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Grow Log: Mom’s 1st Cultivation - LC > Rye Jars > Unmodified > EZ Dialed Monotub(s) * 2
    #28506186 - 10/15/23 10:28 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

This is my first attempt at mushroom cult and I’ve set my sights high! Starting with making grain jars, inoculating with an LC syringe, colonizing then spawning to a bulk substrate a monotub and harvesting 1 or more flushesj, with no contam. I am willing to change my intended Tek, but mostly want to rely on the tried and true—trusted cultivator methods.

Obv. I understand that sometimes things may happen that are outside of our control, but those aside, let’s go for gold!

Materials

Pressure Cooker: I used a 6qt Instantpot Duo Gourmet.
-Specs: This specific model hovers between 10-11psi on HIGH and can accommodate a max of 4 pint-sized mason jars per cycle.

Unmodified Monotub: Sterilite rectangular non-gasket tote (with the purple handles) and clear lid.

Jars: Pint Sized, 16oz Wide Mouth Ball Mason Jars

Modified Lids: My Lid Tek can be found here

Phase 1: Grain Preparation and Sterilization

I needed a minimum of 6 colonized pints or an equivalent of 3lbs. By prepping 10 pints, each filled with .5lb/226g of hydrated grain, I figured I could count on at least 6 avoiding contamination.

Working in batches and preparing only the amount of grain needed for 4 pints at a time (since that’s what my PC could hold), I washed my organic rye grain with cold tap water 5-7x until water was clear (treat it like rice and rinse, rinse, rinse).

Drained grain went into a lidded container of cold or room temp RO water (I have an RO water system, but feel could be any filtered water)to 1-2” above. I soaked 12h and changed water anytime it became a weak tea color (for me this was ~5x).

Most grain tek doesn’t mention water changes, but doing will keep many issues at bay. I read an alarming number of complaints that rye smells bad. Depending on your interpretation of bad, this off smell is going to come from the grain beginning to ferment or worst case, it’s rotting/spoiling. These issues can easily be avoided by regular water change and keeping the soaking grains out of direct sunlight and/or excessive heat. Can’t believe I have to say this, but in no way should you use a grain that smells like vomit or garbage! From my understanding, to release endospores enough to be killed in the PC cycle, you’ll need to soak a minimum of 4 hours and should really max out around 12-15h to maintain integrity for boiling—some say to soak for 24h but imho that seems excessive.

After soak, for this run, I boiled the grains for 1 of 2 lengths of time. You’ll see below that I had 3 test groups of grain jars with varying boil time, PC time and/or sanitation level to experiment for my future finalized grain Tek.

All of the following groups had a 12 hour soak and in all cases, the water was brought to boil prior to adding the soaked grain to pot.

Group 1 (2 pints):
*I deemed this round failed on multiple occasions, so it has additional steps that I didn’t continue to include in Tek.

Hard/rolling boil for 10m, then remained in hot water, off heat, for another 15-20m while I scoured the internet trying to figure out why I had so many popped grains. In an attempt to save them, I shocked in ice water (to stop cook) then drained and towel dried, air dried for ~1.5 hours.

Texture was still slightly tacky, so at this point, sanitation practices were minimized once deemed a snack for my chickens in AM. They sat in an open container for another hour in fridge before I said “fuck it” after they barely passed a TP test. Omitting as many popped grains as I could, I loaded 2 jars (with 226g ea), set the PC for 2 hours and went to bed. Oh, final moisture retention estimate: ~81%

Group 2 (4 pints):
Hard boil for 8m, drained and directly poured onto frozen sheet pans. The rapid temp shock would create a massive steam effect while locking in moisture. Once steam dissipated, covered in tea towel and air dried on counter for around 1.5-2h. Passed TP test easily, minimal to no popped grains, high level sanitation throughout. PC time 2h15m. Final moisture retention estimate: 61%

Note: One jar in this group, labeled 2B, had 25% of its grain from group 1’s refrigerated leftovers. I was sure, if any jar was going to contaminate, it’d be this one.

Group 3 (4 pints):
Everything was a mirror or Group 2 procedure with exception of starting grain weight +15% (eliminating need for a 3B jar). PC 2h30m. Final moisture retention estimate: 62%

Surprisingly, all 3 groups managed to avoid contamination…so onto the next step.

Phase 2: Inoculation to Colonization

Day 0: In a SAB, I inoculate all 10 pints with ~1cc ea of (verified clean) LC. Then, I shook them (if you just cringed…hol’up cuz it gets worse)

Day 3: first signs of visible mycelium


Thinking about the possibility that I might exceed my required 6 pints and that all 10 jars could colonize.

The next observation really blew my mind. Group 1 (the sloppy ones) were colonizing the quickest and most aggressively! 2B was a day behind Group 1 with the remainder of Group 2 and all of Group 3 at least 2 days behind. From this, I concluded that for final Rye Tek, I would need to get moisture retention up near Group 1’s 80% while somehow avoiding popping grains. I will outline my finalized rye grain tek in a separate thread or SOP.

With all 10 jars colonizing, I started considering 5lbs of grain to 10lbs of substrate in the monotub! Or maybe a grain to grain transfer and even more tubs!
:ohsodevious:

Day 9: 6 of the 10 jars are at 20-30%, Shake time.

remaining 4 of 10 jars were not ready for shake.

Day 11: Remaining 4 jars get their shake. With 6 jars so far ahead I’m thinking any plans I had to put all 10 pints in the monotub might not work out. That’s ok, I can figure something else out for the 4.

Day 15: I get a wild hair and decide the two jars from Group 1 + maybe a few others are looking too compressed and need to be shaken. So, I shake Group 1 with the intention of slowing them down and give the other 4 intended for the Monotub a chance to catch up. Then the 4 that I’m not sure what I’m going to do with I also shake so I can have more time to figure out what I’m going to do with them. Why am I like this?
:migraine:

Day 17: All 6 jars intended for the 66qt monotub are looking good. I made a post asking if they looked ready and got a trusted cultivator to respond with yes! Here’s the photo I posted:

My jars don’t seem to have the “white out” conditions that  many growers get, but I figure it could be that I shook them multiple times or bc I had only 1cc, or bc my grain jars were on the heavy side with 1/2lb of hydrated rye per jar? Maybe one or all of the above.

The photo I posted was also the most heavily colonized of the 6, so probably wasn’t the best representation of the jars, as a whole. I wait another day before spawning to bulk.

Grow Day 18 and Day 0 in the 66qt Monotub:
Glad I waited as now all 6 look like the jar that I posted the photo of.

Into the 66qt unmodified monotub (with liner) goes 3lbs of grain and 6lbs of substrate. The substrate I am using came recommended to me (not sure if allowed to name drop) and is a combination of the standard CVG with additional goodies like: worm castings, organic coffee and tortoise poop. It comes already pasteurized and at field capacity. Before adding to tub, I checked the FC and it’s slightly over, which is ok bc the variety I am growing is notably thirsty.

My main reason for additional shakes was how often I saw growers struggle to get the grain from the jar and/or uncolonized grain in center. For mine, it was a little bump with my palm on the side and the grain effortlessly poured out. Additionally, each grain was evenly coated.


The smell was absolutely gorgeous—like a fresh forest floor—No unusual odors and not a contaminate in sight. I gently hand mixed the 3lb of colonized grain with ~5lbs of the sub, lightly compressed and then smoothed flat. I made sure not to overcompress, because I thought air flow might be important. Cased with the remaining ~1lb of sub, just enough to cover any exposed grains. Some concern re: depth, it’s only about 2.5-3” but we’ll see how that pans out:

I put the lid on, unlatched but closed and now…we wait.

Why I’m distinguishing between colonizing and fruiting conditions: I went back and forth on whether or not to put the monotub directly into fruiting conditions per  BOD’s TEK by inverting the lid and providing tub with FAE via the air gaps. I ultimately opted to secure the lid (for this first run anyway) during colonization, if for no other reason than to buy myself some time to figure out a better way to do fruiting phase. I’ve got some flying pests in the house bc I keep houseplants and have a robust outdoor garden, but in general, I find myself consulting Bod’s Tek—the chaotic simplicity, set it and forget it, devil-may-care attitude is enviable.

The more I think about it, the more I just don’t love the idea of precariously balancing an unsecured, slip-n-slide lid with unfiltered/unscreened openings that offer direct access to my precious future fruits! There might as well be a neon sign:

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Re: Grow Journal/Log: 1st time cultivator fixin to grow sum hillbillies - lc > rye > mono tub [Re: MushroomMommy] * 1
    #28506682 - 10/16/23 10:19 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

That pic of your fully colonized grain jar looks like mold to me.

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Re: Grow Journal/Log: 1st time cultivator fixin to grow sum mushrooms - lc > rye > mono tub [Re: MushroomMommy]
    #28507048 - 10/16/23 03:37 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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RoscoeReturns said:
That pic of your fully colonized grain jar looks like mold to me.




Oh my. I sure hope not. And if it is mold, it’s white and smells like mushrooms.

I was told by a TC that it looked ready,HERE is a link to the thread for reference.


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Re: Grow Journal/Log: 1st time cultivator fixin to grow sum mushrooms - lc > rye > mono tub [Re: MushroomMommy]
    #28507127 - 10/16/23 04:41 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Grow Day 20

Day 2 of 66qt monotub:
We have got signs of colonization with these cotton bud mycelium / tomentose starting to emerge! Pardon the poor quality of photo, didn’t want to open the tub and mess up colonization humidity.


Speaking of humidity, I hummed and hawed a bit on getting a hygrometer, but ordered one and it’ll be here tomorrow.


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Re: Grow Journal/Log: 1st time cultivator fixin to grow sum hillbillies - lc > rye > mono tub [Re: RoscoeReturns]
    #28508055 - 10/17/23 12:07 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Quote:

RoscoeReturns said:
That pic of your fully colonized grain jar looks like mold to me.




Personally, I think it's fine.  I think you may have a case of tomentose-phobia.


@MushroomMommy - Hygrometers aren't actually useful for mush cult.  It's the conditions right at the surface that we care about, and the hygrometer won't help with that.  Only your eyes will.  Maybe I'm getting ahead of myself, but read this if you haven't already.

