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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: loladoreen] * 1
    #28571082 - 12/06/23 07:13 AM (1 month, 21 days ago)

Yeah, I do my best not to get into ontological debates and stay on a more phenomenalogical level.

But it's a strong habit in the culture I grew up in anyway to debate what is and what isn't.

Was trying to speak from my own understanding of the machine elves I experienced.  And I'm sure at some points I wasn't as mindful as I could be and inclusive of other people's experiences. 

My point in the quoted but deleted comment, was that at some point, after about seven years of trying to understand what the machine elves were, and experiencing many interesting feedback loops between myself and them, I could no longer see them as something separate, or even something contained within the DMT space.  My current understanding is that it's something far more pervasive that can be seen at any moment.

And I guess I do have some ontological guesses at what that I'm sure perfumed my posts in a way that some people found unpleasant.

But what the fuck do I know I'm just an ape/err...frog.


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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: Northerner] * 1
    #28571088 - 12/06/23 07:16 AM (1 month, 21 days ago)

Yes
We all do it.
Everyone does.
Its ok :smile:
Machine elves? While tripping or not? I guess it doesn't matter. You can see things sober or not.


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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: loladoreen]
    #28571113 - 12/06/23 07:29 AM (1 month, 21 days ago)

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loladoreen said:
Yes
We all do it.
Everyone does.
Its ok :smile:
Machine elves? While tripping or not? I guess it doesn't matter. You can see things sober or not.




Tell me about it.

Trying to quit smoking and thought I'd go on Wellbutrin.  Have barely slept in days.  I don't know if that counts as sober but I've definitely been seeing and hearing things.

And I'm still smoking anyway.  Going back to the lozenges.

And thank you, for your kind words :smile:


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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: Northerner]
    #28571133 - 12/06/23 07:45 AM (1 month, 21 days ago)

I'm trying to convince myself to stop
I got gum and it made me sick
I need to reattempt
I honestly enjoy it
I know I need to stop as soon as possible


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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: Northerner]
    #28571429 - 12/06/23 11:28 AM (1 month, 21 days ago)

With four g.. unknown strain.. during the peak I was with the bass guitar turned off in my hands, playing a few notes ecstatically..
Soon I found myself in line.. In front of me there was a middle-aged lady, dressed in the traditional way, with a veil, as she used to do at the beginning of the century..
She was her turn before me, for the meeting..
She turned around and stared at me with a serious expression.
Then I found myself on a space ship, surrounded by four or five grays (yes)..
Telepathically they asked me "What should we do with his mind?", in the third person, referring to me who had remained "on earth?"..
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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: tree frog] * 1
    #28571476 - 12/06/23 12:10 PM (1 month, 21 days ago)

I’m not trying to make you apologize.
We’re all different and perceive things differently. I know you’re entitled to your opinions. You sound like a fine educated person.
It’s just your quick rationalization of everything. Sounds like you’re not going to be convinced that anyone’s actually encountering an entity.
I just don’t want it to take away that magic from somebody else.

I’m in the wrong here. I’m the one who is bothered with some thing that shouldn’t have bothered me. I apologize.


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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 2
    #28571583 - 12/06/23 01:45 PM (1 month, 21 days ago)

Nah, I'm that kid that got praised for good grades and basically not a lot else.  I do tend to rationalize and you had a fair point, even if how it was presented hurt.

Look, I believe I picked my 'parents'.  Only I didn't.  I picked my mom and big brother.  My dad was a drunken misogynist who bullied his wife and kids.  Put hands on my mom, big brother, and me.  There's more to the story but personal info and this being a drug forum.  I'll stop there.

I believe I picked them because I remember picking them as I was born.  My big brother was a skinhead that got turned onto LSD and became a Dead Head.  He gave me my first handful of mushrooms.

So, mushrooms showed me there's memories before this life.  Memories my rational mind can't shake because it's in my bones.

And thinking more on this thread now, I came back here to say, maybe people have exolored other realms much more deeply than my few very bizarre DMT trips and my pre-life memories.

