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Re: Advice on harvesting my shrooms, exciting times! [Re: meta_mmxxii]
    #28509704 - 10/18/23 04:45 PM (3 months, 8 days ago)

That's a wholesome flush for a first time, you're definitely doing it right. Congrats!

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Oh so theres no definitive convention in 2023 for this?
When twisting it takes the top few mm of sub along with the myc carpet on the surface, is this acceptable? Is the aborts all the tiny pin shrooms?





In my experience twisting and pulling has been better simply because I might just be bad at cutting them and the stumps seem to block out further pinning, but I think you can do either depending on how stubborn they are. I also don't like how the stumps look either.

It's fine to pull a bit of substrate with them as you pull them. Just make sure you don't take out entire carrots of sub

Aborts are usually smaller pins that turn out dark brown/black and return to the mycelium. You can spot them early when you see the cap start to darken and IME they tend to get a bit fuzzy all over as if morphing back to myc. No big deal about them but if you see them you can pick them up and they're usually still potent.

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Am i looking at the same temp in an fan oven? 160f is around 70c, should i crank it up?





Get a cheap/used dehydrator (another one I guess lmao), you can usually find some around for 15-30 bucks. The kind that stacks vertically, you can also find some additional plates for basically nothing around if you know where to look, or downright just mod some up.

I dry mine at 70°C but as mentioned before up to 90°C is fine. Lower temps will just take longer. Also ovens will create hot spots and they might make them look burned and ugly in places.

If your oven has a fan in the back make sure it's running at all times (and I think people usually leave the oven door open to circulate more air but I don't know about that).

The key in drying them efficiently is to have a lot of air circulating over them. You can dry them without heat with just a fan as well but it's going to take a long time. I think the consensus is that the faster you can dry them, the less potency you're potentially losing, but I don't think it makes a big difference.
If you want to hold onto them because you can't immediately dry, you can put them in a paper bag or wrap them loosely in dry tissues and shove them into your fridge for about 3-4 days max.

Get them cracker dry (stem splits when you try to bend them), and ideally, get some food grade silica gel packets (you can find them dirt cheap) to throw in your storage especially if you plan on keeping them in there for a longer time. Roughly 1g per litre your container can hold is a good measure.
Also you don't need a lot of them, you can re-dry them in a dehydrator for re-use later.


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Re: Advice on harvesting my shrooms, exciting times! [Re: MrJong]
    #28509717 - 10/18/23 04:57 PM (3 months, 8 days ago)

i have no advice to add, just want to add that i'm jealous of your first flush

nice work :rockon:


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Re: Advice on harvesting my shrooms, exciting times! [Re: NotFromGeorgia] * 1
    #28510150 - 10/19/23 02:13 AM (3 months, 7 days ago)

I would definitely suggest a dehydrator over oven.


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Re: Advice on harvesting my shrooms, exciting times! [Re: magicmick]
    #28510205 - 10/19/23 04:13 AM (3 months, 7 days ago)

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Oh so theres no definitive convention in 2023 for this? Im harvesting now, ive actually cut and left stumps on a patch in the middle just for experimental purposes, i feel more comfortable with push twist pull to be fair, it just feels better to me aswel those stumps look like they could rot if left, is that the case?



I'd listen to RR.
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To clarify one more thing; some strains produce fruits which are barely attached to the substrate at all, often falling over when mature on their own.  With these you can twist and pull without causing any damage to the cake or other bulk substrate, so go ahead and do so.  Other strains have fruits which are deeply attached and if you twist and pull these, you rip out a chunk of substrate.  In these cases, always cut the fruit off at the base and leave the stump.  It will not rot, contrary to constant ranting by inexperienced growers that it will.




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Re: Advice on harvesting my shrooms, exciting times! [Re: magicmick] * 1
    #28510360 - 10/19/23 10:09 AM (3 months, 7 days ago)

Ok i was gonna run through the messages and quote and answer each of you guys but its too much for my little brain so just to catch up...

Thanks you all for the advice provided, this community rocks, and thanks for the love regarding my first grow, i gotta say im very smitten with it right now! Im glad you like my tek meta, all you need is a wife and a knife, doesnt even have to be your own one mate lol.


As you guys mentioned and i found out the oven isnt the best, it worked ok in the end but first i left the door shut for 30mins before reading i should leave the door open, at that point of proping it open they had gone pretty blue and are now quite dark all over, needless to say ive got my self a hydrator coming from amazon 2maro, i cant have that kind of heart ache again...