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Re: Grow Journal/Log: 1st time cultivator fixin to grow us sum mushrooms - lc > rye > mono tub [Re: MushroomMommy]
    #28508349 - 10/17/23 04:07 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Kinoko314 said:
@MushroomMommy - Hygrometers aren't actually useful for mush cult.  It's the conditions right at the surface that we care about, and the hygrometer won't help with that.  Only your eyes will.  Maybe I'm getting ahead of myself, but read this if you haven't already.



Thank you for chiming in!

I’ve heard that too, that they’re unreliable/unnecessary, but I still kind of want one. Plan to use in tandem or as a loose, second opinion to reinforce what i think I’m observing, moisture wise. MOSTLY to supply myself with more data for future changes, like continuing unmodified, changing bin size, adjust sub depth or ratio etc.

…at least that’s what I’m telling myself.


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Re: Grow Journal/Log: 1st time cultivator fixin to grow sum mushrooms - lc > rye > mono tub [Re: MushroomMommy] * 1
    #28508820 - 10/17/23 10:06 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Grow Day 21

Day 3 of the 66qt Monotub:
The thermometer/hygrometer got here and while I a knowledge most TCs say they’re a waste, it’ll only be used as a dodgy second opinion. MOSTLY, for comparative data that I will use along with intermittent CO2 readings to determine if I should do future bins w/ no mods, add fans, change type or size of tub and see how different amounts of spawn and/or sub affect the grow. So while, I’m sure all the experienced myco wizards are shaking your head in disappointment…:evil: I want it. Haha

While installing the reader/sensor inside the tub, I got a solid picture of the new Rhizomorphic Mycelium growth! I definitely thought, based on the way the way the grain jars colonized and the first look at the growth in tub, I was for sure going to have Tomentose, but here we are.:grin: They look like liddo fireworks or like coral polyps, specifically xenia!!! Which is suuuuper cool. 🤓

Here’s a photo of pulsing xenia if anyone’s curious:

I also noticed that the mycelium seemed to be colonizing much more of the right side, the side closest to the light source—could be coincidence, but just in case, I gave the bin a rotation on the shelf and don’t mind doing this now and again throughout the process, though once fruiting, I’ll probably add an artificial light source in addition to the sunlight


I’m hooking up the Big Boy Monotub with a Girlfriend

Day 0 of the Mini-Monotub/The Girlfriend:
Figured out what to do with the remaining 4 pints that were a couple days behind in colonization.

Putting together a mini monotub, a “monotub-ette”, if you will, aka Big Boy’s Girlfriend. Rather than using the standard Shoebox Tek, I was inspired by a tub that I had purchased to keep my quart sized jars in while they colonize. During colonization, I kept the pints in a clear, 16qt storage bin, but when I upgraded to a larger PC. I found out that the quart jars are too tall to fit in the 16qt. The container I’m using for the mini monotub is around the same height/depth as the ubiquitous 66qt sterilite, but just under half the volume at 28.3qt. Here’s the specs:

I’m running this smaller tub with a little more than half the volume of grain/subs. Made a deeper 5” liner bc it’s around 4.5”, she thiccc. 1:2 ratio with 2lbs of colonized grain and 4lbs of sub, cased the same way with a thin top layer, just enough to cover the grain.

The substrate was lower field capacity from being open, so I brought sub to the same field capacity as we used in the main tub, which is just slightly above standard field capacity.

Here’s the sub in:

The colonized grain from the jars, once again smelled like the cloak of a Chaotic Good Druid and just like the others, exited their jar with the utmost of ease.

Mmmm lovely 🥰

Thought about flipping the lid to “fruiting conditions” but still having figured out keeping bugs out, so leave it closed for now. Note that in the photo of the base unit, that sensor 1 is The Girlfriend/Mini Mono and sensor 2 is Big Boy/Regular Monotub…I probably should’ve put sensor 1 in the main tub and sensor 2 in the smaller…oops. I’ll probably switch those later. The read out on the bottom is the Temp/RH for the room.


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Re: Grow Journal/Log: 1st time cultivator fixin to grow sum mushrooms - lc syringe > rye grain in jars > unmodified mon... [Re: MushroomMommy] * 1
    #28510018 - 10/18/23 10:01 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Grow Day 22

Day 4 of 66qt monotub/Big Boy:
Things seem to be going strong still and that rhizomorphic growth is spreading rapidly. I think rotating the bin was helpful in creating a more uniform blanket.

Not the clearest photo because I didn’t want to open the lid and mess up the humidity, but you can see the progress for sure when compared to yesterday’s photo.

Day 1 of the 28qt mini monotub/The Girlfriend:
Looking in, it’s hard to tell if that’s growth that has zombied through the thin casing layer or grain that might have been exposed when tilting the tub up on the shelf. If it follows suit with Big Boy, we should see real growth tomorrow or the next day.


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Re: Grow Journal/Log: 1st time cultivator fixin to grow sum mushrooms - lc syringe > rye grain in jars > unmodified mon... [Re: MushroomMommy] * 1
    #28511073 - 10/19/23 08:38 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Grow Day 23:

Took the bins out for a little change of scenery. A field trip to the kitchen table for a mid-day strong, indirect light sesh for a couple hours, while I marveled and told them how pretty they are.
:happiness:
I am in awe of their daily progress and how each day they become more beautiful than the one before. Really hoping they make it through to harvest.

Day 5 of 66qt monotub/Big Boy:


Late Night and Post Bong Rip

I started reading Stipe-n-Cap‘s “Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9” and go into full blown PANIC that I’ve completely fucked myself by doing a 1:2 ratio and am now CERTAIN I’m going to get “blobs”!
:thatistroubling:
(tbh I didn’t even look up what they were)

TIME TO (characteristically) MAKE AN IMPULSIVE CHANGE

The BIG BOY 66qt already looked lovely, so not going to mess with him, however…

Day 2 of 28qt mini monotub/The Girlfriend:
This tub only had a few exposed grains, barely starting to get myc fuzz. I debate whether or not to opening a new bag of substrate for deeper casing, then I second guess—should I be messing with things??? I decide to not add more sub and stick to the original 1:2 ratio. For the most part, I still want the only difference between the two tubs to be size of tub…and I guess spawn/sub volume relative to the container size.

However, I DID make ONE change based on the top layer pseudo casing TEK—I gloved up, sprayed my hands with iso70 and 👏Compressed. 👏That.👏Bitch. After that, I did a barely there *spritz* of distilled water to thoughtfully counteract any moisture evap caused by alcohol on my glove and close the lid.

Was this necessary? Was this a mistake?

📣⚡️FIND OUT NEXT TIME ON…

Edited by MushroomMommy (10/24/23 05:34 AM)

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Re: Grow Journal/Log: 1st time cultivator fixin to grow sum mushrooms - lc syringe > rye grain in jars > unmodified mon... [Re: MushroomMommy]
    #28511076 - 10/19/23 08:46 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Really starting to show some signs of life now. Question for ya, did you modify your fruiting chamber to allow FAE or is that just an unmodified tub?


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Re: Grow Journal/Log: 1st time cultivator fixin to grow sum mushrooms - lc syringe > rye grain in jars > unmodified mon... [Re: Fungus Mountain] * 2
    #28511196 - 10/19/23 11:13 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Fungus Mountain said:
Really starting to show some signs of life now. Question for ya, did you modify your fruiting chamber to allow FAE or is that just an unmodified tub?



Thanks so much for swinging by my log. I’ve noticed a lot of logs don’t get attention if they’re not doing something outrageous or an old one from a TC. I am grateful to have you here.

Get ready for
✨🌈 over-sharing time 🌈 ✨
in 3, 2, 1.

I find myself in a near constant state of second guessing. Posting on a public forum, full of experts, has me fuckin spiraling.

I tend to start out projects with a hyper-focus on research until I’ve examined each possible way it could go. More often than not, I impulsively change something(s) part way through. I find it best for me to document the entire process to an extreme level, succeed or fail, then try again while planning to change only 1 variable that will actually be 5-6.

What makes mushroom Tek difficult is that some use weight others volume and some don’t measure anything meanwhile, everyone is trying to mirror one another’s results and scratching their heads why they’re all getting different outcomes. It’s chaotic AF, but also thrilling. Wild West Gardening with nearly instant gratification.

The only standardized materials that everyone seems to agree on are: pint/quart glass mason jars, the sterilite 66qt latched tote or the sterilite 54qt gasket latch tote, and/or the “shoebox” which most commonly seems to be a 6-16qt tote and no one is using a common brand.

Sorry, what was the question? My tubs? Unmodified.


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Re: Grow Journal/Log: 1st time cultivator fixin to grow sum mushrooms - lc syringe > rye grain in jars > unmodified monotub(s) [Re: MushroomMommy] * 1
    #28513341 - 10/21/23 06:13 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Grow Day 24:

Day 6 of 66qt monotub/Big Boy:
Took the lid off to get a couple of clear update photo and visually, he’s looking like he might be ready for fruiting conditions and introduction of FAE.


Some TEK that I’ve come across says colonization time is 10 days, but I don’t see the harm in doing it a little early. Especially given that most modern TEK says you do not need to differentiate between colonization and fruiting conditions and can introduce FAE as soon as you move into the monotub. The main reason I haven’t done it yet is because, as I mentioned before:
Quote:

MushroomMommy said:
The more I think about it, the more I just don’t love the idea of precariously balancing an unsecured, slip-n-slide lid with unfiltered/unscreened openings that offer direct access to my precious fruits! There might as well be a neon sign:
INSECT JAM 2K3
sponsored by CO2

fruit flies and mosquitos get in with no cover



Hygrometer claims 95% humidity with lids closed and 77% with the lid inverted to create small air gaps between the lid and lip of the bin. Remember though, I’m only really using the hygrometer for data and a loose, secondary opinion to superior visual cues.

I then lightly misted the surface per ComebackKid’s Identifying Proper Surface Moisture: When to Increase Fresh Air Exchange but am not getting it as wet as the photos.

Day 3 of 28qt mini monotub/The Girlfriend:
It has been 1 day since the panic smash/compression and things appear to be recovering more quickly than expected, already back to looking on track:


Grow Day 25:

Day 7of 66qt monotub/Big Boy:
Plan to introduce FAE today, but am not going to be doing the lid flip as originally planned (per BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil)).

