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Grow Log: Mom’s 1st Cultivation - LC > Rye Jars > Unmodified > EZ Dialed Monotub(s) * 2
    #28506186 - 10/15/23 10:28 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

This is my first attempt at mushroom cult and I’ve set my sights high! Starting with making grain jars, inoculating with an LC syringe, colonizing then spawning to a bulk substrate a monotub and harvesting 1 or more flushesj, with no contam. I am willing to change my intended Tek, but mostly want to rely on the tried and true—trusted cultivator methods.

Obv. I understand that sometimes things may happen that are outside of our control, but those aside, let’s go for gold!

Materials

Pressure Cooker: I used a 6qt Instantpot Duo Gourmet.
-Specs: This specific model hovers between 10-11psi on HIGH and can accommodate a max of 4 pint-sized mason jars per cycle.

Unmodified Monotub: Sterilite rectangular non-gasket tote (with the purple handles) and clear lid.

Jars: Pint Sized, 16oz Wide Mouth Ball Mason Jars

Modified Lids: My Lid Tek can be found here

Phase 1: Grain Preparation and Sterilization

I needed a minimum of 6 colonized pints or an equivalent of 3lbs. By prepping 10 pints, each filled with .5lb/226g of hydrated grain, I figured I could count on at least 6 avoiding contamination.

Working in batches and preparing only the amount of grain needed for 4 pints at a time (since that’s what my PC could hold), I washed my organic rye grain with cold tap water 5-7x until water was clear (treat it like rice and rinse, rinse, rinse).

Drained grain went into a lidded container of cold or room temp RO water (I have an RO water system, but feel could be any filtered water)to 1-2” above. I soaked 12h and changed water anytime it became a weak tea color (for me this was ~5x).

Most grain tek doesn’t mention water changes, but doing will keep many issues at bay. I read an alarming number of complaints that rye smells bad. Depending on your interpretation of bad, this off smell is going to come from the grain beginning to ferment or worst case, it’s rotting/spoiling. These issues can easily be avoided by regular water change and keeping the soaking grains out of direct sunlight and/or excessive heat. Can’t believe I have to say this, but in no way should you use a grain that smells like vomit or garbage! From my understanding, to release endospores enough to be killed in the PC cycle, you’ll need to soak a minimum of 4 hours and should really max out around 12-15h to maintain integrity for boiling—some say to soak for 24h but imho that seems excessive.

After soak, for this run, I boiled the grains for 1 of 2 lengths of time. You’ll see below that I had 3 test groups of grain jars with varying boil time, PC time and/or sanitation level to experiment for my future finalized grain Tek.

All of the following groups had a 12 hour soak and in all cases, the water was brought to boil prior to adding the soaked grain to pot.

Group 1 (2 pints):
*I deemed this round failed on multiple occasions, so it has additional steps that I didn’t continue to include in Tek.

Hard/rolling boil for 10m, then remained in hot water, off heat, for another 15-20m while I scoured the internet trying to figure out why I had so many popped grains. In an attempt to save them, I shocked in ice water (to stop cook) then drained and towel dried, air dried for ~1.5 hours.

Texture was still slightly tacky, so at this point, sanitation practices were minimized once deemed a snack for my chickens in AM. They sat in an open container for another hour in fridge before I said “fuck it” after they barely passed a TP test. Omitting as many popped grains as I could, I loaded 2 jars (with 226g ea), set the PC for 2 hours and went to bed. Oh, final moisture retention estimate: ~81%

Group 2 (4 pints):
Hard boil for 8m, drained and directly poured onto frozen sheet pans. The rapid temp shock would create a massive steam effect while locking in moisture. Once steam dissipated, covered in tea towel and air dried on counter for around 1.5-2h. Passed TP test easily, minimal to no popped grains, high level sanitation throughout. PC time 2h15m. Final moisture retention estimate: 61%

Note: One jar in this group, labeled 2B, had 25% of its grain from group 1’s refrigerated leftovers. I was sure, if any jar was going to contaminate, it’d be this one.

