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Re: Grow Log: Mom’s 1st Cultivation - LC > Rye Jars > Unmodified > EZ Dialed Monotub(s) [Re: zimmey]
#28517683 - 10/25/23 12:10 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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If you are having issues still with your sub drying out, maybe if you keep the walls of your tub moist as well. When you mist the surface, mist your tub walls to provide a little more moisture in there. What you are describing doesn't make much sense to me, but I consider myself at the learning stage still.
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Re: Grow Log: Mom’s 1st Cultivation - LC > Rye Jars > Unmodified > EZ Dialed Monotub(s) [Re: zimmey]
#28517969 - 10/25/23 05:18 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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@Zimmey awwww thanks so much, you’ve made my day! I have been hoping it comes across as fun and entertaining to follow not TL;DR obnoxious
@hellofresh, I just bought some generic ones. The one I had before that I can’t find is a flairosol. These knock-off ones also have a .22mm nozzle, same as the flairosol—I know some of the other generics have a .33mm nozzle that’s not quite as fine and far as I can tell, these are pretty much the same as my old one.

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meta_mmxxii said: mist your tub walls to provide a little more moisture in there
Ok I’ll do that too next time I open it. Now that I’ve taped most of the FAE holes and secured the lid better, I’m going to try leaving closed a total of 24h and see if some combo of too many holes, the lid lifting in corners and opening and closing too often caused the prob.
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What you are describing doesn't make much sense to me
Can you clarify which part in particular didn’t make sense—as in, I wasn’t making sense or that the problem didn’t make sense, given the conditions…or both
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Re: Grow Log: Mom’s 1st Cultivation - LC > Rye Jars > Unmodified > EZ Dialed Monotub(s) [Re: meta_mmxxii]
#28517982 - 10/25/23 05:31 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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meta_mmxxii said: mist your tub walls to provide a little more moisture in there
Ok I’ll do that too next time I open it. Now that I’ve taped most of the FAE holes and secured the lid better, I’m going to try leaving closed a total of 24h and see if some combo of too many holes, the lid lifting in corners and opening and closing too often caused the prob.
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What you are describing doesn't make much sense to me
Can you clarify which part in particular didn’t make sense—as in, I wasn’t making sense or that the problem didn’t make sense, given the conditions…or both
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Re: Grow Log: Mom’s 1st Cultivation - LC > Rye Jars > Unmodified > EZ Dialed Monotub(s) [Re: MushroomMommy] 2
#28518485 - 10/26/23 04:02 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Grow Day 29 Day 11 in the 66qt Monotub/Big Boy: I’ve had to Dial BACK on PastyWhyte’s Dialed In Monotub design by temporarily restricting ~80% of the TEKs FAE; bringing total number of holes down from 18 to 6 (still with the paper sticker over them). The remaining 12 holes have been temporarily taped closed.
I was swiftly rewarded for this alteration; allowed to bear real-time witness to the majesty of nature’s response because the beads I’ve been trying to achieve (the bigger ones) formed shortly after this restriction before my eyes! JFC my dudes, Sir David Attenborough narrating the very moment couldn’t have made it better—actually it could’ve but… THE DROPLETS!!!!
 