After doing some more reading, I think I am going to ditch the idea of unmodified monotubs. Instead I will be carrying out a spin on PastyWhyte’s EZ Dialed Monotubs
I’ll be following the TEK exactly when it comes to 1/4” hole locations and numbers, but in my case, will need to filter the holes somehow—I’ve got a flying pest and other airborne contaminate concern in this house because of multiple pets and houseplants (in other rooms). Thinking I’ll just cover the holes with the 20mm Synthetic Filter stickers (.3 micron) I have from my grain jar lid mod.

While not ideal, I’m going to drill the 66qt bin with substrate in place. I will use packing tape to tape a sanitized second liner just above the substrate surface as a “catcher” for the plastic debris. I was going to try and lift the sub via liner out but, then imagined trying to lift a half-baked cake out of a cake pan and oof, it seems like a bad idea.

I plan to mark all holes with a sharpie first, drill a pilot hole in each, then use a 1/4” forstner bit to hopefully avoid cracking the plastic and make a clean hole.

Godspeed...me.


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Re: Grow Journal/Log: 1st time cultivator fixin to grow sum mushrooms - lc syringe > rye grain in jars > unmodified mon... [Re: MushroomMommy] * 1
    #28513349 - 10/21/23 06:23 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

What I did with my shoebox is, rather than lift it out possibly causing a calamity with my sub, I simply made my holes in a tub and placed the tub upside down over the shoebox. That way I was able to dial it in and not harm my sub in the process.
Hope this helps out.


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    #28513356 - 10/21/23 06:39 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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meta_mmxxii said:rather than lift it out possibly causing a calamity with my sub, I simply made my holes in a tub and placed the tub upside down over the shoebox



Wait like a dub tub? Oooo shit, that’d be too tall for my shelf and still would give me issues bc Im trying to avoid balancing things on top of the bin unsecured as I’m a nervous Nelly. 😅

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    #28513368 - 10/21/23 06:45 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Yor welcome, I have been following since you first posted. You have come a long way Mommy, good job!
It doesn't have to be a big tub, just one that will dial things in for you. But sounds like you have a good grasp of things.


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    #28513370 - 10/21/23 06:47 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Yor welcome, I have been following since you first posted. You have come a long way Mommy, good job!
It doesn't have to be a big tub, just one that will dial things in for you. But sounds like you have a good grasp of things.




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    #28513375 - 10/21/23 06:50 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

No I don't I have moved on from SB a while I am doing tubs now, sowwy.


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    #28513391 - 10/21/23 07:09 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Hey, couple things from reading this thread. First off dope attitude and good on you for being hungry for knowledge :awesomenod:

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I DID however glove up, spray my hands with iso70 and 👏Compress. 👏That.👏Bitch. After which, I did a 🧚 barely there 💫 *spritz* of distilled water to, thoughtfully, counteract any moisture evap caused by latent iso from my glove.

Was this necessary? Was this a mistake?




If I'm understanding, you just compressed already-colonizing substrate? Tbh I don't know if this is harmful for the mycelium but I'm guessing it would hurt it enough to slow down the growth but probably not hamper the grow. Next time compress from the onset, that's sorta the point (not shitting on you).

That being said, what you could have done is what's called a casing layer. What you've done is called a "top layer"; a true casing layer is another layer added atop your substrate when it's nearing full colonization. Here's a somewhat old guide on how to do that from a great TC but I'm sure there's casing layers made from just coco+verm if you search. In your case I would have done nothing, let it ride, but if you REALLY wanted to do what you were aiming for a casing layer would have done the trick.

FWIW I've been doing the p9 style 1:5 heavily compressed sub and it's been killer.

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Wait like a dub tub?




If you're doing shoeboxes with a 1:2 ratio you don't even need to dub tub in most cases. The fruit will simply push the lid off as they grow taller and 99% ready to harvest when they're that size, they don't get much bigger at that ratio.

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Instead I will be doing a version of PastyWhyte’s EZ Dialed Monotubs following the TEK for 1/4” hole location, but will need to cover the holes.




Good choice. Bod's unmodded tubs are a harder to get dialed in because you have less knobs to turn, so to speak. With EZ dial you can cover the holes with tape or micropore tape to control airflow and get it dialed into your environment easier I've found.

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r the “shoebox” which most commonly seems to be 16qt storage tote




6 qt not 16 :wink:

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fruit flies and mosquitos get in with no cover charge.




Keep a clean room and you won't have to worry about this. Those things will get in anyways if they want.

Finally I hear you on the hygrometer but it truly won't help you make any meaningful discoveries about improving your flush as any reading above 90% is pretty meaningless. If you want to keep it around as a curiosity sure, but my two cents are that trying to learn/glean information from it may overcomplicate things for you. It truly is as simple as getting correct field capacity with your substrate and making sure the surface beads up when colonized.

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    #28513406 - 10/21/23 07:26 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Jar filters might be a bit too restrictive.  I would suggest using micropore tape, although if you want to get fancy you can buy "tub filters" that are less restrictive.  You could also probably make something yourself if you were so inclined.

I would suggest trying a grow with standard size holes with micropore on them and see how it goes.  If you find out it needed more fae, you can increase the size of the holes and cover it again.

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    #28513422 - 10/21/23 07:39 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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You've never had to stuff loose polyfil into your tub holes and it shows.

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    #28513589 - 10/22/23 12:08 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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No I don't I have moved on from SB a while I am doing tubs now, sowwy.




Ahh no worries at all! I just checked out some of your threads and looks like you just got started a few months ago! Wonderful to see your progress ❤️


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    #28513608 - 10/22/23 01:06 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Benson said:dope attitude and good on you for being hungry for knowledge :awesomenod:



Thank you for your kindness! I’m having a blast so far with this hobby and look forward to learning more as I go!

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If I'm understanding, you just compressed already-colonizing substrate? Tbh I don't know if this is harmful for the mycelium but I'm guessing it would hurt it enough to slow down the growth but probably not hamper the grow. Next time compress from the onset, that's sorta the point (not shitting on you).



Yeahhhh so I didn’t compress the 66qt bc of how far into colonization it was HOWEVER the 28qt was only like a day and a half into colonization and had no rhizomorphic growth yet, just a few fuzz spots where I had some grains poking through and luckily it bounced back almost immediately. The next day (yesterday) it was back on track and as of today is looking great. Banking on beginners luck but, THANKFULLY, my uhh “panic smash” does not seem to have negatively affected anything. *whew* Here is a current photo of it and for ref. This is 2 days post-compress.

I did not drill the holes in this tub, mostly because the 66qt took me a while and I got tired. But I’m actually not sure I’m going to. Might just flip the lid or prop lid using handles, let go of my bug paranoia

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what you could have done is what's called a casing layer. What you've done is called a "top layer"; a true casing layer is another layer added atop your substrate when it's nearing full colonization.



Yooo I had no idea there was a difference! I had read about adding a casing layer when moving to bulk and also about some that do it after colonization. Tbh I was a bit unclear on the difference or if there was benefit to doing one over the other. It seemed odd to me to dump a bunch of sub on top of a colonized surface and force the mycelium to then colonize the case, seemed like a set back and a bummer to cover such pretty growth :3 but I will definitely read more and probably do a thicker case on future tubs. The “soil” I’m using is pretty expensive so using something like a 1:6 sounds way out of my price range. I wonder if I were to case with just CV only and use the soil for mixing directly with the grain…idk something to think about.

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If you're doing shoeboxes with a 1:2 ratio you don't even need to dub tub in most cases. The fruit will simply push the lid off as they grow taller and 99% ready to harvest when they're that size, they don't get much bigger at that ratio.


so im not doing shoeboxes but I am doing 1:2 for these tubs. From what I hear this variety is a heavy first flush and not worth doing subsequent if you’re low on space—which I am. With my space, I can do a max of 4 66qt monotubs so doing additional flushes for a low harvest is not worth it for me right now, I’d rather move on to using the tub for a new one.

A mentor/friend of mine does her tubs with 3qts grain to ~6qts of soil. However she is using 54qt monos. So I think in future I’m just going to do 5qts to 10# for these 66ers. Or maybe widen the ratio and try the 1:6 if I start moving away from the prepared soil

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6 qt not 16



Oh wth those are TINY

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fruit flies and mosquitos get in with no cover charge.



The room is clean, but I’ve got pets, houseplants…and while I’m generally keeping the door to this room closed, fam needs stuff from the room from time to time so it’s sort inevitable that buggies might sneak in. I’ve got 2 Zevo bug plug traps in the room and we’re getting into Fall so mosquitos should be fugging off back to hell soon.

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I hear you on the hygrometer but it truly won't help you make any meaningful discoveries about improving your flush as any reading above 90% is pretty meaningless.




Damn son y’all shroomery peeps really hate them huh 😝. I feel you though. They were inexpensive and give me a small amount of peace of mind; once I get more comfy, I’ll probably just take them out.

Overall, thank you SO much for your insight, I feel very grateful for your kindness and experience. Much appreciated homie ❤️


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    #28513632 - 10/22/23 02:25 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Jar filters might be a bit too restrictive.  I would suggest using micropore tape, although if you want to get fancy you can buy "tub filters" that are less restrictive.  You could also probably make something yourself if you were so inclined.
I would suggest trying a grow with standard size holes with micropore on them and see how it goes.  If you find out it needed more fae, you can increase the size of the holes and cover it again.



Sooooooooo…you’ll see it again in an update I’ll be posting shortly, but I did end up putting the 20mm, .3 micron filters instead of micropore tape. Correct me if I’m wrong, but from what I could find online, the stickers (at least the ones I have) are actually more breathable than micropore tape. However, I still see where your heads at, “what if the stickers block too much FAE?”

I was thinking, if the stickers fail to give enough FAE……I had another “Lightbulb Moment (TM)” and thought of something I could potentially use.

Now, unless you’re a parent, you might not even think of or know what these are but, do you know what a Nose Frida is? :rofl: Hahahah this thing:

Omg, I’m imagining everyone who hasn’t had or been around a baby regularly’s face rn and cackling.
:kittylaugh:

I mean, it is exactly what it looks like. It’s essentially a manual nasal aspirator—a tube you shove up your baby’s nose and SUCK out their snot; your mouth is only protected by this small “filter”.
:awshitherewego:
Anyway, this filter piece just happens to be slightly over a 1/4” and I think it might work, they sell packs of them like this:

I think it’d let enough air in but keep larger particulates and unwelcome flying idiots out.