Group 3 (4 pints):
Everything was a mirror or Group 2 procedure with exception of starting grain weight +15% (eliminating need for a 3B jar). PC 2h30m. Final moisture retention estimate: 62%

Surprisingly, all 3 groups managed to avoid contamination…so onto the next step.

Phase 2: Inoculation to Colonization

Day 0: In a SAB, I inoculate all 10 pints with ~1cc ea of (verified clean) LC. Then, I shook them (if you just cringed…hol’up cuz it gets worse)

Day 3: first signs of visible mycelium


Thinking about the possibility that I might exceed my required 6 pints and that all 10 jars could colonize.

The next observation really blew my mind. Group 1 (the sloppy ones) were colonizing the quickest and most aggressively! 2B was a day behind Group 1 with the remainder of Group 2 and all of Group 3 at least 2 days behind. From this, I concluded that for final Rye Tek, I would need to get moisture retention up near Group 1’s 80% while somehow avoiding popping grains. I will outline my finalized rye grain tek in a separate thread or SOP.

With all 10 jars colonizing, I started considering 5lbs of grain to 10lbs of substrate in the monotub! Or maybe a grain to grain transfer and even more tubs!
:ohsodevious:

Day 9: 6 of the 10 jars are at 20-30%, Shake time.

remaining 4 of 10 jars were not ready for shake.

Day 11: Remaining 4 jars get their shake. With 6 jars so far ahead I’m thinking any plans I had to put all 10 pints in the monotub might not work out. That’s ok, I can figure something else out for the 4.

Day 15: I get a wild hair and decide the two jars from Group 1 + maybe a few others are looking too compressed and need to be shaken. So, I shake Group 1 with the intention of slowing them down and give the other 4 intended for the Monotub a chance to catch up. Then the 4 that I’m not sure what I’m going to do with I also shake so I can have more time to figure out what I’m going to do with them. Why am I like this?
:migraine:

Day 17: All 6 jars intended for the 66qt monotub are looking good. I made a post asking if they looked ready and got a trusted cultivator to respond with yes! Here’s the photo I posted:

My jars don’t seem to have the “white out” conditions that  many growers get, but I figure it could be that I shook them multiple times or bc I had only 1cc, or bc my grain jars were on the heavy side with 1/2lb of hydrated rye per jar? Maybe one or all of the above.

The photo I posted was also the most heavily colonized of the 6, so probably wasn’t the best representation of the jars, as a whole. I wait another day before spawning to bulk.

Grow Day 18 and Day 0 in the 66qt Monotub:
Glad I waited as now all 6 look like the jar that I posted the photo of.

Into the 66qt unmodified monotub (with liner) goes 3lbs of grain and 6lbs of substrate. The substrate I am using came recommended to me (not sure if allowed to name drop) and is a combination of the standard CVG with additional goodies like: worm castings, organic coffee and tortoise poop. It comes already pasteurized and at field capacity. Before adding to tub, I checked the FC and it’s slightly over, which is ok bc the variety I am growing is notably thirsty.

My main reason for additional shakes was how often I saw growers struggle to get the grain from the jar and/or uncolonized grain in center. For mine, it was a little bump with my palm on the side and the grain effortlessly poured out. Additionally, each grain was evenly coated.


The smell was absolutely gorgeous—like a fresh forest floor—No unusual odors and not a contaminate in sight. I gently hand mixed the 3lb of colonized grain with ~5lbs of the sub, lightly compressed and then smoothed flat. I made sure not to overcompress, because I thought air flow might be important. Cased with the remaining ~1lb of sub, just enough to cover any exposed grains. Some concern re: depth, it’s only about 2.5-3” but we’ll see how that pans out:

I put the lid on, unlatched but closed and now…we wait.

