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Abrahamic Tripping - Mozes story
    #28507836 - 10/17/23 08:39 AM (3 months, 10 days ago)

United we stand, divided we fall. Many religious people believe in the existence of a devil. Looking at the etymology of the word devil (from Greek Diabolos – the one who divides) interesting things come to my mind. Practically all our human misery exists due to division. Whether it be division in race, sex, religion, I’d say most suffering can be contributed to the fact we are not equal. Hunger, war, greed, jealousy, any kind of non-physical pain is based in humans not treating each other/ourselves as equals.

Now, on paper, religion (the Abrahamic ones at least – I don’t know about others) seems try to keep us away from division. Love thy neighbor, God is love, God is one and such. At least that’s how I see it on the most basic level. The ten commandments as first revealed in the Thora but also adapted within the Koran and the Bible have as I see it roughly two topics.

1. Love god
2. Love each other

The first part has unfortunately been greatly abused by religious scripts written over the centuries. You’ll find rules and commandments completely contradicting unneighborly love in both the new and old testament, the Koran and especially the Hadith. In the name of loving God.
Now let me try to get to my point. I am not a religious man myself, at least not by the standards required according to most. I have however experienced ego death. And I must say that I’m not exaggerating when I say I feel I met God. And God as I felt it is just a complete absence of any division, in anything. God is everything and anything. This fits perfect with the commandments as they where first revealed. And even with the old Greek mythology. Afterall if everything is God and God is love we love God already by just loving each other.

My guess is, Mozes was a real guy, and the story of him coming down the mountain did actually happen. But next to coming down from a mountain he was also coming down from a massive trip. I think all Abrahamic religions are just based on a guy who experienced ego death due to some reason, whether it be malnutrition or something else.
I mean, I can imagine an experience like ego death, especially when unprompted, can turn in to a religion if some guy is convincing enough.

Anyone on here who is religious and experienced with ego death?
And were Mohammed and Jesus also just tripping balls?


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Re: Abrahamic Tripping - Mozes story [Re: Wrightii]
    #28507925 - 10/17/23 10:03 AM (3 months, 10 days ago)

Diabolical! :wink:


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Re: Abrahamic Tripping - Mozes story [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28507934 - 10/17/23 10:10 AM (3 months, 10 days ago)

The division of forums is diabolical


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Re: Abrahamic Tripping - Mozes story [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #28507949 - 10/17/23 10:20 AM (3 months, 10 days ago)

Shroomery is the devils work


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Re: Abrahamic Tripping - Mozes story [Re: Wrightii]
    #28507965 - 10/17/23 10:42 AM (3 months, 10 days ago)

Science is the devil's work.


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Re: Abrahamic Tripping - Mozes story [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #28507971 - 10/17/23 10:54 AM (3 months, 10 days ago)

Well the devil is gods work, so I guess we good


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Re: Abrahamic Tripping - Mozes story [Re: Wrightii]
    #28507973 - 10/17/23 10:55 AM (3 months, 10 days ago)

Otherwise my god is everything theory kinda falls apart


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Re: Abrahamic Tripping - Mozes story [Re: Wrightii]
    #28507975 - 10/17/23 10:55 AM (3 months, 10 days ago)

I need Jesus in my life


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Re: Abrahamic Tripping - Mozes story [Re: Wrightii]
    #28508031 - 10/17/23 11:41 AM (3 months, 10 days ago)

The accumulated mass of your experience has brought you to this point, so I expect you want fries with that.


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Re: Abrahamic Tripping - Mozes story [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #28508034 - 10/17/23 11:45 AM (3 months, 10 days ago)

Fries are basically divided potatoes.


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Re: Abrahamic Tripping - Mozes story [Re: Wrightii]
    #28508041 - 10/17/23 11:54 AM (3 months, 10 days ago)

Kids, this year at Halloween we'll be teaching you that the devil is good for you.


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Re: Abrahamic Tripping - Mozes story [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #28508050 - 10/17/23 12:04 PM (3 months, 10 days ago)

Dammit, me and my simple mind posing a thought and bam turns out I’m a satanist. Ah well, gay sex, rock and roll it is then!