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    #28514642 - 10/22/23 08:00 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Grow Day 25 (continued)

Day 7 of 66qt Monotub/Big Boy:
Sorry that I didn’t update after finishing drilling the holes; it was late. Rather than edit that post, I’m making a separate one as I’ve had some comments since then.

To recap, I decided to ditch the original plan of running UNMODIFIED and instead am modifying the 66qt Big Boy in the style of PastyWhyte’s EZ Dial monotubs Tek. I followed this Tek exactly for number, size and location of holes but added 1 diffference which is covering the holes to prevent shit from flying into the tub.

PastyWhyte recommends 6 holes on the short sides of the bin and 3 on the long sides (note that PastyWhyte’s TEK lists some of these holes as optional, but since I’m covering the holes, I thought it best to make all of them).

Annnnd because I’m a perfectionist, I have created an easier to follow template for myself to be used for marking the hole placements.

SHORT SIDE:
As stated above, PastyWhyte’s Tek has a total of 6 holes on the short side; 5 under the handle and 1 centered near the bottom.

For the 5 under the handle, you’ll start out by creating a grid of 6 dots. The space directly under the handle horizontally is 4.75”, but if you’re using a standard ruler, you should measure slightly over this and do 5” (centered).

With 5” measured out under the handle, hold your ruler up to the protruding plastic and you’ll make a dot on row 1 at 1”, 2.5” and 4” (note that all of row 1 is a guide for row 2 and 3 and not where you will actually drill). Pasty says your first (drilled row) which in this case is my row 2, should be 1.5” below the purple handle luckily the space from where the top of my ruler to the purple handle is 1/2”, nice.

then vertically make your 3 dots below row 1, 1” below.

Lastly, on row 3, you’ll center 2 midway dots between the 3. Like this:


Before you drill, you’ll need to “erase” row 1/the top as they were just there as a guide. Leave row 2, and remove the original 3 you had in row 3/bottom row. To erase, just use iso91 on a swab. Afterward it’ll look like this:


I don’t have photos but on the bottom of short side you’ll make another dot centered with the middle column 5” from the bottom. On each long side make 3 holes, evenly spaced 5” from the bottom. Make a pilot hole in each of the dots, to help hold the forstner bit in place, then use a 1/4” forsnter bit or a spade bit for a perfect hole with no shredded plastic. They’ll look like this (ooOOoooh such nice smooth holes). Disregard the stuff in the box, it’s serving as some temp storage for a few supplies


Then I covered the holes with 20mm, .3 micron synthetic filter paper stickers to prevent buggies from getting in while also allowing FAE (fresh air exchange)


If the stickers end up blocking too much airflow I have a backup plan to try plugging the holes with Nose Frida filters lol…we’ll see!

Day 4 of 28qt Mini Monotub/The Girlfriend:
Did not add holes to the mini mono, mostly bc I got tired but may do so later. It’s seemingly recovering nicely from my panic compression 2 days ago (thankfully) don’t mind the shadow it’s not dark on the left side it’s just from the lighting


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    #28514762 - 10/22/23 09:36 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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    #28514833 - 10/22/23 11:13 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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I love the innovation with the snot sucker filters lol.




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Re: Grow Log: Mom’s 1st Cultivation - LC > Rye Jars > Unmodified > EZ Dialed Monotub(s) [Re: MushroomMommy]
    #28515685 - 10/23/23 06:48 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Grow Day 27

Day 9 of 66qt Monotub/Big Boy:
To recap, on Day 7 I introduced “fruiting conditions”.  I did this by modifying my tub, following PastyWhyte’s Ez Dial Method. Drilled a total of (18) 1/4” holes, but currently have them each covered with a breathable filter sticker (.3 micron) filter.

Photos from the afternoon:




May be hard to tell from the photos, but I’m noticing a change in the growth pattern of the mycelium. The rhizomorphic “arms/tendrils/polyps” seem to have flattened onto the surface. They’re still growing but look to be doing so almost horizontally now. Are they sad or is this normal?

ComebackKid’s write up on Proper Surface Moisture states there should ALWAYS be water beads on the surface. I admit, I’ve been being on the conservative side when misting but even when actively misting, it never looks like the photos from that write up. Maybe bc I’m using a finer mister? Mine just don’t ball up all dewy and big like that. When I mist, it’ll either look like an ultra fine misty fog on the surface or turn into a bog (which is obviously too much water), there’s no inbetween.

Not trying to be difficult or act like I know better, but I can’t help but feel like I’m over-misting because of trying to achieve the guide’s “perfect little water beads”. In my situation anyway, it’s causing my surface to look less like a dewy meadow and more like a river network map. I’ll save you the trouble of googling it, they look like this.


Should I not be trusting that I put the sub in at proper field capacity or is the sub being dried out from [too much] FAE

I’m back to add another update: at the recommendation of Meta_MMXXII.He said the above photos from earlier still looked dry so I grabbed my trusty fine mist bottle and swept some mist. After a few mins I came back to check the tub and it suddenly looked more like marshy wildlife reserve so I’m tilting the bin around to try and get the excess water to flow into any nooks and crannies. Felt like I was playing w/ one of those tilting board games where you try to get the marble through a maze lol:

Some of the water was absorbed, but with still visible pools and puddles, I gloved up and sanitize a paper towel by lightly spraying it with iso70 and start to blot the excess water. But THEN….I stop and freak TF out because I realize, I probably should not be putting alcohol directly on the mycelium via the paper towel or even touching it at all.
:fffuck:
So I’m fanning with the lid in an attempt to evaporate any alcohol. With the alcohol hopefully evaporated, it STILL doesn’t look like the pics from ComebackKid but will have to do.


Hopefully now, or sometime soon, I can get back to the Forget It part of “Set It and Forget It” bc all this misting and fanning is…:mad2:

Day 6 of 28qt Mini Monotub/The Girlfriend:
Recap: A few days ago, I “panic smashed” the surface of this tub after reading a write-up on top layer/pseudo casing and while the mycelium bounced back a day later, I also gave it a water spritz yesterday and just like with Big Boy, the mycelium “arms/tendrils” that were previously standing up, have flattened and are laying down, spreading along surface rather than vertically.

Since this bin does not have FAE holes, I’m thinking I can maybe rule out the flattening being linked to FAE and now think it’s being caused either from the misting or this is just the normal progression of the mycelium growth—can someone please weigh in??

By the way, I still haven’t decided if I’m going to add the EZ Dialed holes to this smaller tub or continue to run it unmodified but then I guess I’d have to flip the lid and risk the flying pests entering. Uhg

Here’s some photos from earlier this afternoon.



Here’s a photo later after misting. While I am still misting, I think I should mention that I’m definitely doing it less than I am in the other one and I’m justifying that bc the sub for this one is deeper lol don’t hate me for not doing enough. I turned on the camera flash so you can see my tiny version of the water beads that I’m supposed to have haha



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    #28515980 - 10/23/23 09:53 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Your tubs look a little dry to me, may be the pic, but looks like it may be too much FAE. What you want is tiny beads of water on your sub surface. If your FAE is dialed in, you should have beads pretty much all the time if your sub has proper FC. You don't need to be concerned with the walls of the tub, the surface is what you need to keep an eye on. The mycelium inside the sub creates heat, and that heat will make little beads of water on your sub surface, and if those beads are not present, it means you have too much FAE and it is drying your surface. If you get long skinny stipes and fuzzy feet usually is a sign of not enough FAE. I don't think your rhizoidal mycelium laying down means much of anything. I could be wrong.
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    #28516096 - 10/24/23 01:34 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

@meta_mmxxii Is this misting info based on ComebackKids Surface Conditions When to Increase FAE?

I’ve been trying to follow that TEK as closely as possible at least since coming into full colonization, but are we all certain that everything in that write up is still accurate? It looks like it hasn’t been updated since 2017 and is also using PastyWhyte’s old tubs, prior to the updated EZ Dialed.

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    #28516364 - 10/24/23 09:36 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

"Is this misting information based on ComebackKids Surface Conditions When to Increase FAE?"
Yes, goes to show tried and true convention lasts the test of time.


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Re: Grow Log: Mom’s 1st Cultivation - LC > Rye Jars > Unmodified > EZ Dialed Monotub(s) [Re: meta_mmxxii]
    #28516447 - 10/24/23 10:59 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

@meta_mmxxii Okay, cool. Just checking, as most Tek that old has become obsolete, but I do still see it referenced often.

Do you think I should close some of the holes by either blocking some with tape or maybe thicken the filter by adding a second filter sticker on interior?

I would think closing some holes and having tub run as a partially closed eco-system would be superior to regularly opening the lid to mist and/or fan as that’s higher risk of contam…right? Or nah, bc CO2?
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Re: Grow Log: Mom’s 1st Cultivation - LC > Rye Jars > Unmodified > EZ Dialed Monotub(s) [Re: MushroomMommy]
    #28516471 - 10/24/23 11:20 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

You can either close off or restrict (with filter) some holes if you're still drying out too fast.  It's best to make small changes and watch it for a day or two before changing more.

All of the nutrition is covered by myc at this point, so opening the lid isn't going to hurt.  Your goal should still be to not have to mist or do anything until after your first flush.

ComebackKid's surface conditions thread and Pasty's EZ-Dials would be considered current.

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Re: Grow Journal/Log: 1st time cultivator fixin to grow sum mushrooms - lc syringe > rye grain in jars > unmodified mon... [Re: Kinoko314]
    #28516602 - 10/24/23 01:44 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Thank you so much for the info Kinoko!

It’s been about 12 hours since last misting and the beads are barely there anymore and also not much wall condensation. Reminder that all FAE holes have the .3u filters over them. So, if it’s still evaporating, guess we don’t have to worry about the stickers blocking too much exchange, right?

I think so we can narrow down what’s going on, I’m going to block some holes with tape and see if the tub holds onto more moisture.

Pretty frustrating that it’s seemingly losing moisture, you think I should’ve stuck with unmodified? The soil/sub was just over FC when I put the tubs together, at about 6-8 drops from a hard squeeze and as I understand it, normal field capacity is around 3-5 drops.