Why I’m distinguishing between colonizing and fruiting conditions: I went back and forth on whether or not to put the monotub directly into fruiting conditions per  BOD’s TEK by inverting the lid and providing tub with FAE via the air gaps. I ultimately opted to secure the lid (for this first run anyway) during colonization, if for no other reason than to buy myself some time to figure out a better way to do fruiting phase. I’ve got some flying pests in the house bc I keep houseplants and have a robust outdoor garden, but in general, I find myself consulting Bod’s Tek—the chaotic simplicity, set it and forget it, devil-may-care attitude is enviable.

The more I think about it, the more I just don’t love the idea of precariously balancing an unsecured, slip-n-slide lid with unfiltered/unscreened openings that offer direct access to my precious future fruits! There might as well be a neon sign:

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Re: Grow Journal/Log: 1st time cultivator fixin to grow sum hillbillies - lc > rye > mono tub [Re: MushroomMommy] * 1
    #28506682 - 10/16/23 10:19 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

That pic of your fully colonized grain jar looks like mold to me.

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Re: Grow Journal/Log: 1st time cultivator fixin to grow sum mushrooms - lc > rye > mono tub [Re: MushroomMommy]
    #28507048 - 10/16/23 03:37 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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RoscoeReturns said:
That pic of your fully colonized grain jar looks like mold to me.




Oh my. I sure hope not. And if it is mold, it’s white and smells like mushrooms.

I was told by a TC that it looked ready,HERE is a link to the thread for reference.


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Re: Grow Journal/Log: 1st time cultivator fixin to grow sum mushrooms - lc > rye > mono tub [Re: MushroomMommy]
    #28507127 - 10/16/23 04:41 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Grow Day 20

Day 2 of 66qt monotub:
We have got signs of colonization with these cotton bud mycelium / tomentose starting to emerge! Pardon the poor quality of photo, didn’t want to open the tub and mess up colonization humidity.


Speaking of humidity, I hummed and hawed a bit on getting a hygrometer, but ordered one and it’ll be here tomorrow.


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Re: Grow Journal/Log: 1st time cultivator fixin to grow sum hillbillies - lc > rye > mono tub [Re: RoscoeReturns]
    #28508055 - 10/17/23 12:07 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Quote:

RoscoeReturns said:
That pic of your fully colonized grain jar looks like mold to me.




Personally, I think it's fine.  I think you may have a case of tomentose-phobia.


@MushroomMommy - Hygrometers aren't actually useful for mush cult.  It's the conditions right at the surface that we care about, and the hygrometer won't help with that.  Only your eyes will.  Maybe I'm getting ahead of myself, but read this if you haven't already.

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Re: Grow Journal/Log: 1st time cultivator fixin to grow us sum mushrooms - lc > rye > mono tub [Re: MushroomMommy]
    #28508349 - 10/17/23 04:07 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Kinoko314 said:
@MushroomMommy - Hygrometers aren't actually useful for mush cult.  It's the conditions right at the surface that we care about, and the hygrometer won't help with that.  Only your eyes will.  Maybe I'm getting ahead of myself, but read this if you haven't already.



Thank you for chiming in!

I’ve heard that too, that they’re unreliable/unnecessary, but I still kind of want one. Plan to use in tandem or as a loose, second opinion to reinforce what i think I’m observing, moisture wise. MOSTLY to supply myself with more data for future changes, like continuing unmodified, changing bin size, adjust sub depth or ratio etc.

…at least that’s what I’m telling myself.