Would you legends kindly take a look at my dried harvest pic below and tell me if they look ok, they are cracker dry and smell good, ive had some that i was microdosing with from a local source and they smell the same as those no icky mould smells or anything, i just feel concerned at how dark blue they are, valuable lesson learnt right there. Let me know what you think i got 5 ounces of cracker dry shrooms, is that a good benchmark for a first flush?

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Re: Advice on harvesting my shrooms, exciting times! [Re: magicmick]
    #28510472 - 10/19/23 12:22 PM (3 months, 7 days ago)

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Ok i was gonna run through the messages and quote and answer each of you guys but its too much for my little brain so just to catch up...

Thanks you all for the advice provided, this community rocks, and thanks for the love regarding my first grow, i gotta say im very smitten with it right now! Im glad you like my tek meta, all you need is a wife and a knife, doesnt even have to be your own one mate lol.


As you guys mentioned and i found out the oven isnt the best, it worked ok in the end but first i left the door shut for 30mins before reading i should leave the door open, at that point of proping it open they had gone pretty blue and are now quite dark all over, needless to say ive got my self a hydrator coming from amazon 2maro, i cant have that kind of heart ache again...

Would you legends kindly take a look at my dried harvest pic below and tell me if they look ok, they are cracker dry and smell good, ive had some that i was microdosing with from a local source and they smell the same as those no icky mould smells or anything, i just feel concerned at how dark blue they are, valuable lesson learnt right there. Let me know what you think i got 5 ounces of cracker dry shrooms, is that a good benchmark for a first flush?

Mush love people :mushroom2::heart:





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Re: Advice on harvesting my shrooms, exciting times! [Re: meta_mmxxii]
    #28511586 - 10/20/23 10:31 AM (3 months, 6 days ago)





I love this guy,"wife and a knife", your killing me man lmfao.





Lol lol i think we got something going here with this tek bro, i think it could catch on, may go and write up a how to guide for the community see if it catches on...

What do you think about the dried product pics my freind, they have gone really dark blue, are they ok? Ive got a dehydrator now, does the dehydrator help preserve the original colours? I got some from a plug for mocrodosing previously and they where so perfectly dried and preserved, how do i get them like that, see my pic below



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Re: Advice on harvesting my shrooms, exciting times! [Re: magicmick]
    #28511637 - 10/20/23 11:19 AM (3 months, 6 days ago)

I think your oven shrooms look fine.  Your mushrooms keep dropping spores as they're drying, and they can stick to the stipes.  The other ones you have look like albinos.  They won't drop spores, and even if they do, they're clear.


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Re: Advice on harvesting my shrooms, exciting times! [Re: Kinoko314]
    #28511857 - 10/20/23 01:58 PM (3 months, 6 days ago)

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I think your oven shrooms look fine.  Your mushrooms keep dropping spores as they're drying, and they can stick to the stipes.  The other ones you have look like albinos.  They won't drop spores, and even if they do, they're clear.





Ahh ok thats interesting, just shows how little i know, i thought it was somthing to do with drying method, thanks for advising bro :heart::mushroom2:


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Re: Advice on harvesting my shrooms, exciting times! [Re: magicmick]
    #28511882 - 10/20/23 02:10 PM (3 months, 6 days ago)

Im now getting ready for my second flush, ive given the sub a good mist, in the picture below you can see the stumps from some i cut, ive done this for research purposes as i prefer twist and pull but wanted to see what happens to those stumps, the question i have is i have lots of tiny pins, are these the second flush or should i have removed these as aborts? Some are a little loose in the sub, ive tried to remove all the loose and black ones. The small shrooms on the left are what i left from first flush as they where so small, they have grown a little more but things feel pretty still in there.

How does it look to you experience growers and any advice on my next steps?



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Re: Advice on harvesting my shrooms, exciting times! [Re: magicmick]
    #28512627 - 10/21/23 07:39 AM (3 months, 5 days ago)

Hi everyone...

Can anyone help me please?

Please take a look at my pic of my substrate now, its starting to get fuzzy, im still confused as to what i should "clean" or keep for second flush, as previously posted ive removed the loose and blackend aborts (or so i believe) but im still not completly sure im doing things right, see pics below i have a couple of areas that are very white fluffy, is this mould? Any advice for me at this point would be very welcome, also how long before the second flush starts?

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Re: Advice on harvesting my shrooms, exciting times! [Re: magicmick]
    #28512651 - 10/21/23 08:10 AM (3 months, 5 days ago)

Thats trich at the bottom and bottom right side of the tub - harvest what you can asap, but that tub is quickly on it's way to the compost pile.


