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Advice on harvesting my shrooms and second flush, exciting times!
#28507978 - 10/17/23 10:57 AM (3 months, 9 days ago) |
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Hi everyone.
Im not quite ready for harvest yet but things are moving pretty quickly now so wanted to get some more advice at the point im at.
Please take a look at my pics and tell me what you think, it feels good to me?
I can see some mature shroomes with small pins attached i assume i wait for the small ones to catch up as some are attached to the mature ones and i cannot see how i would remove the larger ones from the base without those coming too? Or do i cut them away leaving the small ones and a stump?
How does my sub look, when would you advise, if at all, any misting?
How mature can i leave the shrooms before i harvest, i hear when the vale breaks i should cut them with a scalpal and some people say let them mature fully and open right out...
All your advise and wisdom is greatly appreciated guys. Thanks for all the support so far i couldnt have got this far without this community and the TC's taking the time to school me, True legends...
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Re: Advice on harvesting my shrooms, exciting times! [Re: magicmick]
#28508004 - 10/17/23 11:09 AM (3 months, 9 days ago) |
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Nice pinset. You obviously did something right. Good job.
When you harvest is really up to you and what you want. Need to make spore prints? Wait for the caps to open wide and you see some spores drop.
Want bag appeal? Cut them out when the veil breaks, but the caps are still small. Looks good and they fit in the dehydrator better.
Those still have a little bit of time, but I bet some of those small pins don’t ever mature. I usually have a bunch of small aborts at the bottoms of my harvest when I have a good pinset like that.
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Re: Advice on harvesting my shrooms, exciting times! [Re: RoscoeReturns]
#28508018 - 10/17/23 11:22 AM (3 months, 9 days ago) |
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RoscoeReturns said: Nice pinset. You obviously did something right. Good job.
Mate! You have made me feel a little emotional with that comment, that really means alot coming from and experienced member! 
Its all down to this community, ive not done my tub holes in line with current guidlines as i used outdated info unknowingly for that, but its a work in progress and my first one, so ill take that.
I guess i just want them to be as good as they can be in terms of quality of fruit and yeild.
So i guess theres no exact science at this point then? I just feel i dont want to waste smaller pins when cutting away the big ones if thats at all possible? Would you just take the larger ones off and take the small ones or is it advisable to leave a bit of stump for them to grow further, or do they not get any bigger leaving them like that?
And how do i know when i need to mist the tub during this phase?

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Re: Advice on harvesting my shrooms, exciting times! [Re: magicmick]
#28508024 - 10/17/23 11:35 AM (3 months, 9 days ago) |
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Really nice-looking tray! When I harvest my shroomies, I apply a slight bit of side pressure and twist simultaneously, and the fruit will come out really nice. Not only do you get the whole fruit but it also does not leave a stump on your sub that can attract bacteria. Sometimes also when you have a few grouped together, removing the biggest one as I described, usually just takes out the big guy. Congrats on the grow!
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Re: Advice on harvesting my shrooms, exciting times! [Re: magicmick]
#28508045 - 10/17/23 11:57 AM (3 months, 9 days ago) |
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It this point you don’t really need to do anything but wait, harvest, then get ready for flush 2.
I know you want to let every single pin reach it’s potential, but letting the flush linger on like that will take a while. It also doesn’t allow the second flush to come in all at once, but instead you’ll just have a few more mushrooms each day for a while. Not very efficient.
If it were me, i would wait until the largest are just dropping spores, and then harvest everything. Use a knife or scissors and cut everything just above the surface of the substrate. You should get a few caps for printing, a bunch of nice sized fruit to dry and store, and also a bunch of smaller stuff. Those small ones still keep nice. Then you’ll have a nice clean surface to hydrate and wait for second flush.
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Re: Advice on harvesting my shrooms, exciting times! [Re: RoscoeReturns]
#28508171 - 10/17/23 01:34 PM (3 months, 9 days ago) |
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meta_mmxxii said: Really nice-looking tray! When I harvest my shroomies, I apply a slight bit of side pressure and twist simultaneously, and the fruit will come out really nice. Not only do you get the whole fruit but it also does not leave a stump on your sub that can attract bacteria. Sometimes also when you have a few grouped together, removing the biggest one as I described, usually just takes out the big guy. Congrats on the grow!