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Re: Grow Journal/Log: 1st time cultivator fixin to grow sum mushrooms - lc > rye > mono tub [Re: MushroomMommy] * 1
    #28508820 - 10/17/23 10:06 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Grow Day 21

Day 3 of the 66qt Monotub:
The thermometer/hygrometer got here and while I a knowledge most TCs say they’re a waste, it’ll only be used as a dodgy second opinion. MOSTLY, for comparative data that I will use along with intermittent CO2 readings to determine if I should do future bins w/ no mods, add fans, change type or size of tub and see how different amounts of spawn and/or sub affect the grow. So while, I’m sure all the experienced myco wizards are shaking your head in disappointment…:evil: I want it. Haha

While installing the reader/sensor inside the tub, I got a solid picture of the new Rhizomorphic Mycelium growth! I definitely thought, based on the way the way the grain jars colonized and the first look at the growth in tub, I was for sure going to have Tomentose, but here we are.:grin: They look like liddo fireworks or like coral polyps, specifically xenia!!! Which is suuuuper cool. 🤓

Here’s a photo of pulsing xenia if anyone’s curious:

I also noticed that the mycelium seemed to be colonizing much more of the right side, the side closest to the light source—could be coincidence, but just in case, I gave the bin a rotation on the shelf and don’t mind doing this now and again throughout the process, though once fruiting, I’ll probably add an artificial light source in addition to the sunlight


I’m hooking up the Big Boy Monotub with a Girlfriend

Day 0 of the Mini-Monotub/The Girlfriend:
Figured out what to do with the remaining 4 pints that were a couple days behind in colonization.

Putting together a mini monotub, a “monotub-ette”, if you will, aka Big Boy’s Girlfriend. Rather than using the standard Shoebox Tek, I was inspired by a tub that I had purchased to keep my quart sized jars in while they colonize. During colonization, I kept the pints in a clear, 16qt storage bin, but when I upgraded to a larger PC. I found out that the quart jars are too tall to fit in the 16qt. The container I’m using for the mini monotub is around the same height/depth as the ubiquitous 66qt sterilite, but just under half the volume at 28.3qt. Here’s the specs:

I’m running this smaller tub with a little more than half the volume of grain/subs. Made a deeper 5” liner bc it’s around 4.5”, she thiccc. 1:2 ratio with 2lbs of colonized grain and 4lbs of sub, cased the same way with a thin top layer, just enough to cover the grain.

The substrate was lower field capacity from being open, so I brought sub to the same field capacity as we used in the main tub, which is just slightly above standard field capacity.

Here’s the sub in:

The colonized grain from the jars, once again smelled like the cloak of a Chaotic Good Druid and just like the others, exited their jar with the utmost of ease.

Mmmm lovely 🥰

Thought about flipping the lid to “fruiting conditions” but still having figured out keeping bugs out, so leave it closed for now. Note that in the photo of the base unit, that sensor 1 is The Girlfriend/Mini Mono and sensor 2 is Big Boy/Regular Monotub…I probably should’ve put sensor 1 in the main tub and sensor 2 in the smaller…oops. I’ll probably switch those later. The read out on the bottom is the Temp/RH for the room.


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Re: Grow Journal/Log: 1st time cultivator fixin to grow sum mushrooms - lc syringe > rye grain in jars > unmodified mon... [Re: MushroomMommy] * 1
    #28510018 - 10/18/23 10:01 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Grow Day 22

Day 4 of 66qt monotub/Big Boy:
Things seem to be going strong still and that rhizomorphic growth is spreading rapidly. I think rotating the bin was helpful in creating a more uniform blanket.

Not the clearest photo because I didn’t want to open the lid and mess up the humidity, but you can see the progress for sure when compared to yesterday’s photo.

Day 1 of the 28qt mini monotub/The Girlfriend:
Looking in, it’s hard to tell if that’s growth that has zombied through the thin casing layer or grain that might have been exposed when tilting the tub up on the shelf. If it follows suit with Big Boy, we should see real growth tomorrow or the next day.


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Re: Grow Journal/Log: 1st time cultivator fixin to grow sum mushrooms - lc syringe > rye grain in jars > unmodified mon... [Re: MushroomMommy] * 1
    #28511073 - 10/19/23 08:38 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Grow Day 23:

Took the bins out for a little change of scenery. A field trip to the kitchen table for a mid-day strong, indirect light sesh for a couple hours, while I marveled and told them how pretty they are.
:happiness:
I am in awe of their daily progress and how each day they become more beautiful than the one before. Really hoping they make it through to harvest.

