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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: Blue_Lux]
#28572072 - 12/06/23 08:21 PM (1 month, 21 days ago) |
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He says he saw the Elephant God Ganesh too on DMT, but I forget the exact story.
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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: Blue Cthulhu]
#28572274 - 12/07/23 12:26 AM (1 month, 21 days ago) |
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Blue Cthulhu said: Alternatively, if the entity were “real”, having it be described to you ahead of time could help you recognize it and be more receptive to it. Like being told about a certain species of mushroom before you go for a hike in the woods, and then seeing it and identifying it more easily.
Reading The Spirit Molecule after my own experiences, I was struck by the descriptions of the voyager being a plaything or a kind of baby in a playpen for certain creatures of hyperspace, as that was also my experience. They are definitely upper-level machines as opposed to the lower or middle level spaces or entities. They were metaphysical, obviously, but seemed part-organic part-mechanical and were towering behemoths that stretched into tangled mechanical meshes of infinity. Words cannot really begin to describe it but it was an alien-machine world. There were also gatekeepers or what seemed to me to be enormous reality-sewing machines though I’m not sure why I took them to be ‘gatekeepers’ guarding something, though the spirit molecule also made mention of them I think. I do think we all go to the same places with the same creatures whatever they are!
Best way to get there seems to be by the oral or IV route I think though not smoked. I guess that the longer one is there the stronger the connection between our realities becomes whereas with smoking the connection will be broken too quickly for ‘them’ to really get a grip on and into the subject.
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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: wolf8312]
#28572278 - 12/07/23 12:33 AM (1 month, 21 days ago) |
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Have you ever seen any of the art of HR Geiger?
 
 Biomechanica in particular
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That’s (the first photo in particular) kind of reminiscent of a vision I have had with Salvia of our human place in reality where one to zoom out a great distance (the fly realizes it is sitting on an elephant). That we are in encased something, not organic, but metallic/industrial and mechanical.
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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: wolf8312]
#28572291 - 12/07/23 01:19 AM (1 month, 20 days ago) |
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I suspect some salvia was used for some of his inspiration. It’s hard to get the books but I bet you would really like looking through it. You can find lots of it online. I have some of it in my house framed. I just showed you landscapes. There are beings that he depicts. They sound a lot like what you saw.
 I’ve only had some light interactions with entities in the salvia spectrum. They seemed really friendly. The ones I met anyways. They told me an absolutely mind shattering joke. Of course I forgot the punchline as soon as I came back.
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GenesisCorrupted said: I suspect some salvia was used for some of his inspiration. It’s hard to get the books but I bet you would really like looking through it. You can find lots of it online. I have some of it in my house framed. I just showed you landscapes. There are beings that he depicts. They sound a lot like what you saw.
 I’ve only had some light interactions with entities in the salvia spectrum. They seemed really friendly. The ones I met anyways. They told me an absolutely mind shattering joke. Of course I forgot the punchline as soon as I came back.
I never really see entities with salvia either. It’s more so that I’m part of a whole. How to describe it? I am not a creature occupying or inhabiting a space or place. I am the space or place. But maybe that’s not quite right. There is a kind of void-ness to the experience.
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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: wolf8312]
#28572302 - 12/07/23 01:42 AM (1 month, 20 days ago) |
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It is really odd. It feels like you’re still anchored here. But your mind is somewhere else completely. And where can really vary depending on how much you took. Last time I was sent to a bouncy cartoony world. Reminded me of the 1950s cartoon style. Most of the time. I can just kind of watch something distort in a really interesting way. But I don’t usually have an actual breakthrough with salvia. I haven’t really experimented with them much because I don’t like the mind feel of it. If you know what I mean.
Almost like there’s a series of me, stretching out in front and behind me and they all keep slamming into and through me. It doesn’t hurt. But I can feel almost the sensation of getting hit multiple times. Also, it makes me really warm. Not a good mind feel. RGV makes it into tea. Sounds a lot more pleasant that way. I don’t know I feel like that’s the closest description I can give.
I am more of an Aya guy.
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GenesisCorrupted said: It is really odd. It feels like you’re still anchored here. But your mind is somewhere else completely. And where can really vary depending on how much you took. Last time I was sent to a bouncy cartoony world. Reminded me of the 1950s cartoon style. Most of the time. I can just kind of watch something distort in a really interesting way. But I don’t usually have an actual breakthrough with salvia. I haven’t really experimented with them much because I don’t like the mind feel of it. If you know what I mean.