Thanks bro! Sound advice, it seems people use both methods, seems like pros and cons both ways, so do you pluck the big ones out and try and let the smaller ones go a bit longer and if so how long would u wait thus not to effect the second flush?
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RoscoeReturns said: It this point you don’t really need to do anything but wait, harvest, then get ready for flush 2.
I know you want to let every single pin reach it’s potential, but letting the flush linger on like that will take a while. It also doesn’t allow the second flush to come in all at once, but instead you’ll just have a few more mushrooms each day for a while. Not very efficient.
If it were me, i would wait until the largest are just dropping spores, and then harvest everything. Use a knife or scissors and cut everything just above the surface of the substrate. You should get a few caps for printing, a bunch of nice sized fruit to dry and store, and also a bunch of smaller stuff. Those small ones still keep nice. Then you’ll have a nice clean surface to hydrate and wait for second flush.
So u would take all down at once by cutting? At what point would u harvest, when the first one meets maturity? How long can you leave them before harvest? For example is it when the cap is fully splayed out? Horizontal?

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Re: Advice on harvesting my shrooms, exciting times! [Re: magicmick]
#28508193 - 10/17/23 01:52 PM (3 months, 9 days ago) |
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You CAN wait until they curl up and everything is black with spore. I wouldn’t wait quite that long, but you could. Mush aren’t like total shit until the veil breaks, then awesome for two days, then rotting goo the next day. They are what they are for quite some time. Experiment. Just wait and see how this flush develops then you’ll know what to expect for next time.
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Re: Advice on harvesting my shrooms, exciting times! [Re: RoscoeReturns]
#28508199 - 10/17/23 01:57 PM (3 months, 9 days ago) |
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I have nothing to add to what roscoe said.
This looks like a great flush sir. I personally twist and pull, never cut. Please let me know if theres anything else I can do.
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Re: Advice on harvesting my shrooms, exciting times! [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
#28508923 - 10/18/23 01:16 AM (3 months, 9 days ago) |
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Thanks gents sound advice! Ive added another pic, ive got up this morning and i have a few veils broken, ive had to go to work so i cannot harvest till i get home in around 8 hours, i assume another 8 hours from this point will not be too long?
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BeefSupremeJr said: I have nothing to add to what roscoe said.
This looks like a great flush sir. I personally twist and pull, never cut. Please let me know if theres anything else I can do.
Thanks for your continued support bro! Glad you like it, So twist and pull it is. Whats the primary reason one does not cut? When twist and pulling do i take each shroom or the whole cluster? And when harvesting everything does that include every single pin? Or do i leave the smallest pins? Is there an advised size that denotes the first flush? Or is everything thats showing denote the first flush must everything be removed for the second? Then am i misting after harvest?
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Edit! This is them now 10hrs after the last one, so guys just take the lot even the smaller ones on the sides etc?  
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Re: Advice on harvesting my shrooms, exciting times! [Re: magicmick]
#28509339 - 10/18/23 11:22 AM (3 months, 8 days ago) |
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I don't like the look of stumps i guess. Thats about it. I'll harvest and then wipe the sub clean of aborts to have a fresh surface to start again.
Thats if i even second flush. I live for canopies so I often don't bother.
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Re: Advice on harvesting my shrooms, exciting times! [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
#28509408 - 10/18/23 12:07 PM (3 months, 8 days ago) |
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BeefSupremeJr said: I don't like the look of stumps i guess. Thats about it. I'll harvest and then wipe the sub clean of aborts to have a fresh surface to start again.
Thats if i even second flush. I live for canopies so I often don't bother.
Oh so theres no definitive convention in 2023 for this? Im harvesting now, ive actually cut and left stumps on a patch in the middle just for experimental purposes, i feel more comfortable with push twist pull to be fair, it just feels better to me aswel those stumps look like they could rot if left, is that the case?, is it just asthetics for you?
When twisting it takes the top few mm of sub along with the myc carpet on the surface, is this acceptable? Is the aborts all the tiny pin shrooms?