Please note that by closing some of the holes, I do not feel that this means the EZ Dialed TEK is wrong, rather that several, unique variables to MY specific set up/environment led to a need for these temporary adjustments. I still plan to un-tape them once we start seeing some growth.
Late this evening, I’m peering through the fogged lid of my monotub, nodding in confirmation to myself as I scan the dewy surface and “Whaaaaaat?! Wtf is dis liddo bb?!”
Let the kingdom rejoice, for on this very eve, a son has been born!
HEY EVERYONE, LOOK AT MY MICRO PEEN! I’m a MUSHROOM MOMMY! Now from the top, Make it drop, Day 8 in the 28qt Mini Monotub/The Girlfriend: Things are continuing to progress with the laissez-faire approach. Leaving it alone seems the best decision rn because no mods with stopping the fan/mist is BLESS! Just look at that landscape’s moisture… Now get a bucket and a mop, that's some wet a$$
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Re: Grow Log: Mom’s 1st Cultivation - LC > Rye Jars > Unmodified > EZ Dialed Monotub(s) [Re: MushroomMommy]
#28518510 - 10/26/23 05:04 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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I'm glad that it's working out for you. Your myc was starting to get matted down, probably from repeated drying/misting cycles. I don't know if the manure was affecting it. I've never used it. I still find it strange that it was drying out so much, but hopefully a thicker sub next time will take care of that.
At this point I would continue to avoid misting. If it still really seems dry before your first flush is done you can bottom water. I would only do it if you're really sure it needs it though. Stick a finger in your sub if you have to to make sure it actually feels dry before you add more water.
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Re: Grow Log: Mom’s 1st Cultivation - LC > Rye Jars > Unmodified > EZ Dialed Monotub(s) [Re: Kinoko314]
#28518617 - 10/26/23 08:00 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Exciting!
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Re: Grow Log: Mom’s 1st Cultivation - LC > Rye Jars > Unmodified > EZ Dialed Monotub(s) [Re: NatureGrl]
#28518683 - 10/26/23 09:02 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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"Can you clarify which part in particular didn’t make sense—as in, I wasn’t making sense or that the problem didn’t make sense, given the conditions…or both" Lol, you made plenty of sense, I was referring to your problem, but Kinoko gave you some solid advice, I would def go with what he said.
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Re: Grow Log: Mom’s 1st Cultivation - LC > Rye Jars > Unmodified > EZ Dialed Monotub(s) [Re: meta_mmxxii]
#28518735 - 10/26/23 10:05 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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@Kinoko: Oh okay, so you’re speculating that from a cycle of dry>wet>dry>wet; it compacted/matted.
So, in ideal conditions, should the surface growth be standing straight up (vertical) or should it be growing across the surface and “vining”, horizontally?
Whoa whoa whoa, hol’up you’re saying stop misting altogether?
And @meta_mmxxii: you’re agreeing or at least deferring to Kinoko, to stop misting?

@Naturegrl: yeeeeeeew
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Re: Grow Log: Mom’s 1st Cultivation - LC > Rye Jars > Unmodified > EZ Dialed Monotub(s) [Re: MushroomMommy]
#28518825 - 10/26/23 11:39 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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I would trust anything Kinoko suggests at face value. He is very knowledgeable of the craft, and if he is not sure he ALWAYS defers to people that can confirm or deny. Don't let his post count fool you, he knows of what he speaks.
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Re: Grow Log: Mom’s 1st Cultivation - LC > Rye Jars > Unmodified > EZ Dialed Monotub(s) [Re: meta_mmxxii]
#28519013 - 10/26/23 02:41 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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@meta_mmxxii appreciate the insight bud
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Re: Grow Log: Mom’s 1st Cultivation - LC > Rye Jars > Unmodified > EZ Dialed Monotub(s) [Re: MushroomMommy] 1
#28519141 - 10/26/23 04:37 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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meta_mmxxii said: I would trust anything Kinoko suggests at face value. He is very knowledgeable of the craft, and if he is not sure he ALWAYS defers to people that can confirm or deny. Don't let his post count fool you, he knows of what he speaks. 
I think I'm blushing. 
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MushroomMommy said: @Kinoko: Oh okay, so you’re speculating that from a cycle of dry>wet>dry>wet; it compacted/matted.
So, in ideal conditions, should the surface growth be standing straight up (vertical) or should it be growing across the surface and “vining”, horizontally?
Whoa whoa whoa, hol’up you’re saying stop misting altogether?
Yes, matting is common when there are repeated wet/dry cycles, and it can make it hard to get pinning. I thought I read that you stopped misting already, but I may be losing my mind. I still think it would be best to avoid misting so that you don't make the surface worse. If the surface is really looking bone dry you can mist a little bit but I would go very easy on it. As your mushrooms get bigger, misting can sometimes lead to bacterial blotch on your caps, so that's another consideration.
I'm wondering if the sub is getting dry all the way through, or if it's mainly just at the surface. If there's still water down below, and you have pins growing, you probably won't have a problem finishing the flush. If it is dry all the way through, bottom watering will supply more water without disturbing the surface. You just pour some water down the side and let it soak into the bottom. If it doesn't soak it all up in maybe half a day (give or take) then dump out the rest. Your tub might be too big to dump water out though, so I guess just take it slow if you choose to bottom water.
Surface growth can show up differently. Sometimes it's more fuzzy/tomentose, sometimes it's more spikey/rhizo. Either way it should maintain it's form/structure without matting down or getting waterlogged. The ultimate goal is to not have to mist at all until after the first flush.
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Re: Grow Log: Mom’s 1st Cultivation - LC > Rye Jars > Unmodified > EZ Dialed Monotub(s) [Re: Kinoko314]
#28519405 - 10/26/23 08:24 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Mommy, you are going to have a metric butt load of shrooms pretty soon, hope you are prepared, lol You will probably need 3 DH going to keep up. Nicely done, you are a very good student. I look forward to your future grows.
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Re: Grow Log: Mom’s 1st Cultivation - LC > Rye Jars > Unmodified > EZ Dialed Monotub(s) [Re: meta_mmxxii] 1
#28523604 - 10/30/23 04:11 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Grow Day 30 Day 12 in the 66qt Monotub/Big Boy: Today is the second day having 80% of the FAE holes taped, with moisture returning to the surface and misting completely haulted, by late night I removed the tape from all the holes (but leave the filter stickers in place for now).
I probably will get a lot of flack for these next few paragraphs, but I have concluded that I should not have taken the information in Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE so literally. For me, attempting to add moisture to the point of "surface beads" caused a great deal more problems than it corrected. Again, this is specific to my situation and I am not necessarily saying that others should disregard the info in that write up. I will also admit, it is fully possible that some other variable in my grow, whether ambient temp, depth of substrate/grain relative to the size of tub, type of grain, type of sub, how long I waited to introduce FAE or some other reason ONLY specific to MY grow was the true fault.
Regardless, attempting to (though I never really did) achieve beads the same size as the photo references in that write-up, were just not doable and led to over-misting and what ended up becoming the early stages of, *whispers* overlay. From a repeated wet>dry cycle of adding mist, to it being so much mist that it pooled, then trying to remove/dry the water, the mycelium on the surface of top layer became so matted down that it was turning into a shell; resembling snow that had melted and refroze into ice or royal icing on decorated sugar cookies. It was beginning to act as a barrier and blocking any of the misted water from beading on the surface, instead it would ski around on the crusted over top layer--never actually absorbing.
After this dreaded diagnosis, I thought about "forking" the surface, but thankfully considered the further negative complications that could bring about. Instead, I did what I should have done all along, leave the bin TF alone. I planned to slowly re-introduce FAE over the next 24 hours and continue to not mist, regardless of how the surface appeared.