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Re: Advice on harvesting my shrooms, exciting times! [Re: PBJ710]
    #28512860 - 10/21/23 10:53 AM (3 months, 5 days ago)

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Thats trich at the bottom and bottom right side of the tub - harvest what you can asap, but that tub is quickly on it's way to the compost pile.





Thanks for advising bro, theres nothing really to harvest anyway... didnt think that looked good, as times passing its looking a little green and spreading, so no second flush for me, and after such a decent first flush...

So whats the likley cause of that and how should i look to avoid it in future? Is trich mold?:frown:


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Re: Advice on harvesting my shrooms, exciting times! [Re: magicmick] * 1
    #28512889 - 10/21/23 11:27 AM (3 months, 5 days ago)

It really comes down to clean spawn.


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Re: Advice on harvesting my shrooms, exciting times! [Re: meta_mmxxii]
    #28512986 - 10/21/23 01:01 PM (3 months, 5 days ago)

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It really comes down to clean spawn.





Roger that sir! I will have to master agar and stop injecting spores direct to grain for that i assume? :heart::mushroom2:


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    #28513014 - 10/21/23 01:28 PM (3 months, 5 days ago)

Yeah, pretty much.  Unless you can make your own clean spore syringes, verified on agar.

You're better off just getting a clean culture on agar ime.


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    #28513017 - 10/21/23 01:31 PM (3 months, 5 days ago)

Even just a little bit of bacteria will greatly reduce the life expectency of a tub.  Clean cultures from agar FTW.


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Re: Advice on harvesting my shrooms, exciting times! [Re: PBJ710]
    #28513197 - 10/21/23 03:37 PM (3 months, 5 days ago)

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Yeah, pretty much.  Unless you can make your own clean spore syringes, verified on agar.

You're better off just getting a clean culture on agar ime.



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Even just a little bit of bacteria will greatly reduce the life expectency of a tub.  Clean cultures from agar FTW.





Thanks for advising, i will get on with learning the process and giving it ago, ive got my next 2 grows of grain bags colonising so in the meantime i can work it out... You say about making my own clean spawn, so spawn isnt created equal? So i could also seek out a more reputable spawn supplier and potentially get a better result? Atm i get "free gifts" in the form of spore syringes when buying my grain and bulk from a local company, i just use these freebees but there is another company that i could use that are dedicated to just syringes im wondering if there product may be better?

Just to be sure gents, nothing i can do with it? Can i dig out the sub with it on, try and nick a few more shrooms from this tub? or shall i just bin it?



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Re: Advice on harvesting my shrooms, exciting times! [Re: magicmick]
    #28513957 - 10/22/23 10:18 AM (3 months, 4 days ago)

Spawn is colonized grain.  The fancy way of saying "clean" is "axenic".  An axenic culture has no other organisms riding along.

Mold and yeast are pretty obvious, but bacteria is sneaky.  It takes some practice to interpret growth characteristics of mycelium as presence of bacteria.  As your spawn gets cleaner over time, your results will get better.

If your tub has pins currently growing then you could wait for them to mature, but otherwise I would just toss it.  You could try to dig it out, but it's a messier process than you might think, and it's hard to know how far through the substrate it reaches.  It's your call, but probably not worth it.


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Re: Advice on harvesting my shrooms, exciting times! [Re: Kinoko314]
    #28513976 - 10/22/23 10:32 AM (3 months, 4 days ago)

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Spawn is colonized grain.  The fancy way of saying "clean" is "axenic".  An axenic culture has no other organisms riding along.

Mold and yeast are pretty obvious, but bacteria is sneaky.  It takes some practice to interpret growth characteristics of mycelium as presence of bacteria.  As your spawn gets cleaner over time, your results will get better.

If your tub has pins currently growing then you could wait for them to mature, but otherwise I would just toss it.  You could try to dig it out, but it's a messier process than you might think, and it's hard to know how far through the substrate it reaches.  It's your call, but probably not worth it.





Ok mate thats food for thought, i guess i still have alot to learn, ill get to it! I was mixing up spores with spawn lol, Ive acctually dug out that peice of sub as i have time, my other bags are not colonised fully yet so ill see how it goes over the next week with the bad bit removed, more for experimental purposes at this stage got nothing to loose at this point so might aswel see what happens... im off to read the agar tek and get going on that, thanks for advising bro, mush love :thumbup::heart::mushroom2:


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