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Re: Advice on harvesting my shrooms, exciting times! [Re: magicmick]
#28509416 - 10/18/23 12:12 PM (3 months, 8 days ago) |
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Yes some strains take more sub with it then others. We call it "politeness" in harvesting. I had some tidal wave that were so rude when harvesting i never grew them again.
fp+ is so polite they take nothing with them. They almost fall right off the sub and I love that.
Yours are standard, just do your best. You can clean them with your fingers or cut the base with a knife.
Fahtster has a tek for cleaning the coir off after you dry them. Its basically shaking the bag and letting all the coir fall to the bottom once its dry.
Whatevers clever.
let us know how your experiment turns out as I will be adding a harvesting and drying section to the hitchhikers guide at some point in the near future.
Great job by the way, let me know how they work.
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Re: Advice on harvesting my shrooms, exciting times! [Re: magicmick]
#28509423 - 10/18/23 12:15 PM (3 months, 8 days ago) |
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magicmick said: And when harvesting everything does that include every single pin? Or do i leave the smallest pins? Is there an advised size that denotes the first flush? Or is everything thats showing denote the first flush must everything be removed for the second? Then am i misting after harvest?
The term "flush" is an approximate term, at least after the first flush. You can get a steady stream of a few shrooms after that. They don't usually grow all perfectly at the same time like the first flush. At least that's been my experience thus far.
So the short answer is that everything you have now is your first flush. You can harvest most and leave the small ones to get bigger if you want. Once you pick the last ones, you can rehydrate and wait for a second flush.
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Re: Advice on harvesting my shrooms, exciting times! [Re: Kinoko314]
#28509449 - 10/18/23 12:35 PM (3 months, 8 days ago) |
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BeefSupremeJr said: Yes some strains take more sub with it then others. We call it "politeness" in harvesting. I had some tidal wave that were so rude when harvesting i never grew them again.
fp+ is so polite they take nothing with them. They almost fall right off the sub and I love that.
Yours are standard, just do your best. You can clean them with your fingers or cut the base with a knife.
Fahtster has a tek for cleaning the coir off after you dry them. Its basically shaking the bag and letting all the coir fall to the bottom once its dry.
Whatevers clever.
let us know how your experiment turns out as I will be adding a harvesting and drying section to the hitchhikers guide at some point in the near future.
Great job by the way, let me know how they work.
Thats a cool term for describing that, i like that lol, i have a genius way ive worked out how to deal with the shite on the bottom with minimal effort while having a cup of tea, its called "get the wife to do it" tek, works a treat mate!
So from what you see my sub is ok?
When u say clean the sub do you mean all of those little pins? Are they worth keeping and drying for the jar? Or do i just bin them?
Thanks mate, feel so chuffed with it, i felt i made a bit of a hash of it, i think ive bruised them more than id like...
Of course id be more than happy to help in any way i can with the guide, absolutly my pleasure! I will keep this thread updated, see live pictures below whats your weight estimate on that first flush?   
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Re: Advice on harvesting my shrooms, exciting times! [Re: Kinoko314]
#28509453 - 10/18/23 12:39 PM (3 months, 8 days ago) |
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magicmick said: And when harvesting everything does that include every single pin? Or do i leave the smallest pins? Is there an advised size that denotes the first flush? Or is everything thats showing denote the first flush must everything be removed for the second? Then am i misting after harvest?
The term "flush" is an approximate term, at least after the first flush. You can get a steady stream of a few shrooms after that. They don't usually grow all perfectly at the same time like the first flush. At least that's been my experience thus far.
So the short answer is that everything you have now is your first flush. You can harvest most and leave the small ones to get bigger if you want. Once you pick the last ones, you can rehydrate and wait for a second flush.
Roger that my friend, thanks for the advice, the small ones just feel/felt so disturbed will they bite back into the sub and grow then? I just found it so hard to pluck the big ones without disturbing them...
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Re: Advice on harvesting my shrooms, exciting times! [Re: magicmick]
#28509461 - 10/18/23 12:46 PM (3 months, 8 days ago) |
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Have you got any advice gentlemen, for the dehydrator? I only have a small ninja foodi so ill have do batches, what setting on the dehydrator and roughly how long am i looking?