 It is probably best to remember that no single Tek/How-to is going to be 100% accurate for everyone's journey, because most of us are NOT working in sterile labs where we can control/replicate exact conditions that another cultivator has.
Day 9 in the 28qt Mini Monotub/The Girlfriend: This tub though slightly flattening was not in early-stage overlay as badly as the other. I attribute this mostly to sub depth and less FAE. While I did over-mist this tub a little bit, it was not as much as the other. I have officially stopped misting this tub as of last night, again regardless of surface appearance. By late evening, the surface is recovering from the flatness and starting to stand back up. Given this, I have now unlatched and flipped the lid on this tub which brought the overall (but probably not totally accurate) RH down from 95% to around 80%.



Grow Day 31 Day 13 in the 66qt Monotub/Big Boy: Noticed the single mushroom was getting fatter, if he doesn't abort, I'll probably try to clone later. I can now see a few other mushrooms emerging so I removed the stickers from the two short sides and leaving the 3 on each long side. Fully exposing a total of 12 of 18 holes.


 If you're wondering about the little brown patch, I had poked around to feel sub moisture yesterday or day before and disrupted some of the surface. Hoping it recovers without an issue, but left some of the filter stickers on a little longer to aid in recovery don’t want to open a hole directly aimed at it.
Day 10 in the 28qt Mini Monotub/The Girlfriend: Nothing to report, surface doesn't have the beads anymore, but again I'm okay with this. Continuing to recover from the flatness.
Grow Day 32 Day 14 in the 66qt Monotub/Big Boy: Removed all stickers from the tub and now have all 18 holes exposed. No photo but, the little mushrooms from the previous day are coming up as are many additional patches of growth.
Day 11 in the 28qt Mini Monotub/The Girlfriend: Moved the lid slightly to let in a little more air. No mushrooms yet.
Grow Day 33 Day 15 in the 66qt Monotub/Big Boy: Many more clusters forming and creating an even layer of similar sized growth--with the exception of that single chonker chode that came up a couple days before all of these. I think I might be en route to having a solid canopy if all of these continue growing at such a similar rate.