I also think the cause might be too little grain and sub for this large of tub, the depth is only 2.5”

I checked the mini monotub (28qt) and it still had beads and lots of wall condensation, I gave a tiny spritz for good measure. Reminder that the smaller tub is not modded for FAE and has more sub depth. For ref:
Big Boy 66qt: 3lbs spawn to 6lbs sub (depth 2.5”)
The Girlfriend 28qt: 2lbs spawn to 4lbs sub (depth 4.5”)

For my next 66qt, I already planned to increase to 5lbs grain and 10lbs substrate. Or maybe just more sub…but hoping that keeps things more dialed in and won’t have to cover the holes at all


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Re: Grow Journal/Log: 1st time cultivator fixin to grow sum mushrooms - lc syringe > rye grain in jars > unmodified mon... [Re: MushroomMommy]
    #28516623 - 10/24/23 02:04 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Hey, fellow mother😊 I really enjoyed reading through your journal so far. You look to be doing a fantastic job. I sometimes find it tedious to journal/document things and lean towards impulsive project starter—>less great finisher. you’re an inspiration with all your details and solid research from the start.

Looking forward to following your progress❤️

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Re: Grow Journal/Log: 1st time cultivator fixin to grow sum mushrooms - lc syringe > rye grain in jars > unmodified mon... [Re: MushroomMommy]
    #28516646 - 10/24/23 02:21 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Yeah, more sub would probably be better.

Are you keeping the lid latched on while also using those stickers?  Those are already very restrictive.  If it's like that all the time I'm not sure how it would still be drying out. 

Evaporation is a major pinning trigger, so if you restrict too much and you can't get any evaporation off the surface, that can also be a problem.  It's been hard to see in the pics how many water droplets are there, so this is all you.

If you want to try unmodified, just tape up the holes, but flip the lid.  Having the air further away from the surface may help reduce moisture loss.

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Re: Grow Journal/Log: 1st time cultivator fixin to grow sum mushrooms - lc syringe > rye grain in jars > unmodified mon... [Re: Kinoko314]
    #28516690 - 10/24/23 03:05 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

@kinoko lid is latched, but I also just noticed it’s bowed slightly on one edge—a quick hit with the blow dryer and a bend and it’s back to normal. I guess I shouldn’t stack things on top of it :rolleyes:


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Re: Grow Journal/Log: 1st time cultivator fixin to grow sum mushrooms - lc syringe > rye grain in jars > unmodified mon... [Re: NatureGrl]
    #28516698 - 10/24/23 03:12 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

@NatureGrl Hi Mama, glad to see another mom here. Thank you for your encouragement! I’m impulsive as hell, but can hyperfocus (rarely on anything important though).

Neurodivergent superpowers.
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Re: Grow Log: Mom’s 1st Cultivation - LC > Rye Jars > Unmodified > EZ Dialed Monotub(s) [Re: MushroomMommy]
    #28517249 - 10/25/23 12:04 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Grow Day 28

Day 10 of 66qt Monotub/Big Boy:
Checked conditions around 12h from yesterday’s misting and beads are gone again even with most of the holes closed. Whyyyyy

General expert consensus is for me to continue to follow
ComebackKid’s Proper Surface Moisture but I want to reiterate that in my case, it seems like misting is giving more “wet sheep’s wool”:

than “morning dew”:


Here’s a closer photo of the surface post-mist as I’m being told users can’t see the beads in my photos—took monotub to the front yard, squatting like a weirdo to get this photo:

So what does it mean that when misting I’m getting this wet sheep’s wool instead of round dew drops? To clarify what you’re seeing, the dark gray areas are parts of the surface mycelium that have a wispy, hair-like texture and are “wet-sheeping” it up, because they’re soaked in mist.

Also, when tilting tub slightly, I can see what looks like excess water collected underneath the substrate come to the edge, between the sub and liner. So if water’s there, why isn’t it absorbing? I no mushroom expert, but I do know gardening and wonder if sub has become too compacted to take in moisture? This is an issue that sometimes happens with potted plants—compaction after drying out too much and anaerobic b-words (bacteria not bitches) close it up and you can water all you want but it just drains out
:whatchatallkingabout:

I also thought I remembered reading something about manure based substrates not water beading the same way as standard cvg. But figures that now I can’t find the source. My sub mix does contain tortoise manure.

Bottom line, I do not think it should not be drying out like this and I believe the fault can be narrowed to one or more of the following:
    -too shallow depth of sub for the size of tub, only 2.5”
    -not enough sub for the amount of grain
    -too much air/too many holes from EZ Dialed mod
    -lower ambient room temp (been getting as low as 68F whereas last week it was hovering closer to 74F).

In an attempt to narrow the culprit, I’ll move forward on test 1, by closing some of the FAE holes I drilled. As of late this afternoon, I have put scotch tape over all holes except the top row under the handles and fixed the lid that I noticed was curved up on 2 corners possibly letting in too much air.

Update: It has now been 6 hours since taping the holes and after staring into top of lid for 10m straight like a friggen psychopath, I saw the wet sheep’s wool stuff creating the famed full-size dew drops, before my very eyes—I’m talkin misty small droplets MERGING with the soggy wool to create the MF dew drops!!!
:trippy:

Day 7 of 28qt Mini Monotub/The Girlfriend:
Lightly misted yesterday and this afternoon…overall looking relatively good, but I do wonder if opening the lid to mist all the time is causing more harm than good with too much FAE. Think I’m going to back off misting and leave this one alone for a couple days. I think it’s acting more self sufficient/dialed than the other bin bc it has more volume of grain and sun relative to size of container and no drill holes and that’s making it more dialed.

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Re: Grow Log: Mom’s 1st Cultivation - LC > Rye Jars > Unmodified > EZ Dialed Monotub(s) [Re: MushroomMommy]
    #28517328 - 10/25/23 02:53 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

I love your posts, super entertaining.

I'm excited to see you get some pins and fruit.

You are well on your way.

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Re: Grow Log: Mom’s 1st Cultivation - LC > Rye Jars > Unmodified > EZ Dialed Monotub(s) [Re: MushroomMommy]
    #28517677 - 10/25/23 12:06 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

What kind of spray bottle are you using? I use a flairosol branded one it makes the fine dew drops across the surface.


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Re: Grow Log: Mom’s 1st Cultivation - LC > Rye Jars > Unmodified > EZ Dialed Monotub(s) [Re: zimmey]
    #28517683 - 10/25/23 12:10 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

If you are having issues still with your sub drying out, maybe if you keep the walls of your tub moist as well. When you mist the surface, mist your tub walls to provide a little more moisture in there. What you are describing doesn't make much sense to me, but I consider myself at the learning stage still.


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Re: Grow Log: Mom’s 1st Cultivation - LC > Rye Jars > Unmodified > EZ Dialed Monotub(s) [Re: zimmey]
    #28517969 - 10/25/23 05:18 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

@Zimmey awwww thanks so much, you’ve made my day! I have been hoping it comes across as fun and entertaining to follow not TL;DR obnoxious :grin:

@hellofresh, I just bought some generic ones. The one I had before that I can’t find is a flairosol. These knock-off ones also have a .22mm nozzle, same as the flairosol—I know some of the other generics have a .33mm nozzle that’s not quite as fine and far as I can tell, these are pretty much the same as my old one.


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meta_mmxxii said:
mist your tub walls to provide a little more moisture in there



Ok I’ll do that too next time I open it. Now that I’ve taped most of the FAE holes and secured the lid better, I’m going to try leaving closed a total of 24h and see if some combo of too many holes, the lid lifting in corners and opening and closing too often caused the prob.

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What you are describing doesn't make much sense to me


Can you clarify which part in particular didn’t make sense—as in, I wasn’t making sense or that the problem didn’t make sense, given the conditions…or both


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Re: Grow Log: Mom’s 1st Cultivation - LC > Rye Jars > Unmodified > EZ Dialed Monotub(s) [Re: meta_mmxxii]
    #28517982 - 10/25/23 05:31 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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mist your tub walls to provide a little more moisture in there




Ok I’ll do that too next time I open it. Now that I’ve taped most of the FAE holes and secured the lid better, I’m going to try leaving closed a total of 24h and see if some combo of too many holes, the lid lifting in corners and opening and closing too often caused the prob.

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What you are describing doesn't make much sense to me



Can you clarify which part in particular didn’t make sense—as in, I wasn’t making sense or that the problem didn’t make sense, given the conditions…or both


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Re: Grow Log: Mom’s 1st Cultivation - LC > Rye Jars > Unmodified > EZ Dialed Monotub(s) [Re: MushroomMommy] * 2
    #28518485 - 10/26/23 04:02 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Grow Day 29

Day 11 in the 66qt Monotub/Big Boy:
I’ve had to Dial BACK on PastyWhyte’s Dialed In Monotub design by temporarily restricting ~80% of the TEKs FAE; bringing total number of holes down from 18 to 6 (still with the paper sticker over them). The remaining 12 holes have been temporarily taped closed.

I was swiftly rewarded for this alteration; allowed to bear real-time witness to the majesty of nature’s response because the beads I’ve been trying to achieve (the bigger ones) formed shortly after this restriction before my eyes! JFC my dudes, Sir David Attenborough narrating the very moment couldn’t have made it better—actually it could’ve but… THE DROPLETS!!!!
:fuck::sagan:

Please note that by closing some of the holes, I do not feel that this means the EZ Dialed TEK is wrong, rather that several, unique variables to MY specific set up/environment led to a need for these temporary adjustments. I still plan to un-tape them once we start seeing some growth.

Late this evening, I’m peering through the fogged lid of my monotub, nodding in confirmation to myself as I scan the dewy surface and “Whaaaaaat?! Wtf is dis liddo bb?!”

Let the kingdom rejoice, for on this very eve, a son has been born!