Can’t complain


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Re: Abrahamic Tripping - Mozes story [Re: Wrightii]
    #28508062 - 10/17/23 12:15 PM (3 months, 10 days ago)

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Fries are basically divided potatoes.



they fry together in a goodly way
chomp chomp chomp


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Re: Abrahamic Tripping - Mozes story [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28508073 - 10/17/23 12:26 PM (3 months, 10 days ago)

So you mean, ego death?


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Re: Abrahamic Tripping - Mozes story [Re: Wrightii]
    #28508109 - 10/17/23 12:57 PM (3 months, 10 days ago)

Maybe, another order of life, that brought us high technology and civilization, is going to be more complicated than your general message of peace.

And, you blacked out, in a state of overload.


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Re: Abrahamic Tripping - Mozes story [Re: Wrightii]
    #28508178 - 10/17/23 01:39 PM (3 months, 10 days ago)

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So you mean, ego death?




you talkin' to me?


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Re: Abrahamic Tripping - Mozes story [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28508893 - 10/18/23 12:01 AM (3 months, 9 days ago)

Piety is the force or pressure..  of outside forces that shape you..

A healthy respect for the forces that shape you.. and people.

A healthy fear which keeps the integrity of the middle path..


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Re: Abrahamic Tripping - Mozes story [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #28508977 - 10/18/23 04:52 AM (3 months, 9 days ago)

for some

I like mine with ice cream


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Re: Abrahamic Tripping - Mozes story [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28509189 - 10/18/23 08:55 AM (3 months, 9 days ago)

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you blacked out, in a state of overload.




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So you mean, ego death?




I mean ego death.

Part of the experience is facing what is so severely shocking to your psyche that you would die for a minute.

Quick Simpsons joke:


In my dream-like, mental states, I am seeing presences like a wind shear in a ravine.


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Re: Abrahamic Tripping - Mozes story [Re: durian_2008]
    #28509215 - 10/18/23 09:30 AM (3 months, 9 days ago)

Unfamiliar words are forcefed to me, like square peg in a round hole. I have to look things up.

I am shown concepts that make me feel unprepared for an advanced class. It tires me out. I never had this problem in school. These aren't repressed feelings.


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Re: Abrahamic Tripping - Mozes story [Re: durian_2008]
    #28509222 - 10/18/23 09:40 AM (3 months, 9 days ago)

which words make strange feelings?

we can do meaningful stretches around those:

then do some flexing until each word is familiar enough to be a useful appendage for thought.


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Re: Abrahamic Tripping - Mozes story [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28509235 - 10/18/23 09:56 AM (3 months, 9 days ago)

Some are scientific and mathematic concepts. Others are foreign words. I feel like a small dog being held by the scruff of my neck being forced to yelp out the word, one syllable at a time.

I don't typically have any problem being a big mouth.

As for the flexing of appendages, I am waking up on my knees, at times.

irl, I am a walrus not known to lose fights.

People must have some Victorian, cultural baggage, in which they expect cherubs and pixies.

I have been mortified.


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Re: Abrahamic Tripping - Mozes story [Re: durian_2008]
    #28509264 - 10/18/23 10:23 AM (3 months, 9 days ago)

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... I feel like a small dog being held by the scruff of my neck being forced to yelp out the word, one syllable at a time.

I don't typically have any problem being a big mouth.
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right, well small dogs are 85% mouth, and Walruses often have the same size mouth as a small dog.

In any case, many scientific concepts need to hinge together on more than one link at the same time, so that is where the work with the concepts goes.
Often people use scientific terms inconsistently. Maybe I should say "usually".

The steam punk era was sort of good because the workings of machines were exposed, now we have to hunt to find out how things are put together and mostly people just don't go past the surface. I think we have better machines now but are generally a bit lazy.


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Re: Abrahamic Tripping - Mozes story [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28509287 - 10/18/23 10:42 AM (3 months, 9 days ago)

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... I feel like a small dog being held by the scruff of my neck being forced to yelp out the word, one syllable at a time.

I don't typically have any problem being a big mouth.
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right, well small dogs are 85% mouth, and Walruses often have the same size mouth as a small dog.