Day 5 of 66qt monotub/Big Boy:


Late Night and Post Bong Rip

I started reading Stipe-n-Cap‘s “Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9” and go into full blown PANIC that I’ve completely fucked myself by doing a 1:2 ratio and am now CERTAIN I’m going to get “blobs”!
:thatistroubling:
(tbh I didn’t even look up what they were)

TIME TO (characteristically) MAKE AN IMPULSIVE CHANGE

The BIG BOY 66qt already looked lovely, so not going to mess with him, however…

Day 2 of 28qt mini monotub/The Girlfriend:
This tub only had a few exposed grains, barely starting to get myc fuzz. I debate whether or not to opening a new bag of substrate for deeper casing, then I second guess—should I be messing with things??? I decide to not add more sub and stick to the original 1:2 ratio. For the most part, I still want the only difference between the two tubs to be size of tub…and I guess spawn/sub volume relative to the container size.

However, I DID make ONE change based on the top layer pseudo casing TEK—I gloved up, sprayed my hands with iso70 and 👏Compressed. 👏That.👏Bitch. After that, I did a barely there *spritz* of distilled water to thoughtfully counteract any moisture evap caused by alcohol on my glove and close the lid.

Was this necessary? Was this a mistake?

📣⚡️FIND OUT NEXT TIME ON…

Edited by MushroomMommy (10/24/23 05:34 AM)

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Re: Grow Journal/Log: 1st time cultivator fixin to grow sum mushrooms - lc syringe > rye grain in jars > unmodified mon... [Re: MushroomMommy]
    #28511076 - 10/19/23 08:46 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Really starting to show some signs of life now. Question for ya, did you modify your fruiting chamber to allow FAE or is that just an unmodified tub?


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Re: Grow Journal/Log: 1st time cultivator fixin to grow sum mushrooms - lc syringe > rye grain in jars > unmodified mon... [Re: Fungus Mountain] * 2
    #28511196 - 10/19/23 11:13 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Fungus Mountain said:
Really starting to show some signs of life now. Question for ya, did you modify your fruiting chamber to allow FAE or is that just an unmodified tub?



Thanks so much for swinging by my log. I’ve noticed a lot of logs don’t get attention if they’re not doing something outrageous or an old one from a TC. I am grateful to have you here.

Get ready for
✨🌈 over-sharing time 🌈 ✨
in 3, 2, 1.

I find myself in a near constant state of second guessing. Posting on a public forum, full of experts, has me fuckin spiraling.

I tend to start out projects with a hyper-focus on research until I’ve examined each possible way it could go. More often than not, I impulsively change something(s) part way through. I find it best for me to document the entire process to an extreme level, succeed or fail, then try again while planning to change only 1 variable that will actually be 5-6.

What makes mushroom Tek difficult is that some use weight others volume and some don’t measure anything meanwhile, everyone is trying to mirror one another’s results and scratching their heads why they’re all getting different outcomes. It’s chaotic AF, but also thrilling. Wild West Gardening with nearly instant gratification.

The only standardized materials that everyone seems to agree on are: pint/quart glass mason jars, the sterilite 66qt latched tote or the sterilite 54qt gasket latch tote, and/or the “shoebox” which most commonly seems to be a 6-16qt tote and no one is using a common brand.

Sorry, what was the question? My tubs? Unmodified.


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Re: Grow Journal/Log: 1st time cultivator fixin to grow sum mushrooms - lc syringe > rye grain in jars > unmodified monotub(s) [Re: MushroomMommy] * 1
    #28513341 - 10/21/23 06:13 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Grow Day 24:

Day 6 of 66qt monotub/Big Boy:
Took the lid off to get a couple of clear update photo and visually, he’s looking like he might be ready for fruiting conditions and introduction of FAE.