Almost like there’s a series of me, stretching out in front and behind me and they all keep slamming into and through me. It doesn’t hurt. But I can feel almost the sensation of getting hit multiple times. Also, it makes me really warm. Not a good mind feel. RGV makes it into tea. Sounds a lot more pleasant that way. I don’t know I feel like that’s the closest description I can give.
I am more of an Aya guy.
Sub-breakthrough can be hilarious but it's not easy to get right if working with 25x. Funny thing is Salvia always used to make me sweat and feel hot/uncomfortable. But this vial I found (that is like 15 years old) still works but seems to have lost those particular side-effects. Coincidence maybe (winter, etc.)!
I don't especially like Salvia either as its waaaaay too real but I believe it to be therapeutic in the same way a near death experience probably is! A zap to the whole system!
Intellectually I think it's fascinating, as I do DMT, but the reality of it when the ego is obliterated (and nothing obliterates the ego like Salvia) is very different (too real).
Last time it spooked me! Will wait a few more years before doing again maybe! I think when one forgets how completely it takes you it's easier to let go. First few times I didn't really realize where I had gone until I came out again!
If I had the balls I'd spice it up for a once in a lifetime experience but I think I'd want a padded room and straight jacket for that combo! One day maybe!
That's another thing about it:
I don't entirely trust it! I haven't myself ever got up or moved around on Salvia but I have seen the videos and heard all the stories! And I do live on the 15th floor!
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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: wolf8312]
#28572322 - 12/07/23 02:38 AM (1 month, 20 days ago) |
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I know what you mean. The first couple times you really don’t know what you’re getting into. So you can fight the experience and not have a great time. Last time I was just completely relaxed and I let it take me where it would. It seemed like a lot more pleasant than any of the other times i’ve done it. But I don’t have any concentration. I just have a bag of Salvia Leaf. So what Leaf I’m smoking actually can vary. That last bowl was truly magical compared to every other try.
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I only rarely used salvia in tea, though at the beginning I explored all routes of intake. salvia divinorum tea however is good for upset stomach. ("stone in belly" feeling)
my preference is strongest extract smoked in the minutest quantity - tiny cigarette paper squares upon which I have dried acetone extracts of the plant. this gets my brain fast and leaves my lungs alone.
same kit for over a decade
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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: redgreenvines]
#28572357 - 12/07/23 03:56 AM (1 month, 20 days ago) |
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So you do your own extract?
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yes - anyone can do an acetone extract, it gives a muddy green black result, which works, then user "shpere", who is not currently active here under that name, did naptha cleansing washes that produce white crystals, I made papers from both, and mostly use the pure crystal on paper. It produces the same effects either way it is smoked.
often an entity encounter is part of the shift in resonant state of mind.
the looming of entities makes me think of life as a baby with all those heads active in a circle around me vaguely but clearly, generally compassionate or ambivalent, only taken aback by a messy diaper often enough. and of course a warm breast looms as needed.
even the trickster comes out of that looming realm of time - I had 2 older brothers.
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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: redgreenvines]
#28572373 - 12/07/23 04:49 AM (1 month, 20 days ago) |
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Man, those plants look great.RIP
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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: Blue_Lux]
#28572625 - 12/07/23 10:01 AM (1 month, 20 days ago) |
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It's just a bit difficult to explain but here I go.
I tend to think of mind like a shared field that the ego drifts in the same way the body drifts in the physical field. I don't view these as distinct or one as being primary over the other.
I thought maybe they were for a long time and I compartmentalized them. When I stopped doing that, I stopped having breakthroughs and my personal worldview felt more integrated.
I still work in spaces I used to think of as breakthrough spaces. But, during that last Ayahuasca breakthrough my understanding was that I was staring into the infiteness of mind as it was constructing phenomological experience. So my view has shifted is all. And beause you can't unsee a thing, the way I relate to the breakthrough space has changed.
So, now I'm not going someplace else but someplace deep in my individual phenomlogical consciousness as it is manifesting in that moment, which is by nature interdependant with everything else. See what someone said about familiars earlier. The entities at the most subtle level I've found them are made of literally everything else and are an expression of everything arising at that mind moment. Form is emptiness, emptiness is form. And now I tend to call them mental formations, and use Buddhist names for them when they arise.
In my view CG and I are viewing the same experience through different lenses is all. And it can cause friction. Which is why I try to stay out of ontological discussions and do most of my posting in mush cult. My ego does like to argue. But it doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about.
But yeah, I don't know that it warranted an apology. I mostly wanted to smooth things over and not let it turn into a debate.