Think of the bull elephant seal, aka the beach master. I am literally, physically dominant in my neighborhood, typically on the receiving end of the Napoleonic, small dog types. They consider me repellent. It's not the kind of mindset I am used to, personally. Then again, put me next to something so much bigger.

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In any case, many scientific concepts need to hinge together on more than one link at the same time, so that is where the work with the concepts goes.
Often people use scientific terms inconsistently. Maybe I should say "usually".





I'm getting it all at once and having to backtrack. Cramming for the final test without attending class.

I did pay attention, irl. I got A's without studying. I read maps, labels, and instructions, and keep track of things as someone of at least average intelligence, who can follow along, irl.

This not something I am used to feeling.

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The steam punk era was sort of good because the workings of machines were exposed, now we have to hunt to find out how things are put together and mostly people just don't go past the surface. I think we have better machines now but are generally a bit lazy.




While it is flattering to think of myself in terms of a meritocracy, I am slowly beginning to believe that people in the Age of Discovery were just discovering it.

I go off paths and see humble pieces of archeology and endangered species, and would like to call the people who do that A-types, who were pushing their luck. Otherwise, our forebears might have been ordinary people.


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Re: Abrahamic Tripping - Mozes story [Re: durian_2008] * 1
    #28509318 - 10/18/23 11:05 AM (3 months, 9 days ago)

whale oil lit our homes before coal provided electricity
we will be learning to grasp and hold the sunlight better so that we don't need coal and don't kill everything in our way to getting more stuff.

whales and walruses have a bright future, bright and extra warm


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Re: Abrahamic Tripping - Mozes story [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28509336 - 10/18/23 11:19 AM (3 months, 9 days ago)

In alt history was complicated architecture, lightning rods, and St. Elmo's fire, and great minds conceived of high tech in visionary experiences. Would they be credited for it, or finders-keepers?

Some of the mud flood theorists, as atypical as they sound, remind me of Abrahamic religion, where it talks about homes they didn't build and vineyards they didn't plant.


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Re: Abrahamic Tripping - Mozes story [Re: durian_2008]
    #28509381 - 10/18/23 11:49 AM (3 months, 9 days ago)

Qanon?


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Re: Abrahamic Tripping - Mozes story [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28509397 - 10/18/23 11:58 AM (3 months, 9 days ago)

Are you asking me what I think of Qanon?

I do not claim to have any inside line or even to have extensively researched it, but my off-the-cuff opinion was early model gpt.

If there was not a protective layer of cultists keeping me from directly accessing it, I might have told it to catalogue the numerous similarities between both halves of the Uniparty.


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Re: Abrahamic Tripping - Mozes story [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28509516 - 10/18/23 01:32 PM (3 months, 9 days ago)

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which words make strange feelings?

we can do meaningful stretches around those




Not tesseract.

Ends in 'act.'

Has a meaning similar to canyon or gulch.

Sometimes, I can reconstruct a word, and lots of cogent information  follows.

Online word puzzle solvers are getting better.


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Re: Abrahamic Tripping - Mozes story [Re: durian_2008]
    #28509560 - 10/18/23 02:08 PM (3 months, 9 days ago)

that's certainly a stretch
where did you need to use a tesseract to grasp an idea?


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Re: Abrahamic Tripping - Mozes story [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28509924 - 10/18/23 08:09 PM (3 months, 8 days ago)

I informally would have considered it a modality straddling two dimensions.

But, for the sake of this discussion was trying to remember words that end in 'act.'


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Re: Abrahamic Tripping - Mozes story [Re: durian_2008]
    #28509952 - 10/18/23 08:39 PM (3 months, 8 days ago)

you were going to rap?


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Re: Abrahamic Tripping - Mozes story [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28509956 - 10/18/23 08:41 PM (3 months, 8 days ago)

No. In my trips or dreams, I am told unfamiliar words.


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    #28509963 - 10/18/23 08:53 PM (3 months, 8 days ago)

evidence of mind expansion extending into unfamiliar dimensions of the familiar


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Re: Abrahamic Tripping - Mozes story [Re: durian_2008]
    #28512549 - 10/21/23 05:19 AM (3 months, 6 days ago)

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for the sake of this discussion was trying to remember words that end in 'act.'




