique experience, with a sensation that sets it apart. While there are certain similarities to DMT, salvia introduces entities that appear to have control over time. The journey induced by salvinorin is more akin to time and complete spirit travel, whereas DMT rather shows you other realms and allows to communitcate with entities.
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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: stareatclouds]
#28599181 - 12/26/23 09:37 PM (1 month, 1 day ago) |
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stareatclouds said: Fair enough. I have no experience with salvia, but understand it to be quite different from DMT in many ways, similar in others. Do you have much experience with DMT? I would consider a BT on mushroom similar enough, too. Or did your salvia breakthroughs feature entities you could interact with?
if you do a search of redgreenvines posting something about salvinorin or salvia there should be tons of reports, very few entity conflicts, but plenty of entity related content. I am not a gamer and my personality is a kind of withdrawn child in the sense that I skirt authority figures, and outfox teachers, but not for gain, just to not be under their thumb. I am not a liar type. so as I see it, there is little to engage an entity who may have any authority. If I progress in any world it is by stealth good humor, and dignity. I do not believe in angels and gods. but if I run into one I will respectfully remember my French teacher in grade 9.
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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: Bra]
#28599188 - 12/26/23 09:40 PM (1 month, 1 day ago) |
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Control over time in what way? DMT experiences are chock-full of time dilation, including living entire lives like salvia apparently can. DMT entities are known for locking you into eternity and making you realize you're never coming back.
red,
Fair enough. I assume little experience with DMT then? I had about 60 or so fun experiences vaping enough to have awesome CEVs only. And then one time I did the same amount and something dove into me, physically yanked me backwards on my bed, and took over my entire perception. It wasn't a pleasant experience, haha.
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