HEY EVERYONE, LOOK AT MY MICRO PEEN!
I’m a MUSHROOM MOMMY! :heart:


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Make it drop,


Day 8 in the 28qt Mini Monotub/The Girlfriend: Things are continuing to progress with the laissez-faire approach. Leaving it alone seems the best decision rn because no mods with stopping the fan/mist is BLESS! Just look at that landscape’s moisture…

Now get a bucket and a mop, that's some wet a$$ :cat:


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Re: Grow Log: Mom’s 1st Cultivation - LC > Rye Jars > Unmodified > EZ Dialed Monotub(s) [Re: MushroomMommy]
    #28518510 - 10/26/23 05:04 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

:congrats:  :congrats:  :congrats:

I'm glad that it's working out for you.  Your myc was starting to get matted down, probably from repeated drying/misting cycles.  I don't know if the manure was affecting it.  I've never used it.  I still find it strange that it was drying out so much, but hopefully a thicker sub next time will take care of that.

At this point I would continue to avoid misting.  If it still really seems dry before your first flush is done you can bottom water.  I would only do it if you're really sure it needs it though.  Stick a finger in your sub if you have to to make sure it actually feels dry before you add more water.

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Re: Grow Log: Mom’s 1st Cultivation - LC > Rye Jars > Unmodified > EZ Dialed Monotub(s) [Re: Kinoko314]
    #28518617 - 10/26/23 08:00 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Exciting!

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Re: Grow Log: Mom’s 1st Cultivation - LC > Rye Jars > Unmodified > EZ Dialed Monotub(s) [Re: NatureGrl]
    #28518683 - 10/26/23 09:02 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

"Can you clarify which part in particular didn’t make sense—as in, I wasn’t making sense or that the problem didn’t make sense, given the conditions…or both"
Lol, you made plenty of sense, I was referring to your problem, but Kinoko gave you some solid advice, I would def go with what he said.


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Re: Grow Log: Mom’s 1st Cultivation - LC > Rye Jars > Unmodified > EZ Dialed Monotub(s) [Re: meta_mmxxii]
    #28518735 - 10/26/23 10:05 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

@Kinoko: Oh okay, so you’re speculating that from a cycle of dry>wet>dry>wet; it compacted/matted.

So, in ideal conditions, should the surface growth be standing straight up (vertical) or should it be growing across the surface and “vining”, horizontally?

Whoa whoa whoa, hol’up you’re saying stop misting altogether?

And @meta_mmxxii: you’re agreeing or at least deferring to Kinoko, to stop misting?

:ohnowaitokay:

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Re: Grow Log: Mom’s 1st Cultivation - LC > Rye Jars > Unmodified > EZ Dialed Monotub(s) [Re: MushroomMommy]
    #28518825 - 10/26/23 11:39 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

I would trust anything Kinoko suggests at face value. He is very knowledgeable of the craft, and if he is not sure he ALWAYS defers to people that can confirm or deny.
Don't let his post count fool you, he knows of what he speaks. :thumbup:


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    #28519013 - 10/26/23 02:41 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

@meta_mmxxii appreciate the insight bud

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Re: Grow Log: Mom’s 1st Cultivation - LC > Rye Jars > Unmodified > EZ Dialed Monotub(s) [Re: MushroomMommy] * 1
    #28519141 - 10/26/23 04:37 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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I would trust anything Kinoko suggests at face value. He is very knowledgeable of the craft, and if he is not sure he ALWAYS defers to people that can confirm or deny.
Don't let his post count fool you, he knows of what he speaks. :thumbup:




I think I'm blushing. :blush:


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@Kinoko: Oh okay, so you’re speculating that from a cycle of dry>wet>dry>wet; it compacted/matted.

So, in ideal conditions, should the surface growth be standing straight up (vertical) or should it be growing across the surface and “vining”, horizontally?

Whoa whoa whoa, hol’up you’re saying stop misting altogether?





Yes, matting is common when there are repeated wet/dry cycles, and it can make it hard to get pinning.  I thought I read that you stopped misting already, but I may be losing my mind.  I still think it would be best to avoid misting so that you don't make the surface worse.  If the surface is really looking bone dry you can mist a little bit but I would go very easy on it.  As your mushrooms get bigger, misting can sometimes lead to bacterial blotch on your caps, so that's another consideration.

I'm wondering if the sub is getting dry all the way through, or if it's mainly just at the surface.  If there's still water down below, and you have pins growing, you probably won't have a problem finishing the flush.  If it is dry all the way through, bottom watering will supply more water without disturbing the surface.  You just pour some water down the side and let it soak into the bottom.  If it doesn't soak it all up in maybe half a day (give or take) then dump out the rest.  Your tub might be too big to dump water out though, so I guess just take it slow if you choose to bottom water.

Surface growth can show up differently.  Sometimes it's more fuzzy/tomentose, sometimes it's more spikey/rhizo.  Either way it should maintain it's form/structure without matting down or getting waterlogged.  The ultimate goal is to not have to mist at all until after the first flush.

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Re: Grow Log: Mom’s 1st Cultivation - LC > Rye Jars > Unmodified > EZ Dialed Monotub(s) [Re: Kinoko314]
    #28519405 - 10/26/23 08:24 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Mommy, you are going to have a metric butt load of shrooms pretty soon, hope you are prepared, lol
You will probably need 3 DH going to keep up.
Nicely done, you are a very good student.
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Re: Grow Log: Mom’s 1st Cultivation - LC > Rye Jars > Unmodified > EZ Dialed Monotub(s) [Re: meta_mmxxii] * 1
    #28523604 - 10/30/23 04:11 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Grow Day 30

Day 12 in the 66qt Monotub/Big Boy:
Today is the second day having 80% of the FAE holes taped, with moisture returning to the surface and misting completely haulted, by late night I removed the tape from all the holes (but leave the filter stickers in place for now).

I probably will get a lot of flack for these next few paragraphs, but I have concluded that I should not have taken the information in Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE so literally. For me, attempting to add moisture to the point of "surface beads" caused a great deal more problems than it corrected. Again, this is specific to my situation and I am not necessarily saying that others should disregard the info in that write up. I will also admit, it is fully possible that some other variable in my grow, whether ambient temp, depth of substrate/grain relative to the size of tub, type of grain, type of sub, how long I waited to introduce FAE or some other reason ONLY specific to MY grow was the true fault.

Regardless, attempting to (though I never really did) achieve beads the same size as the photo references in that write-up, were just not doable and led to over-misting and what ended up becoming the early stages of, *whispers* overlay. From a repeated wet>dry cycle of adding mist, to it being so much mist that it pooled,  then trying to remove/dry the water, the mycelium on the surface of top layer became so matted down that it was turning into a shell; resembling snow that had melted and refroze into ice or royal icing on decorated sugar cookies. It was beginning to act as a barrier and blocking any of the misted water from beading on the surface, instead it would ski around on the crusted over top layer--never actually absorbing.

After this dreaded diagnosis, I thought about "forking" the surface, but thankfully considered the further negative complications that could bring about. Instead, I did what I should have done all along, leave the bin TF alone. I planned to slowly re-introduce FAE over the next 24 hours and continue to not mist, regardless of how the surface appeared.


It is probably best to remember that no single Tek/How-to is going to be 100% accurate for everyone's journey, because most of us are NOT working in sterile labs where we can control/replicate exact conditions that another cultivator has.

Day 9 in the 28qt Mini Monotub/The Girlfriend: This tub though slightly flattening was not in early-stage overlay as badly as the other. I attribute this mostly to sub depth and less FAE. While I did over-mist this tub a little bit, it was not as much as the other. I have officially stopped misting this tub as of last night, again regardless of surface appearance. By late evening, the surface is recovering from the flatness and starting to stand back up. Given this, I have now unlatched and flipped the lid on this tub which brought the overall (but probably not totally accurate) RH down from 95% to around 80%.




Grow Day 31

Day 13 in the 66qt Monotub/Big Boy:
Noticed the single mushroom was getting fatter, if he doesn't abort, I'll probably try to clone later. I can now see a few other mushrooms emerging so I removed the stickers from the two short sides and leaving the 3 on each long side. Fully exposing a total of 12 of 18 holes.



If you're wondering about the little brown patch, I had poked around to feel sub moisture yesterday or day before and disrupted some of the surface. Hoping it recovers without an issue, but left some of the filter stickers on a little longer to aid in recovery don’t want to open a hole directly aimed at it.

Day 10 in the 28qt Mini Monotub/The Girlfriend:
Nothing to report, surface doesn't have the beads anymore, but again I'm okay with this. Continuing to recover from the flatness.

Grow Day 32

Day 14 in the 66qt Monotub/Big Boy:
Removed all stickers from the tub and now have all 18 holes exposed. No photo but, the little mushrooms from the previous day are coming up as are many additional patches of growth.

Day 11 in the 28qt Mini Monotub/The Girlfriend:
Moved the lid slightly to let in a little more air. No mushrooms yet.

Grow Day 33

Day 15 in the 66qt Monotub/Big Boy:
Many more clusters forming and creating an even layer of similar sized growth--with the exception of that single chonker chode that came up a couple days before all of these. I think I might be en route to having a solid canopy if all of these continue growing at such a similar rate.



Day 12 in the 28qt Mini Monotub/The Girlfriend:
forgot to get a photo, but still no mushrooms appearing, however raised white dots/primordial growth is beginning so we should see some mushroom babies tomorrow, I would guess.

Grow Day 34

Day 16 in the 66qt Monotub/Big Boy:
Things are progressing nicely, we are continuing to see more mushrooms pop up but in general things are staying nicely consistent. I have had to rotate the tub a couple of times to even out the ambient light entering the bin and we've got a particularly sunny day today, so I imagine we'll see some results from the stronger light tomorrow.


Day 13 in the 28qt Mini Monotub/The Girlfriend:
As predicted, that primordial growth is starting to take off we've got the first signs of actual mushroom formation. I will say that I am surprised to see that timeline wise, this monotub is mostly on a track to the Big Boy, despite my "panic compress" on day 2 of this tub. I will note that I can see some very slight discoloration of mycelium and hope that won't prove to be an issue later on.


Grow Day 35

Day 17 in the 66qt Monotub/Big Boy:
Welp, the randomly warmer weather and an ambient room temp around 73, pushed this tub to really put out some aggressive growth! That chonker boi is looking less like a squatty Hershey’s Kiss and lengthening much more… phallicly. Just an observation and I’m not sure if this is “fuzzy feet” but the base of the newly emerged mushrooms gets whispers of peach fuzz, that seems to disappear as soon as the mushroom gains some height. What’s going to happen with these crowded clusters? Will there be enough room as they grow? Is there any benefit to “thinning”?



