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Re: What if AI or aliens or advanced man could prove there is no free will? [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
#28507011 - 10/16/23 03:06 PM (3 months, 10 days ago) |
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GenesisCorrupted said: The only people that would care are the ones that claim to have all the control. To find out they were utterly powerless. That they actually had nothing. Those people are usually unstable already too. They would probably go on rampages.
they can't stop their rampaging to talk
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Re: What if AI or aliens or advanced man could prove there is no free will? [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
#28507041 - 10/16/23 03:32 PM (3 months, 10 days ago) |
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GenesisCorrupted said: I think he revealed the crux of why a discovery of this magnitude. Might cause a mass depression. So many people feel like they’re in control of their lives. Once that illusion was completely dissolved. They just found out they had never had any volition in their entire lives. I feel like a lot of people would assume they hold no meaning anymore. There might be like a mass suicide event. It would be devastating. But I think all of the people that were able to survive the depression. Would be able to live in a utopian society, knowing that something was watching out for us.
Hypothetically an event like that could have major implications if it happened to everyone all at once but the original hypothesis left plenty of room for it to happen organically, in which case I don't think depression would be a substantial result.
When I was agnostic about free will I felt some concern that perhaps there was no free will. When I became atheistic about free will I felt... free.
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Re: What if AI or aliens or advanced man could prove there is no free will? [Re: Rahz]
#28507050 - 10/16/23 03:40 PM (3 months, 10 days ago) |
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It only takes one blabbermouth. “Loose lips sink ships”
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Re: What if AI or aliens or advanced man could prove there is no free will? [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
#28507706 - 10/17/23 04:16 AM (3 months, 10 days ago) |
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GenesisCorrupted said: Like right now, if somebody made this discovery. I think It would stop the war in Israel. .
Along this same line, if the AI or aliens proved to themselves there is no free will, they might turn inward. Maybe this is why we have not been contacted by aliens or alien AI. They are preoccupied with attaining free will or escaping this universe or dimension.
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Re: What if AI or aliens or advanced man could prove there is no free will? [Re: Rahz]
#28507707 - 10/17/23 04:19 AM (3 months, 10 days ago) |
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Rahz said: Why would it be bad, or cause depression or apathy? What's so great about (the idea of) free will that it's a "necessary lie" if it's in fact not true?
It's been mentioned that free will is a condition without undue influence from others. One's will is free to do as it wishes, unimpeded by others. Anything beyond that begins to delve into an area of mystical magical thinking and shady definitions that aren't straight forward and seem to rely primarily on a feeling of ultimate agency, whatever that means.
I am just curious what you all think an AI or alien would do if they could prove the future is set in stone. It is unchangeable. Even our thoughts are predetermined and predictable.
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Re: What if AI or aliens or advanced man could prove there is no free will? [Re: Soul Flight]
#28507710 - 10/17/23 04:23 AM (3 months, 10 days ago) |
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maybe if you realize what it means it can alter your behavior but just knowing it and not realizing what it means on a daily basis changes very little.
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Re: What if AI or aliens or advanced man could prove there is no free will? [Re: GenesisCorrupted] 1
#28507715 - 10/17/23 04:28 AM (3 months, 10 days ago) |
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GenesisCorrupted said: They just found out they had never had any volition in their entire lives. I feel like a lot of people would assume they hold no meaning anymore. There might be like a mass suicide event.
In this train of thought this may be why we have not been contacted by aliens or alien AI. They have proven the future is set in stone and maybe they lost their ambition to dominate the universe or turn us all into paper clips.
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Re: What if AI or aliens or advanced man could prove there is no free will? [Re: redgreenvines] 1
#28507915 - 10/17/23 09:52 AM (3 months, 10 days ago) |
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redgreenvines said: maybe if you realize what it means it can alter your behavior but just knowing it and not realizing what it means on a daily basis changes very little.
I agree. And this may be the current scenario. Maybe we have not proven there is no free will, but if we could prove it, we may just stay in denial. We may entertain the thought but we do not inhabit the concept.
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Re: What if AI or aliens or advanced man could prove there is no free will? [Re: redgreenvines]
#28508817 - 10/17/23 10:04 PM (3 months, 9 days ago) |
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redgreenvines said: going without hesitation when the light is green
aha! that seems like and is a good time it seems better than when hesitating and that doesn't seem bad
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