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GenesisCorrupted said: I suspect some salvia was used for some of his inspiration. It’s hard to get the books but I bet you would really like looking through it. You can find lots of it online. I have some of it in my house framed. I just showed you landscapes. There are beings that he depicts. They sound a lot like what you saw.
 I’ve only had some light interactions with entities in the salvia spectrum. They seemed really friendly. The ones I met anyways. They told me an absolutely mind shattering joke. Of course I forgot the punchline as soon as I came back.
When William James (the first psychologist) came down from nitrous oxide, he felt that he had the answer to life's mysteries and he remembered it.
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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: tree frog]
#28574023 - 12/08/23 08:08 AM (1 month, 19 days ago) |
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tree frog said: It's just a bit difficult to explain but here I go.
I tend to think of mind like a shared field that the ego drifts in the same way the body drifts in the physical field. I don't view these as distinct or one as being primary over the other.
I thought maybe they were for a long time and I compartmentalized them. When I stopped doing that, I stopped having breakthroughs and my personal worldview felt more integrated.
I still work in spaces I used to think of as breakthrough spaces. But, during that last Ayahuasca breakthrough my understanding was that I was staring into the infiteness of mind as it was constructing phenomological experience. So my view has shifted is all. And beause you can't unsee a thing, the way I relate to the breakthrough space has changed.
So, now I'm not going someplace else but someplace deep in my individual phenomlogical consciousness as it is manifesting in that moment, which is by nature interdependant with everything else. See what someone said about familiars earlier. The entities at the most subtle level I've found them are made of literally everything else and are an expression of everything arising at that mind moment. Form is emptiness, emptiness is form. And now I tend to call them mental formations, and use Buddhist names for them when they arise.
In my view CG and I are viewing the same experience through different lenses is all. And it can cause friction. Which is why I try to stay out of ontological discussions and do most of my posting in mush cult. My ego does like to argue. But it doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about.
But yeah, I don't know that it warranted an apology. I mostly wanted to smooth things over and not let it turn into a debate.
I think the world is the shared field, and each of our minds gets a part of that which is interleaved with the parts that other minds get - so there is a sense of interpenetration of mindspaces (and of memory spaces which are impressions that can be recalled). To me that is the shared field.
There is a part of that content which is recycled (that which is recent) and which follows the needs of the body reflexively in terms of personal memory, and I think that can be perceived as the self. To me that is misconstrued as the ego - there is no ego (just defensive reflexes, and a body in space).
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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: redgreenvines]
#28574120 - 12/08/23 09:33 AM (1 month, 19 days ago) |
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There's strong tendency in language and view to slice reality into pieces and appropriate parts of it as 'me'. While we push the other half away as not me. That's all I mean by ego.
And yeah, I agree that mind/body dualism is another one of these slices. Just like inside/outside. Self/other.
Instead of a drift I think I'd correct myself. Body and mind arise as appearances of seperate things from the field of causation and change.
Including other bodies and minds, incorporeal or otherwise.
-------------------- Listen to the silence behind the engines' noise. Jesus, Sweets, listen. Hear it? It's a love song. For whom? You are loved. ~ David Foster Wallace, Westward the Course of Empire Takes Its Way
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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: wolf8312]
#28574281 - 12/08/23 11:40 AM (1 month, 19 days ago) |
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wolf8312 said:
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Blue Cthulhu said: Alternatively, if the entity were “real”, having it be described to you ahead of time could help you recognize it and be more receptive to it. Like being told about a certain species of mushroom before you go for a hike in the woods, and then seeing it and identifying it more easily.
Reading The Spirit Molecule after my experiences I was struck by the descriptions of the voyager being a plaything or a kind of baby in a playpen for certain creatures of hyperspace as that was also my experience. They are definitely upper-level machines as opposed to the lower or middle level spaces or entities. They were metaphysical, obviously, but seemed part-organic part-mechanical and were towering behemoths that stretched into tangled mechanical meshes of infinity. Words cannot really begin to describe it but it was an alien-machine world. There were also gatekeepers or what seemed to me to be enormous reality-sewing machines though I’m not sure why I took them to be ‘gatekeepers’ guarding something, though the spirit molecule also made mention of them I think. I do think we all go to the same places with the same creatures whatever they are!
Best way to get there seems to be by the oral or IV route I think though not smoked. I guess that the longer one is there the stronger the connection between our realities becomes whereas with smoking the connection will be broken too quickly for ‘them’ to really get a grip on and into the subject.
When I broke through on LSD and ketamine, I had to sew my reality back together to come back. I've definitely seen these reality sewing machines too.
I've never broken through on DMT though.
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oh, that whole tearing through the membranes (fabrics) and the zippers thing too
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