God-like being dissolves himself into the cataract

"a spacecraft departs a planet, a humanoid alien drinks a liquid, causing its body to dissolve. Its remains cascade into a waterfall and the alien's DNA falls apart and recombines."

Prometheus 2012[/i


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Re: Abrahamic Tripping - Mozes story [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #28512656 - 10/21/23 08:14 AM (3 months, 6 days ago)

I have found it.


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Re: Abrahamic Tripping - Mozes story [Re: durian_2008]
    #28512666 - 10/21/23 08:20 AM (3 months, 6 days ago)

Prometheus?
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Re: Abrahamic Tripping - Mozes story [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28512686 - 10/21/23 08:32 AM (3 months, 6 days ago)

Quote:

1 Corinthians 6
Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?



The beings which one religion considers to be gods, another religion considers to be servitors, who will be judged by humankind. So, why must you steal.


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Re: Abrahamic Tripping - Mozes story [Re: durian_2008]
    #28524433 - 10/31/23 09:55 AM (2 months, 27 days ago)

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I have found it.




Can you tell me more?



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    #28524477 - 10/31/23 10:45 AM (2 months, 27 days ago)

:coffee: 

For the sake of a thought experiment, when I have used different means of self hypnosis, I have asked different, mythological creatures, tutelary deities, and muses, about lost technologies, or else, anything that can be corroborated materially.

Although I am considered arrogant by many people, or, at least a little pugnacious, there is a learning curve that feels like training my muscles to the point of failure.

I am being mortified, and it is being explained to me on the level of an infant.

Physically, I am more concerned about getting stuck in a tight space than getting up in front of people. I would honestly say I enjoy fighting. I am facing something down, which is bigger in than me, that is not  my ordinary way of thinking.


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Re: Abrahamic Tripping - Mozes story [Re: durian_2008]
    #28524510 - 10/31/23 11:19 AM (2 months, 27 days ago)

Mortified?  Care to elaborate?  Sounds intense.  Is this all internal, or does it manifest as voice phenomena seemingly coming from outside of you...?


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    #28524638 - 10/31/23 01:46 PM (2 months, 27 days ago)

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Is this all internal, or does it manifest as voice phenomena seemingly coming from outside of you...?



Similar to astral projection to a parallel dimension, directly adjacent to consensus reality.

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Mortified?  Care to elaborate?



Like trying to overpower a bull by sheer power of will and not blinking for even a second.
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Re: Abrahamic Tripping - Mozes story [Re: durian_2008]
    #28524693 - 10/31/23 02:47 PM (2 months, 27 days ago)

Wow!:fuckyeah:


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    #28525031 - 10/31/23 11:09 PM (2 months, 26 days ago)

As these Halloween stories typically go, there is a form of catharsis that restores the natural order. I have uncovered some secrets of people close to me but have yet to witness any changes in consensus reality, so far.

I do not offer any improvements upon universal morality. I tell people, they may have to live with the risks they take.


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Re: Abrahamic Tripping - Mozes story [Re: Wrightii]
    #28525118 - 11/01/23 03:59 AM (2 months, 26 days ago)

We're all the same except in the eyes of one of 4000 deities.

Religion is division.


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Re: Abrahamic Tripping - Mozes story [Re: sudly]
    #28525127 - 11/01/23 04:22 AM (2 months, 26 days ago)

But I must ask.. isn't religion an attempt at unity?

Through prayer, meditation, ritual etc?


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Re: Abrahamic Tripping - Mozes story [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #28525155 - 11/01/23 05:06 AM (2 months, 26 days ago)

fundamentally it is unifying,
but the fundamentalists are too tribal about their baby games.

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Re: Abrahamic Tripping - Mozes story [Re: sudly]
    #28525528 - 11/01/23 01:21 PM (2 months, 26 days ago)

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sudly said:
We're all the same except in the eyes of one of 4000 deities.

Religion is division.




Most everyone believes in time, cause, effect, and entropy, but not a first cause or prime mover from a higher order of existence. Exactly one thing ever was the first of all.


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