Day 12 in the 28qt Mini Monotub/The Girlfriend: forgot to get a photo, but still no mushrooms appearing, however raised white dots/primordial growth is beginning so we should see some mushroom babies tomorrow, I would guess.
Grow Day 34 Day 16 in the 66qt Monotub/Big Boy: Things are progressing nicely, we are continuing to see more mushrooms pop up but in general things are staying nicely consistent. I have had to rotate the tub a couple of times to even out the ambient light entering the bin and we've got a particularly sunny day today, so I imagine we'll see some results from the stronger light tomorrow.

Day 13 in the 28qt Mini Monotub/The Girlfriend: As predicted, that primordial growth is starting to take off we've got the first signs of actual mushroom formation. I will say that I am surprised to see that timeline wise, this monotub is mostly on a track to the Big Boy, despite my "panic compress" on day 2 of this tub. I will note that I can see some very slight discoloration of mycelium and hope that won't prove to be an issue later on.

Grow Day 35 Day 17 in the 66qt Monotub/Big Boy: Welp, the randomly warmer weather and an ambient room temp around 73, pushed this tub to really put out some aggressive growth! That chonker boi is looking less like a squatty Hershey’s Kiss and lengthening much more… phallicly. Just an observation and I’m not sure if this is “fuzzy feet” but the base of the newly emerged mushrooms gets whispers of peach fuzz, that seems to disappear as soon as the mushroom gains some height. What’s going to happen with these crowded clusters? Will there be enough room as they grow? Is there any benefit to “thinning”?


Day 14 in the 28qt Mini Monotub/The Girlfriend: Things in this tub are progressing and the knots are elongating and gaining coloration on the tips. Not sure why the mycelium seems to be turning beige in some areas…is this color dried metabolites? Contam? Dryness? The start of something else? Also what’s all this whiter stuff? Hopefully not trich

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Re: Grow Log: Mom’s 1st Cultivation - LC > Rye Jars > Unmodified > EZ Dialed Monotub(s) [Re: MushroomMommy]
#28525898 - 11/01/23 08:42 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Grow Day 36 Day 18 in the 66qt Monotub/Big Boy: Considering the fact that on Day 29, I had a meltdown, thinking that I had completely botched the whole grow, I’m feeling pretty happy with where things are at:

 Still thinking I’ll attempt to clone that big one, if anyone can link me to the best cloning Tek I’d appreciate it! Also it would seem the squatty little “turd” look with some base level fuzzies, is just what they do prior to vertical growth and leaning out. Cool!
Day 15 in the 28qt Mini Monotub/The Girlfriend: Started getting a little worried I might have trich but turned out to be bruising, some grumpy mycelium and some dryness. The mushrooms in this bin are looking like a bunch of weeble wobbles. Everyone’s facing a different direction hah! Not sure what’s up with that, but I’m just glad I don’t have contam like I thought.