Day 14 in the 28qt Mini Monotub/The Girlfriend:
Things in this tub are progressing and the knots are elongating and gaining coloration on the tips. Not sure why the mycelium seems to be turning beige in some areas…is this color dried metabolites? Contam? Dryness? The start of something else? Also what’s all this whiter stuff? Hopefully not trich




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Re: Grow Log: Mom’s 1st Cultivation - LC > Rye Jars > Unmodified > EZ Dialed Monotub(s) [Re: MushroomMommy]
    #28525898 - 11/01/23 08:42 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Grow Day 36

Day 18 in the 66qt Monotub/Big Boy:
Considering the fact that on Day 29, I had a meltdown, thinking that I had completely botched the whole grow, I’m feeling pretty happy with where things are at:


Still thinking I’ll attempt to clone that big one, if anyone can link me to the best cloning Tek I’d appreciate it! Also it would seem the squatty little “turd” look with some base level fuzzies, is just what they do prior to vertical growth and leaning out. Cool!

Day 15 in the 28qt Mini Monotub/The Girlfriend:
Started getting a little worried I might have trich but turned out to be bruising, some grumpy mycelium and some dryness. The mushrooms in this bin are looking like a bunch of weeble wobbles. Everyone’s facing a different direction hah! Not sure what’s up with that, but I’m just glad I don’t have contam like I thought.



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Re: Grow Log: Mom’s 1st Cultivation - LC > Rye Jars > Unmodified > EZ Dialed Monotub(s) [Re: MushroomMommy] * 1
    #28525903 - 11/01/23 08:46 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

It's an old tek, but not much has changed when it comes to cloning. Frank's has never done me wrong. It's really easy, the most important thing is your aseptic procedure.

Pick one that is fast growing, preferably in a cluster, and with a solid and not hollow stipe.


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Re: Grow Log: Mom’s 1st Cultivation - LC > Rye Jars > Unmodified > EZ Dialed Monotub(s) [Re: Way]
    #28525911 - 11/01/23 08:54 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

@Way: thank you for the quick reply. It’s been crickets in here so I’ve just been updating/editing the previous post.

If you look back a little ways in my grow you can see the 1 mushroom that I’m talking about, it came up like 3 days before anything else even thought about emerging and will likely break veil first. Do you think it’s a good candidate or no because it went through so much trauma…

I can alternatively take one of the big ones from a cluster instead.


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Re: Grow Log: Mom’s 1st Cultivation - LC > Rye Jars > Unmodified > EZ Dialed Monotub(s) [Re: MushroomMommy]
    #28525916 - 11/01/23 08:59 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Sure, why not? Plus it's not like you can only take one clone. Take a couple and grow them out to see which culture performs better.

The idea with taking one in a cluster is hopefully it will produce more clusters when you grow it out. I can't say I've personally noticed much of a difference between cloning clustered vs non clustered shrooms, but it is common advice around here and probably for a reason so I try to be cognizant of it. :shrug:

Nice job by the way. A lot better than my first run for sure. :thumbup:


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    #28525918 - 11/01/23 09:04 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Your smaller tub does look quite dry.  I'm not sure if that's why your mushrooms are all laying down for a nap.  I've never had that happen beyond 1 or 2 random shrooms.  It might be worth misting a bit.  I'm overly paranoid about causing bacterial blotch when misting fruits, but they should be fine with a light mist.

Your big tub looks pretty good.  I think a lot of the caps will be open by this time tomorrow.  There's a bit of fuzz there.  Personally I slice the fuzz off after harvesting, but you could probably just leave it there too.  I've never tried dehydrating them with all the fuzz on there though, so I don't know how it would look afterward.

In any case, you have shrooms, so congrats!

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Re: Grow Log: Mom’s 1st Cultivation - LC > Rye Jars > Unmodified > EZ Dialed Monotub(s) [Re: Kinoko314]
    #28525934 - 11/01/23 09:26 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Kinoko: no more misting EVER. Jk, but seriously I’m a lil traumatized from the overmisting mishap last week. But will put some water down the sides if you think I need to.


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Re: Grow Log: Mom’s 1st Cultivation - LC > Rye Jars > Unmodified > EZ Dialed Monotub(s) [Re: MushroomMommy]
    #28526162 - 11/02/23 03:52 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

For better or worse, it’s update time! Flush #1 is officially complete on the 66qt!

Grow Day 36 Continued: late night

Day 18 in the 66qt Monotub/Big Boy:
Was feeling proud of where this tub was at, but was completely caught off guard when I realized that several mushrooms had broken their veil.

I made THIS POST asking if having a few broken veils meant they were ready. After a couple peeps confirmed that the little collar I was seeing on some stems was leftover from a torn veil, I ran downstairs to look. In the span of two hours, what started as a few with a torn veil turned into 95% of them having it! Even some of the tiny ones! Was definitely surprised to see so many little ones with broken veils, was this a reaction to something I had done incorrectly?

Once I was done harvesting and loading the dehydrator, I noticed a few posts in that thread that said I could've easily waiting until the next day and been fine, but I must’ve already started. Oops.
:didntread:
Hopefully my early harvest doesn’t mean anything bad.

They’re seriously so squatty and dumb looking lol.

Trying to harvest inside the tub was a pain so figured I’d try to move the sub using the liner to slide it onto the side. Worked out well!


I started out trying to do the old twist and pull, but it was leading to almost comically large patches of substrate coming along with it. I’d heard this variety liked to dig in deep and sheesh, no kidding!


Surprised how stiff/hard they are (Yeah, yeah laugh it up), but I recall being told that hollow stems aren’t uncommon—maybe they were hard bc they were still small? At first, tried to remove every speck of substrate from each fruit which not only made a mess but it bruised the HELL out of a bunch of the fruits… speaking of bruising, I found it to be somewhat concerning how little pressure it took to make them bruise so badly! About 1/3 of the way through, I opted to aim for removing most of the debris instead of all of it, because A. I didn’t want to be doing this for a million hours and B. It’d probably be easier to brush them off AFTER they were dry. Duuuh.
:trekfacepalm:

Many fruits still suffered bruising, just not as badly as the first few. I noticed when I took down my mask a sort of stinging/tingling in my nose—not as intense as bleach or alcohol and it was faint, but should I be concerned? Is this a sign of bacteria in the deeper part of the substrate or just a natural defense the fungus gives off from the stress of being picked?

Wet weight of flush #1 was 964g, not sure if that’s good or bad. We’ll see about dry, but from what I understand it should be around 10%. Which won’t really matter if they’re weak because I picked these too early! Uhg. :frown: I ended up leaving about 20% of the first flush in place because not all the veils were broken and they were a little on the small side, so I want to see if they open up more.

It'll be interesting to see if these patches recolonize or not because the sub is pretty torn up.


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Re: Grow Log: Mom’s 1st Cultivation - LC > Rye Jars > Unmodified > EZ Dialed Monotub(s) [Re: MushroomMommy]
    #28526163 - 11/02/23 03:59 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Why are you harvesting mushrooms with a mask on?

That's really not necessary.
You're over thinking so much here.

You harvested prematurely based on the size seen here but it's not going to result in weak mushrooms.
Also bruising happens and is not something to be worried about, just grab the fruit and rub the coco off.

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Re: Grow Log: Mom’s 1st Cultivation - LC > Rye Jars > Unmodified > EZ Dialed Monotub(s) [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #28526165 - 11/02/23 04:18 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Quote:

DERRAYLD said:
Why are you harvesting mushrooms with a mask on



I figured it was better to wear a mask since I’d be exposing sub from under the surface layer and didn’t know if it’d be good to be that close and breathing all over it… :grin: but if it’s not needed, good to know that I can skip it next time. Thank you for letting me know.

However, the mask did help to minimize some of the weird smell that I mentioned. Do you know why that smell was present? Sounds dumb as shit,
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but I’m considered a “super smeller” and it’s a blessing and a curse to constantly be able to smell things that most other people can’t.

Quote:

You harvested prematurely based on the size seen here but it's not going to result in weak mushrooms. Also bruising happens and is not something to be worried about, just grab the fruit and rub the coco off.



Oh, so it doesn’t affect potency to not wait? Once the veil tears, how long is it before the cap flattens? Is bruising purely aesthetic?


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Re: Grow Log: Mom’s 1st Cultivation - LC > Rye Jars > Unmodified > EZ Dialed Monotub(s) [Re: MushroomMommy]
    #28526270 - 11/02/23 08:28 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

I have some nats that are all shrimpy like yours.  They were started from a germ plate, as I wanted to get something going while I did more transfers.  It didn't look so bad, but I assume it was bacterial.  That's probably the case for this tub as well.  As long as the smell doesn't get real bad you're fine to try to flush it again.

About the small tub, the surface does look dry, but considering you already have pins It will probably be okay as long as there's a decent amount of water deeper in the substrate.  If the whole sub is drying out there may not be enough water available to make very big mushrooms.

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Re: Grow Log: Mom’s 1st Cultivation - LC > Rye Jars > Unmodified > EZ Dialed Monotub(s) [Re: Kinoko314]
    #28527227 - 11/02/23 10:22 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Grow Day 37

Day 19 in the 66qt Monotub/Big Boy:
As a recap, wet weight of flush #1 was 964g. I dried on 160F for around 18 hours and thought I was being soooo smart by leaving some of the substrate on that I was bruising the hell out of the mushrooms trying to get off while wet--but low and behold it FUSED to the mushrooms. So there I was polishing and cutting each individual dried mushroom of any visible substrate. WHAT A CHORE. Final dry weight after that was 49g which is about 5% of the wet weight, but probably had more to do with what I cut off.

Look how cute and little they are! 🤓

Maybe it’s that they’re my first personal harvest or it’s the love and attention, or how long they were dried…but they cronch like a Cheeto and taste really good!

I can already tell that this level of individual attention will not be continuing on subsequent flushes and that I will become jaded and not mind cutting off bits of fruit to get rid of substrate, but for now nothing but TLC.


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Re: Grow Log: Mom’s 1st Cultivation - LC > Rye Jars > Unmodified > EZ Dialed Monotub(s) [Re: MushroomMommy] * 1
    #28533597 - 11/07/23 09:55 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Grow Day 38 - Friday

Day 20 in the 66qt Monotub/Big Boy:
To my surprise, most if not all of the areas where the surface was ripped up from the harvest have completely recolonized and the mushrooms I left in place are growing larger. New primordia is coming up so a second harvest doesn't seem like as much of a pipe dream.