Some TEK that I’ve come across says colonization time is 10 days, but I don’t see the harm in doing it a little early. Especially given that most modern TEK says you do not need to differentiate between colonization and fruiting conditions and can introduce FAE as soon as you move into the monotub. The main reason I haven’t done it yet is because, as I mentioned before:
Quote:

MushroomMommy said:
The more I think about it, the more I just don’t love the idea of precariously balancing an unsecured, slip-n-slide lid with unfiltered/unscreened openings that offer direct access to my precious fruits! There might as well be a neon sign:
INSECT JAM 2K3
sponsored by CO2

fruit flies and mosquitos get in with no cover



Hygrometer claims 95% humidity with lids closed and 77% with the lid inverted to create small air gaps between the lid and lip of the bin. Remember though, I’m only really using the hygrometer for data and a loose, secondary opinion to superior visual cues.

I then lightly misted the surface per ComebackKid’s Identifying Proper Surface Moisture: When to Increase Fresh Air Exchange but am not getting it as wet as the photos.

Day 3 of 28qt mini monotub/The Girlfriend:
It has been 1 day since the panic smash/compression and things appear to be recovering more quickly than expected, already back to looking on track:


Grow Day 25:

Day 7of 66qt monotub/Big Boy:
Plan to introduce FAE today, but am not going to be doing the lid flip as originally planned (per BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil)).

After doing some more reading, I think I am going to ditch the idea of unmodified monotubs. Instead I will be carrying out a spin on PastyWhyte’s EZ Dialed Monotubs
I’ll be following the TEK exactly when it comes to 1/4” hole locations and numbers, but in my case, will need to filter the holes somehow—I’ve got a flying pest and other airborne contaminate concern in this house because of multiple pets and houseplants (in other rooms). Thinking I’ll just cover the holes with the 20mm Synthetic Filter stickers (.3 micron) I have from my grain jar lid mod.

While not ideal, I’m going to drill the 66qt bin with substrate in place. I will use packing tape to tape a sanitized second liner just above the substrate surface as a “catcher” for the plastic debris. I was going to try and lift the sub via liner out but, then imagined trying to lift a half-baked cake out of a cake pan and oof, it seems like a bad idea.

I plan to mark all holes with a sharpie first, drill a pilot hole in each, then use a 1/4” forstner bit to hopefully avoid cracking the plastic and make a clean hole.

Godspeed...me.


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Re: Grow Journal/Log: 1st time cultivator fixin to grow sum mushrooms - lc syringe > rye grain in jars > unmodified mon... [Re: MushroomMommy] * 1
    #28513349 - 10/21/23 06:23 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

What I did with my shoebox is, rather than lift it out possibly causing a calamity with my sub, I simply made my holes in a tub and placed the tub upside down over the shoebox. That way I was able to dial it in and not harm my sub in the process.
Hope this helps out.


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    #28513356 - 10/21/23 06:39 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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meta_mmxxii said:rather than lift it out possibly causing a calamity with my sub, I simply made my holes in a tub and placed the tub upside down over the shoebox



Wait like a dub tub? Oooo shit, that’d be too tall for my shelf and still would give me issues bc Im trying to avoid balancing things on top of the bin unsecured as I’m a nervous Nelly. 😅

Also, hiiiii thank you so much for taking the time to check out my log 😊


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Re: Grow Journal/Log: 1st time cultivator fixin to grow sum mushrooms - lc syringe > rye grain in jars > unmodified mon... [Re: MushroomMommy] * 1
    #28513368 - 10/21/23 06:45 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Yor welcome, I have been following since you first posted. You have come a long way Mommy, good job!
It doesn't have to be a big tub, just one that will dial things in for you. But sounds like you have a good grasp of things.


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Re: Grow Journal/Log: 1st time cultivator fixin to grow sum mushrooms - lc syringe > rye grain in jars > unmodified mon... [Re: meta_mmxxii]
    #28513370 - 10/21/23 06:47 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Yor welcome, I have been following since you first posted. You have come a long way Mommy, good job!
It doesn't have to be a big tub, just one that will dial things in for you. But sounds like you have a good grasp of things.