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Re: Grow Log: Mom’s 1st Cultivation - LC > Rye Jars > Unmodified > EZ Dialed Monotub(s) [Re: MushroomMommy] 1
#28525903 - 11/01/23 08:46 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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It's an old tek, but not much has changed when it comes to cloning. Frank's has never done me wrong. It's really easy, the most important thing is your aseptic procedure.
Pick one that is fast growing, preferably in a cluster, and with a solid and not hollow stipe.
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Re: Grow Log: Mom’s 1st Cultivation - LC > Rye Jars > Unmodified > EZ Dialed Monotub(s) [Re: Way]
#28525911 - 11/01/23 08:54 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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@Way: thank you for the quick reply. It’s been crickets in here so I’ve just been updating/editing the previous post.
If you look back a little ways in my grow you can see the 1 mushroom that I’m talking about, it came up like 3 days before anything else even thought about emerging and will likely break veil first. Do you think it’s a good candidate or no because it went through so much trauma…
I can alternatively take one of the big ones from a cluster instead.
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Re: Grow Log: Mom’s 1st Cultivation - LC > Rye Jars > Unmodified > EZ Dialed Monotub(s) [Re: MushroomMommy]
#28525916 - 11/01/23 08:59 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Sure, why not? Plus it's not like you can only take one clone. Take a couple and grow them out to see which culture performs better.
The idea with taking one in a cluster is hopefully it will produce more clusters when you grow it out. I can't say I've personally noticed much of a difference between cloning clustered vs non clustered shrooms, but it is common advice around here and probably for a reason so I try to be cognizant of it. 
Nice job by the way. A lot better than my first run for sure.
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Re: Grow Log: Mom’s 1st Cultivation - LC > Rye Jars > Unmodified > EZ Dialed Monotub(s) [Re: MushroomMommy]
#28525918 - 11/01/23 09:04 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Your smaller tub does look quite dry. I'm not sure if that's why your mushrooms are all laying down for a nap. I've never had that happen beyond 1 or 2 random shrooms. It might be worth misting a bit. I'm overly paranoid about causing bacterial blotch when misting fruits, but they should be fine with a light mist.
Your big tub looks pretty good. I think a lot of the caps will be open by this time tomorrow. There's a bit of fuzz there. Personally I slice the fuzz off after harvesting, but you could probably just leave it there too. I've never tried dehydrating them with all the fuzz on there though, so I don't know how it would look afterward.
In any case, you have shrooms, so congrats!
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Re: Grow Log: Mom’s 1st Cultivation - LC > Rye Jars > Unmodified > EZ Dialed Monotub(s) [Re: Kinoko314]
#28525934 - 11/01/23 09:26 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Kinoko: no more misting EVER. Jk, but seriously I’m a lil traumatized from the overmisting mishap last week. But will put some water down the sides if you think I need to.
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Re: Grow Log: Mom’s 1st Cultivation - LC > Rye Jars > Unmodified > EZ Dialed Monotub(s) [Re: MushroomMommy]
#28526162 - 11/02/23 03:52 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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For better or worse, it’s update time! Flush #1 is officially complete on the 66qt!
Grow Day 36 Continued: late night Day 18 in the 66qt Monotub/Big Boy: Was feeling proud of where this tub was at, but was completely caught off guard when I realized that several mushrooms had broken their veil.
I made THIS POST asking if having a few broken veils meant they were ready. After a couple peeps confirmed that the little collar I was seeing on some stems was leftover from a torn veil, I ran downstairs to look. In the span of two hours, what started as a few with a torn veil turned into 95% of them having it! Even some of the tiny ones! Was definitely surprised to see so many little ones with broken veils, was this a reaction to something I had done incorrectly?
Once I was done harvesting and loading the dehydrator, I noticed a few posts in that thread that said I could've easily waiting until the next day and been fine, but I must’ve already started. Oops.
 Hopefully my early harvest doesn’t mean anything bad.
 They’re seriously so squatty and dumb looking lol.
Trying to harvest inside the tub was a pain so figured I’d try to move the sub using the liner to slide it onto the side. Worked out well!

I started out trying to do the old twist and pull, but it was leading to almost comically large patches of substrate coming along with it. I’d heard this variety liked to dig in deep and sheesh, no kidding!

Surprised how stiff/hard they are (Yeah, yeah laugh it up), but I recall being told that hollow stems aren’t uncommon—maybe they were hard bc they were still small? At first, tried to remove every speck of substrate from each fruit which not only made a mess but it bruised the HELL out of a bunch of the fruits… speaking of bruising, I found it to be somewhat concerning how little pressure it took to make them bruise so badly! About 1/3 of the way through, I opted to aim for removing most of the debris instead of all of it, because A. I didn’t want to be doing this for a million hours and B. It’d probably be easier to brush them off AFTER they were dry. Duuuh.

Many fruits still suffered bruising, just not as badly as the first few. I noticed when I took down my mask a sort of stinging/tingling in my nose—not as intense as bleach or alcohol and it was faint, but should I be concerned? Is this a sign of bacteria in the deeper part of the substrate or just a natural defense the fungus gives off from the stress of being picked?
Wet weight of flush #1 was 964g, not sure if that’s good or bad. We’ll see about dry, but from what I understand it should be around 10%. Which won’t really matter if they’re weak because I picked these too early! Uhg. I ended up leaving about 20% of the first flush in place because not all the veils were broken and they were a little on the small side, so I want to see if they open up more.
It'll be interesting to see if these patches recolonize or not because the sub is pretty torn up.
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