Day 17 in the 28qt Mini-Monotub/The Girlfriend:
Things are looking pretty good in here albeit on the dry side. I can see the transition of the cap color from the dusty light brown to golden and toasty. Did I mention I added EZ Dialed holes? Because I did.



Grow Day 39 - Saturday

Day 21 in the 66qt Monotub/Big Boy:
Things are looking pretty good in here, but I will likely go ahead and harvest these at the same time as the mini-tub because as I can see the primordia increasing for flush 2 and I do not want a situation where I have to try and work around and stress out the pins of flush 2 while trying to harvest the overbaked leftovers from flush 1.


Day 18 in the 28qt Mini-Monotub/The Girlfriend:
Here's an afternoon shot of things in this tub, I'm thinking by early evening I am going to go ahead and harvest because I can see some of the mushrooms starting to split on the top probably from the abrupt FAE introduction. Oops.

Grow Day 40 - Sunday

Day 22 in the 66qt Monotub/Big Boy:
Harvested the remainder of this tub last night, but didn't separately weigh it from the mini monotub's harvest, wet or dry, oops. Oh well. With it being a few days since I rehydrated and surface conditions looking parched

I decided to commit the crime of putting micropore tape over some of the holes. I think moving forward with the EZ Dialed, I will be completely covering the optional 2 holes that are on either short side, so covering those.

I know, I know "dOnT rElY oN tHe HyGroMetEr", but I have to say, I was surprised to see RH take such a nose dive according to my reader. Note that Sensor 1 is Big Boy, Sensor 2 is The Girlfriend and Sensor 3 is an unrelated grow of lion's mane. The readout at the bottom is the ambient in the room.

FFWD… Come to find, it was low because the sensors weren't in the bins -_-. They were on my desk which explains why they were so close to ambient.


Day 19 in the 28qt Mini-Monotub/The Girlfriend:
In an attempt to figure out wet weight, I did take a photo of the trays on the scale then weigh the trays later, but I havent figured out the difference yet with other things going on. I may come back and update this post though. Figured out a better way to harvest that speeds things up and also results in less bruising, Hattori Hanzo-ing that shit with a sharp knife made for less substrate on the fruits and a quicker process. Especially given that a lot of my mushrooms whether by genetics or my own haphazard growing conditions have clustered together into mounds.

Total dry weight for the remainder of flush 1 from Big Boy and all of Flush 1 for The Girlfriend is 56g. Combined with the 48 grams from the first portion of flush 1 from Big Boy that brings Flush 1 total for both bins to 105g from a total of 5qt colonized grain and 10lbs of substrate. Not baaaad. Not great, but not bad.

Grow Day 41-Monday

Day 24 in the 66qt Monotub/Big Boy:
Okay, committing a further crime, covering a couple more holes with micropore, the bottom two of the 5 on the short sides and the center of the 3 on the long sides.It's just too dry in there. Since I am permanantly covering the optional holes, I found these cute stickers to put over them in the meantime. CUUUUUUTE!


Also, things are looking pretty alright inside. Got more primordia popping up and pins are showing up too.


Day 21 in the 28qt Mini-Monotub/The Girlfriend:
Put the cute stickers on the optional holes over here as well as covering a few with micropore, In hindsight, I don't think I should've put as many holes on this tub as I did for the 66. Seems obvious in retrospect, but :shrug: Things are looking good in here, readying for that second flush with super speed.




Grow Day 42

Day 25 in the 66qt Monotub/Big Boy:
Not a ton of change, but it does appear that humidity is working its way back up and pins are coming in stronger.


Day 22 in the 28qt Mini-Monotub/The Girlfriend:
Same in here. Probably a little early to say "it worked" but the micropore tape was probably one of my first decent impulse decisions in a while.


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Re: Grow Log: Mom’s 1st Cultivation - LC > Rye Jars > Unmodified > EZ Dialed Monotub(s) [Re: MushroomMommy]
    #28534028 - 11/08/23 09:29 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

As someone else said, next harvest wait a bit longer once the veils break. Youll be surprised how much larger fruits can get between when the veil breaks and they start dropping spores. Congratz and keep up the good work :rockon:


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    #28600187 - 12/27/23 06:59 PM (1 year, 21 days ago)

My sincere apologies for stopping updating this log. I started many other projects since this one and realized that I really didn’t like the effects of this variety so my interest in updating the log sort of waned. I’m going to wrap things up with some final thoughts, dry weight data and a photo dump.

From these 2 monotubs, I got a total of 6 flushes. Which probably would’ve continued even longer if a cat hadn’t knocked it down 6 feet off a shelf and made it topple to its doom.



Neither tub got any significant contam or issues so in that regard it was successful overall, having run for a total of 74 days in their tubs. If only I liked the variety because it was quick, easy, and prolific. A perfect introduction to the hobby.

The 3qts that went into the 66qt monotub were much more successful than the 28qt, but all in here’s the harvest data:

TOTAL dry harvest from 10 pints of spawn inoculated with 1cc each of LC using organic rye, grown on a total of 10lbs of substrate across 2 tubs yielded a formidable: 9.551oz / 270.77g

Not bad for my first cultivation attempt. Looking forward to what’s next.

Here’s the flush data:
Flush 1 66qt: wet weight 964g, Dry 49g
Flush 1 28qt plus a little from 66qt i left to grow out: Dry 56g
    Flush 1 total: 105g dry

Flush 2 66qt: dry weight 51g
Flush 2 28qt: dry weight 24g
    Flush 2 total: 75g dry

Flush 3 66qt plus a little from 28qt: Dry weight 63g (approx 53 from 66, 10g from 28qt)

This is around when 28qt stopped doing much, got some weird gelatin like metabolites and bacteria mix on the bottom of sub.

Flush 4 from 66qt: wet=?, Dry=12g

Flush 5 from 66qt: wet = 128, dry = 9.87 (down 7.71%)

Flush 6 from 66qt: wet = 84g, dry =  5.9g (down 7.1%)


Now, here’s a dump of photos from between grow day 42 and today—the final day which is grow day 92/day 74 spawned to bulk.







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    #28600189 - 12/27/23 07:01 PM (1 year, 21 days ago)

And some more:













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    #28600221 - 12/27/23 07:30 PM (1 year, 21 days ago)

Congrats on a great first pull, now you have plenty to hold you over till the next ones are done. Soon you will have more than you could eat in a couple of years.

Grow on Mommy!

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    #28600302 - 12/27/23 08:54 PM (1 year, 21 days ago)

:kaneclap::leocheers:

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    #28600336 - 12/27/23 10:06 PM (1 year, 20 days ago)

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Re: Grow Log: Mom’s 1st Cultivation - LC > Rye Jars > Unmodified > EZ Dialed Monotub(s) [Re: MushroomMommy] * 1
    #28600678 - 12/28/23 09:32 AM (1 year, 20 days ago)

Nice job MM!

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Re: Grow Log: Mom’s 1st Cultivation - LC > Rye Jars > Unmodified > EZ Dialed Monotub(s) [Re: Beautation]
    #28609054 - 01/04/24 01:48 AM (1 year, 13 days ago)

Thanks friends for all the encouragement and the community I didn’t know I needed.

While this variety’s effects were not my cup of tea…the true purpose of experience was well met. Not only well-endowed, long lasting, gentle and hand held my hand through the whole journey, but also I was given a safe space to explore and experiment; plenty of compassion while I found my personal groove.

I am left with the confidence to get out there and explore the wide world; find the one [or ones] that really meet my needs. So while I don’t know if we will ever find our way back to each other, I will always remain eternally grateful for the first-time experience and will remember our time with fondness.

He will always hold a special place in this girl’s heart.


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Re: Grow Log: Mom’s 1st Cultivation - LC > Rye Jars > Unmodified > EZ Dialed Monotub(s) [Re: MushroomMommy]
    #28622838 - 01/16/24 12:01 AM (1 year, 1 day ago)

Great Grow! Did you end up getting some spore prints and or make some LC from this strain you grew out? Just curious


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Re: Grow Log: Mom’s 1st Cultivation - LC > Rye Jars > Unmodified > EZ Dialed Monotub(s) [Re: mycoloking]
    #28622864 - 01/16/24 01:49 AM (1 year, 1 day ago)

Yeah I made some clones as a learning experience, which flourished as well as 300ml of master LC that came out perfectly.

When I say this variety is resilient AF, I mean it. While the fruits were less than desirable (for me), the confidence gained through the experience is unmatched. It truly is the PERFECT variety for anyone’s first cultivation. Perhaps the name (HB) is quite fitting because, this guy will survive anything.


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Re: Grow Log: Mom’s 1st Cultivation - LC > Rye Jars > Unmodified > EZ Dialed Monotub(s) [Re: MushroomMommy]
    #28623115 - 01/16/24 08:42 AM (1 year, 1 day ago)

When you did your clones were they straight from mushroom to LC or did you grown out in AGAR? I bet you were supper stoked seeing you LC results!


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Re: Grow Log: Mom’s 1st Cultivation - LC > Rye Jars > Unmodified > EZ Dialed Monotub(s) [Re: mycoloking]
    #28624121 - 01/16/24 11:23 PM (1 year, 22 hours ago)

The clones I put to agar. Used my ugliest plates too. The last transfer I put to a messed up plate that had dried tilted and the agar was up high on one side and the culture jumped the half pipe. Didn’t give a shit!

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Re: Grow Log: Mom’s 1st Cultivation - LC > Rye Jars > Unmodified > EZ Dialed Monotub(s) [Re: MushroomMommy]
    #28682989 - 03/01/24 06:43 PM (10 months, 11 days ago)

I'm new here and new to growing. Does this look like mold or is this normal?

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Re: Grow Log: Mom’s 1st Cultivation - LC > Rye Jars > Unmodified > EZ Dialed Monotub(s) [Re: aam] * 1
    #28683201 - 03/01/24 09:39 PM (10 months, 11 days ago)

Quote:

aam said:
I'm new here and new to growing. Does this look like mold or is this normal?



That tub is fucked. Ask questions in this thread next time instead of someone’s grow log
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