A lot of people believe the Buddha and his disciples did.  Maybe I should put more faith in him and less in my weed and other attachments.

I appreciate what you said because I learned and grew from it.  And I do appreciate the apology too.  Because how it was said still hurt.


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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #28571594 - 12/06/23 01:56 PM (1 month, 21 days ago)

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...Then I could see it was a long haired creature moving towards me. It seemed to be humanoid despite looking like a radiant Cousin It and had no feet. It floated towards me as the ground was rolling away from me under it. It drew closer, close enough for me to seen clearly what it was, it was hard for me to tell it's intention.
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how about this https://www.instagram.com/reel/C0XLwzSO7qc/



That's some weird creatures. Kinda similar, though can see the face and not made of radiant gold. Interesting. Super interesting. Gets me thinking to the basis of original thought.

Something that I found is that people tend to see entities that they expect, and by taking away any notion of what one might encounter the mind is set free to perceive what it will during experiences. For example, I was reading about common entity experiences (going back a pile of years now) and something that stood out was jesters. Next thing I have jesters appearing in my visions. Unlike all my previous experiences this was something that was not unique in form and nomenclature. It was then unrealised what I had inadvertently done to myself. I had predefined, created an expectation and set parameters by which the experience would unravel. Reading through other people's progressions I realised that this is common.

People on their base functioning level are heavily influenced by what they think about, way over even what they believe. This steps back once again to illusion of choice that we were discussing earlier. Through this mechanism entities can enter popular perception.

Two common entity forms from different eras and their root creators:

The circling tribes people with God heads and tongues that stick out, from South American shamans. (I bet they have a name for this archetype)

The machine elves, from the popularization of freebase DMT by McKenna.

For me the effect of other people's trips bleeding through to my own was unacceptable. I didn't want to be creating my own interpretation of what other people interpreted from someone else in a strange game of psychedelic Chinese Whispers. So I just stopped reading on the topic, lest I come across something so often that it defines an archetype in my head and plays out into my psychedelic reality.


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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: Northerner]
    #28571610 - 12/06/23 02:13 PM (1 month, 21 days ago)

Yeah, it's really hard to find things I can't dismiss as priming in my own experiences (Rick Doblin's term for what you're describing).

Rather they're ontologically my imagination or spiritual entities, I still often find the snakes helpful in sorting out my values from my defensive reactions.

So, I try not to worry about it too much.  But I'm a naturally very curious person, read encyclopedias for fun.  And I have obviously thought about it a hell of a lot.

I used to find my version of DMT elves a bit too chaotic and overwhelming.  Fun and interesting sure.  Since I've let go of Terrance's views and started working with my own understanding, I see the elves less, but the snakes more :shrug:

All symbols of change come to think of it.  Much like a frog :wink:


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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: Northerner] * 1
    #28571655 - 12/06/23 02:53 PM (1 month, 21 days ago)

to prime your experience, all you need is ANY residual connection to the idea.
you do not need to have any motive or anything, just the related content and it will fly out at the opportunity that suits it.


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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: tree frog]
    #28571658 - 12/06/23 02:57 PM (1 month, 21 days ago)

I'm a reader as well man. :thumbup:

I don't see it as a bad thing, being part of these perceptions, it's just not something I wanted for myself. Having some/any reference in a sea of chaos is surely a good thing for many, especially when they are deep in the soup.

There's a compendium of entities on Nexus that is really detailed and expansive. Clearly written by someone who ventured far deeper into the realms than most would dare to go. It's one hell of a read. What is interesting is that this anonymous author spawned so many common entities with that work. So many of the entities he describes are only found in the search engine after that was posted, yet posted by many different people later on.

I wonder what happened to that guy though. He rocked up and posted that huge tome of insane genius then disappeared.


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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28571662 - 12/06/23 03:00 PM (1 month, 21 days ago)

Alternatively, if the entity were “real”, having it be described to you ahead of time could help you recognize it and be more receptive to it. Like being told about a certain species of mushroom before you go for a hike in the woods, and then seeing it and identifying it more easily.