Hmm can you show me a photo? Heading to the garage now to do some test drilling in a similar plastic bin to see how much of a mess it makes


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Re: Grow Journal/Log: 1st time cultivator fixin to grow sum mushrooms - lc syringe > rye grain in jars > unmodified mon... [Re: MushroomMommy]
    #28513375 - 10/21/23 06:50 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

No I don't I have moved on from SB a while I am doing tubs now, sowwy.


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Re: Grow Journal/Log: 1st time cultivator fixin to grow sum mushrooms - lc syringe > rye grain in jars > unmodified mon... [Re: MushroomMommy]
    #28513391 - 10/21/23 07:09 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Hey, couple things from reading this thread. First off dope attitude and good on you for being hungry for knowledge :awesomenod:

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I DID however glove up, spray my hands with iso70 and 👏Compress. 👏That.👏Bitch. After which, I did a 🧚 barely there 💫 *spritz* of distilled water to, thoughtfully, counteract any moisture evap caused by latent iso from my glove.

Was this necessary? Was this a mistake?




If I'm understanding, you just compressed already-colonizing substrate? Tbh I don't know if this is harmful for the mycelium but I'm guessing it would hurt it enough to slow down the growth but probably not hamper the grow. Next time compress from the onset, that's sorta the point (not shitting on you).

That being said, what you could have done is what's called a casing layer. What you've done is called a "top layer"; a true casing layer is another layer added atop your substrate when it's nearing full colonization. Here's a somewhat old guide on how to do that from a great TC but I'm sure there's casing layers made from just coco+verm if you search. In your case I would have done nothing, let it ride, but if you REALLY wanted to do what you were aiming for a casing layer would have done the trick.

FWIW I've been doing the p9 style 1:5 heavily compressed sub and it's been killer.

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Wait like a dub tub?




If you're doing shoeboxes with a 1:2 ratio you don't even need to dub tub in most cases. The fruit will simply push the lid off as they grow taller and 99% ready to harvest when they're that size, they don't get much bigger at that ratio.

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Instead I will be doing a version of PastyWhyte’s EZ Dialed Monotubs following the TEK for 1/4” hole location, but will need to cover the holes.




Good choice. Bod's unmodded tubs are a harder to get dialed in because you have less knobs to turn, so to speak. With EZ dial you can cover the holes with tape or micropore tape to control airflow and get it dialed into your environment easier I've found.

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r the “shoebox” which most commonly seems to be 16qt storage tote




6 qt not 16 :wink:

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fruit flies and mosquitos get in with no cover charge.




Keep a clean room and you won't have to worry about this. Those things will get in anyways if they want.

Finally I hear you on the hygrometer but it truly won't help you make any meaningful discoveries about improving your flush as any reading above 90% is pretty meaningless. If you want to keep it around as a curiosity sure, but my two cents are that trying to learn/glean information from it may overcomplicate things for you. It truly is as simple as getting correct field capacity with your substrate and making sure the surface beads up when colonized.

Good luck dawggie
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    #28513406 - 10/21/23 07:26 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Jar filters might be a bit too restrictive.  I would suggest using micropore tape, although if you want to get fancy you can buy "tub filters" that are less restrictive.  You could also probably make something yourself if you were so inclined.

I would suggest trying a grow with standard size holes with micropore on them and see how it goes.  If you find out it needed more fae, you can increase the size of the holes and cover it again.

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Re: Grow Journal/Log: 1st time cultivator fixin to grow sum mushrooms - lc syringe > rye grain in jars > unmodified mon... [Re: Kinoko314]
    #28513422 - 10/21/23 07:39 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Kinoko314 said:You could also probably make something yourself if you were so inclined.




You've never had to stuff loose polyfil into your tub holes and it shows.

I'm jealous that shit sucked ass :lol:


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