How should i store the others while there waiting for there turn to get dry?
 
Edit! Ok thats not going to work... my dehydrator is waayyy to small for this job, i have a decent neff circotherm oven that can go as low as 40c, i think this will work better, what temp am i going for if i was to do in the oven, in the instructioms it states use the "circotherm" setting for dehydration, im about to take the plunge please let me know what u all think??
Should i start a new thread for this guys?
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Re: Advice on harvesting my shrooms, exciting times! [Re: magicmick]
#28509495 - 10/18/23 01:12 PM (3 months, 8 days ago) |
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The Ninja Foodi can dehydrate pretty quick, and pretty hot. If you fill it up it'll probably take 12-15 hours. I usually start it at 165 and crank it up after a few hours. It seems like it shits out more spores at the high temps. I don't know, I'm trying to get that figured out. It wouldn't be a problem if I harvested before the veil broke, but I usually let the caps open.
Store the rest in the fridge, ideally in a paper bag.
Other people will probably tell you that you need to dehydrate for 24 hours, but those people don't own a Ninja Foodi.
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Re: Advice on harvesting my shrooms, exciting times! [Re: Kinoko314]
#28509557 - 10/18/23 02:02 PM (3 months, 8 days ago) |
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Kinoko314 said: The Ninja Foodi can dehydrate pretty quick, and pretty hot. If you fill it up it'll probably take 12-15 hours. I usually start it at 165 and crank it up after a few hours. It seems like it shits out more spores at the high temps. I don't know, I'm trying to get that figured out. It wouldn't be a problem if I harvested before the veil broke, but I usually let the caps open.
Store the rest in the fridge, ideally in a paper bag.
Other people will probably tell you that you need to dehydrate for 24 hours, but those people don't own a Ninja Foodi.
Roger that bro, however i changed the plan as per the edit on my last post, started putting them in the rack and it became quickly apparent i have fuck all room in the ninja i would need to do alot of runs so decided to bang in the oven at 55c, didnt plan for that kind of amount on my first flush, a good learning curve to have tho lol.
Am i looking at the same temp in an fan oven? 160f is around 70c, should i crank it up?
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Re: Advice on harvesting my shrooms, exciting times! [Re: magicmick]
#28509642 - 10/18/23 03:24 PM (3 months, 8 days ago) |
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Well, the Ninja goes up to 195F, and I wouldn't be comfortable going higher than that anyway. I don't know how even the heat will be in the oven, so it may be best to stick to 160F/70C, but don't go above 90C.
That's my best suggestion while not knowing the quirks of your oven.
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Re: Advice on harvesting my shrooms, exciting times! [Re: magicmick]
#28509689 - 10/18/23 04:29 PM (3 months, 8 days ago) |
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magicmick said:
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BeefSupremeJr said: Yes some strains take more sub with it then others. We call it "politeness" in harvesting. I had some tidal wave that were so rude when harvesting i never grew them again.
fp+ is so polite they take nothing with them. They almost fall right off the sub and I love that.
Yours are standard, just do your best. You can clean them with your fingers or cut the base with a knife.
Fahtster has a tek for cleaning the coir off after you dry them. Its basically shaking the bag and letting all the coir fall to the bottom once its dry.
Whatevers clever.
let us know how your experiment turns out as I will be adding a harvesting and drying section to the hitchhikers guide at some point in the near future.
Great job by the way, let me know how they work.
Thats a cool term for describing that, i like that lol, i have a genius way ive worked out how to deal with the shite on the bottom with minimal effort while having a cup of tea, its called "get the wife to do it" tek, works a treat mate!
So from what you see my sub is ok?
When u say clean the sub do you mean all of those little pins? Are they worth keeping and drying for the jar? Or do i just bin them?
Thanks mate, feel so chuffed with it, i felt i made a bit of a hash of it, i think ive bruised them more than id like...
Of course id be more than happy to help in any way i can with the guide, absolutly my pleasure! I will keep this thread updated, see live pictures below whats your weight estimate on that first flush?   

That is awesome bro! "Get the wife to do it" tek, I love it!
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