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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: Blue Cthulhu]
    #28571737 - 12/06/23 04:22 PM (1 month, 21 days ago)

why not have a cavern of potential entities that some find and introduce to the rest of us.
it's a big media share for our mental media minds.
we have authors and mysteries and every genre, and movies etc.
it's another huge creative domain that is not easily capitalized.


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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: Northerner]
    #28571767 - 12/06/23 05:00 PM (1 month, 21 days ago)

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I'm a reader as well man. :thumbup:

I don't see it as a bad thing, being part of these perceptions, it's just not something I wanted for myself. Having some/any reference in a sea of chaos is surely a good thing for many, especially when they are deep in the soup.

There's a compendium of entities on Nexus that is really detailed and expansive. Clearly written by someone who ventured far deeper into the realms than most would dare to go. It's one hell of a read. What is interesting is that this anonymous author spawned so many common entities with that work. So many of the entities he describes are only found in the search engine after that was posted, yet posted by many different people later on.

I wonder what happened to that guy though. He rocked up and posted that huge tome of insane genius then disappeared.




Is this it? I would like to meet its maker :weirdeyes: https://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/Hyperspace_lexicon


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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: Blue Cthulhu]
    #28571778 - 12/06/23 05:11 PM (1 month, 21 days ago)

I haven't read that in a long time.  Thanks for posting the link.

Some great terminology in here for common tryptamine experiences.  Entity or otherwise.


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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: Blue Cthulhu]
    #28571779 - 12/06/23 05:11 PM (1 month, 21 days ago)

Edited: Looking closer that's a compilation of stuff, some of it created by that one guy. It's not his original posts. That Nexus project has been a work over time for years.

I will trawl my brain until his name comes up, so I can find that original set of posts I was talking about.


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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: Northerner] * 1
    #28571815 - 12/06/23 05:43 PM (1 month, 21 days ago)

So, here's another thing about priming.

Or rather, it's opposite.

This lexicon and the grasping at the concepts and language in it, was a hindrance in my knowing these experiences, even when face to face with some of them ten years ago when I first got into DMT.

It's kinda the opposite of what you were suggesting earlier BC.

If you give me your account of Northerner, and you primarily see in red and blue, and me in yellow, I'll be looking for someone red and blue my whole life, and not realize that Northerner has been right here in the thread with us the whole fucking time.

What I'm saying is I had formed such strong ideas about some of these things, that I dismissed ego deaths (hard and soft), breakthroughs, etc.  For nearly a decade.

Often it's been better for me to go into things with a beginners mind is what I'm saying.  Which is the same boundary Northerner made for themselves I believe.  I'm just using a bit different language.


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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: tree frog]
    #28571891 - 12/06/23 06:58 PM (1 month, 21 days ago)

That makes a lot of sense, tree frog. I suppose there is a role to be played each for sharing knowledge/maps of the territory, as well as the beginner's mind for having fresh and unadulterated (as possible) experiences and then comparing notes AFTER the fact.


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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: tree frog]
    #28572046 - 12/06/23 08:09 PM (1 month, 21 days ago)

What is the negative association with the word ontological that would lead you to apologize?


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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #28572059 - 12/06/23 08:15 PM (1 month, 21 days ago)

My hubbububba saw a naked woman in trees when he closed his eyes on something like 8 grams of dried cubensis once. He said she led him through the trees to a pool of water and spoke to him directly without words. He said the same thing about a one eyed giraffe creature, speaking to him without words. He calls this woman a goddess, and she was completely naked. She told him things about life, and he said it was astonishing but informative. He had never heard about Maria Sabina before or anything like this either. This was his first large trip if I am not mistaken. I find this extra curious. I have encountered entities. on DMT a multiple armed woman reached in my mouth and held my lungs while I was breathing, and the arms all formed into one elephant trunk-like thing.


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